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Gun control is a heated topic, especially from the recent events that happened in Las Vegas. Because of that event, there has been a push from the left for increased gun control. They say that if there was stricter gun control, this event could have been prevented. However, according to sources such as Kleck et.al, and Hsaio and Bernstein, gun control does not equate to reduced crime levels. In this post, I will prove that gun control does not work and why.

Gun control is not needed. According to Kleck et. al.’s data, they conclude that “The estimates found in Table 2 also indicate that most gun control measures appear to have no significant negative direct effect on total(gun plus nongun) violence rates…” (Kleck et. al.502). This indicates that unlike what is common belief from the left, gun control does not really reduce crime rates at all. In addition to this information Kleck states “Indeed, if statistical results are taken at face value, some laws appear to increase violence rates”(Kleck et. al. 502). This shows that even some of those laws increase violence rates. In Timothy Hsaio and C’zar Bernstein’s Against Moderate Gun Control, they affirm Kleck et. al.’s statistics; “Regarding (2), at least nineteen studies find that gun ownership does not increase homicide rates”(Hsaio and Bernstein, 316). Nineteen studies show a similar result to what Kleck’s data showed. In Young’s “Why the Gun Control Movement Fails”, he interviewed some families who lost their children to gun violence: “When I posed an open-ended question to the victims’ parents about why they thought these tragedies kept happening, not a single one mentioned guns”(Young). Even though these parents had one of the worst things that could ever happen to them, they did not say that there was a need for gun control. As shown from above, gun control does not solve the problems that it aims to.

Some argue,however, that gun control is still necessary and should be implemented. Charles W. Collier, a professor of law and philosophy at the University of Florida, says in his paper Gun Control in America: an Autopsy Report “For now, they seem satisfied that their personal probability of dying in a hail of gunfire is negligible or at least ‘acceptable,’ so long as it is only other people’s children who are dying”(Collier 86). That is rather extreme of Collier to say.Collier feels that Americans feel that “as long as any of my children or family don’t die, I don’t give a crap about what happens to anyone else”. That is absurd. The statistics that were provided by Kleck already show that limiting the possession of guns doesn’t mean that the likelihood of being shot any less. In fact, if there was someone who intended to harm you and/or others, wouldn’t you want a law abiding citizen that does have the conceal carry permit as well be able to stop the person?

In conclusion, these statistics including the nineteen studies show that gun control laws do not decrease gun violence.
 
Gun control is a heated topic, especially from the recent events that happened in Las Vegas. Because of that event, there has been a push from the left for increased gun control. They say that if there was stricter gun control, this event could have been prevented. However, according to sources such as Kleck et.al, and Hsaio and Bernstein, gun control does not equate to reduced crime levels. In this post, I will prove that gun control does not work and why.

Gun control is not needed. According to Kleck et. al.’s data, they conclude that “The estimates found in Table 2 also indicate that most gun control measures appear to have no significant negative direct effect on total(gun plus nongun) violence rates…” (Kleck et. al.502). This indicates that unlike what is common belief from the left, gun control does not really reduce crime rates at all. In addition to this information Kleck states “Indeed, if statistical results are taken at face value, some laws appear to increase violence rates”(Kleck et. al. 502). This shows that even some of those laws increase violence rates. In Timothy Hsaio and C’zar Bernstein’s Against Moderate Gun Control, they affirm Kleck et. al.’s statistics; “Regarding (2), at least nineteen studies find that gun ownership does not increase homicide rates”(Hsaio and Bernstein, 316). Nineteen studies show a similar result to what Kleck’s data showed. In Young’s “Why the Gun Control Movement Fails”, he interviewed some families who lost their children to gun violence: “When I posed an open-ended question to the victims’ parents about why they thought these tragedies kept happening, not a single one mentioned guns”(Young). Even though these parents had one of the worst things that could ever happen to them, they did not say that there was a need for gun control. As shown from above, gun control does not solve the problems that it aims to.

Some argue,however, that gun control is still necessary and should be implemented. Charles W. Collier, a professor of law and philosophy at the University of Florida, says in his paper Gun Control in America: an Autopsy Report “For now, they seem satisfied that their personal probability of dying in a hail of gunfire is negligible or at least ‘acceptable,’ so long as it is only other people’s children who are dying”(Collier 86). That is rather extreme of Collier to say.Collier feels that Americans feel that “as long as any of my children or family don’t die, I don’t give a crap about what happens to anyone else”. That is absurd. The statistics that were provided by Kleck already show that limiting the possession of guns doesn’t mean that the likelihood of being shot any less. In fact, if there was someone who intended to harm you and/or others, wouldn’t you want a law abiding citizen that does have the conceal carry permit as well be able to stop the person?

In conclusion, these statistics including the nineteen studies show that gun control laws do not decrease gun violence.

the vast majority of politicians and members of the public who push gun control know it won't decrease crime and there are other reasons why the push it.
 
~"We need COMMON SENSE gun legislation"

Ironic the vast majority of pro gun control people who scream the loudest for what they call "common sense" gun laws, are the same people who don't know what laws are already on the books both local, and federal. Don't know what the actual process of purchasing a firearm entails. Have never touched let alone fired a gun. How much actual common sense is involved in their demand for more laws?

Law makers in the state of Illinois's general assembly recently convened to discuss possible banning bump fire stocks on the state level. There was one Republican lawmaker who was supportive of banning the stocks but expressed opposition for the language that would have banned parts, or combination of parts. Little did she realize that to ban a semi autos ability to be bump fired would require her to ban all semi autos that can be bump fired.

You want to END gun violence in America? Stop calling the acts of homicidal individuals "gun violence"! Stop giving this individuals fame when they go out and do this kind of crap. Stop treating the symptom, and not the actual illness!
 
Hmmmmmmmmmmm... I'm a leftist... I want to help decrease overall gun violence... I hear about many people getting instantly "slaughtered" with a semi-auto, so I now want a ban on all semi-autos, even though (if one COULD somehow take away every semi-auto in the country, and assuming that somehow nobody would find a way to acquire one...) they only account for ~3% of all firearm related homicides (which ignores the other ~97% of firearm related homicides) ...

Does this come across to anyone as sound logic for decreasing overall gun violence?? ...
 
And why target the vast majority of people who are responsible gun owners because of the actions of a very small minority of people...
 
And why target the vast majority of people who are responsible gun owners because of the actions of a very small minority of people...

because the real purpose of gun control is to punish those who vote with the NRA and against the liberal gun banners who use gun control as a fraudulent scheme to pretend they are doing something to actually impede real criminals
 
the vast majority of politicians and members of the public who push gun control know it won't decrease crime and there are other reasons why the push it.

THAT is a lie outright and cannot be proven to being even close to the truth.
 
THAT is a lie outright and cannot be proven to being even close to the truth.

so you are claiming most who push it are not dishonest but rather stupid and/or ignorant?

that works for me but you, as usual, are wrong. The average low wattage slow witted voter who reflexively supports gun control in polls (usually responding positively to loaded questions such as "do you support background checks that WILL KEEP CRIMINALS FROM BUYING GUNS") probably guesses that gun control does control criminals. But the pimps in office, Like Feinswine and Schumer know better. Same with the avid gun hating posters on this, and other boards. most of them have been unable to hide their real motives which are about political paybacks or spreading the misery
 
THAT is a lie outright and cannot be proven to being even close to the truth.

He has never been able to present any evidence for that statement....but that does not stop him from saying it
 
Gun control is a heated topic, especially from the recent events that happened in Las Vegas. Because of that event, there has been a push from the left for increased gun control. They say that if there was stricter gun control, this event could have been prevented. However, according to sources such as Kleck et.al, and Hsaio and Bernstein, gun control does not equate to reduced crime levels. In this post, I will prove that gun control does not work and why.

Gun control is not needed. According to Kleck et. al.’s data, they conclude that “The estimates found in Table 2 also indicate that most gun control measures appear to have no significant negative direct effect on total(gun plus nongun) violence rates…” (Kleck et. al.502). This indicates that unlike what is common belief from the left, gun control does not really reduce crime rates at all. In addition to this information Kleck states “Indeed, if statistical results are taken at face value, some laws appear to increase violence rates”(Kleck et. al. 502). This shows that even some of those laws increase violence rates. In Timothy Hsaio and C’zar Bernstein’s Against Moderate Gun Control, they affirm Kleck et. al.’s statistics; “Regarding (2), at least nineteen studies find that gun ownership does not increase homicide rates”(Hsaio and Bernstein, 316). Nineteen studies show a similar result to what Kleck’s data showed. In Young’s “Why the Gun Control Movement Fails”, he interviewed some families who lost their children to gun violence: “When I posed an open-ended question to the victims’ parents about why they thought these tragedies kept happening, not a single one mentioned guns”(Young). Even though these parents had one of the worst things that could ever happen to them, they did not say that there was a need for gun control. As shown from above, gun control does not solve the problems that it aims to.

Some argue,however, that gun control is still necessary and should be implemented. Charles W. Collier, a professor of law and philosophy at the University of Florida, says in his paper Gun Control in America: an Autopsy Report “For now, they seem satisfied that their personal probability of dying in a hail of gunfire is negligible or at least ‘acceptable,’ so long as it is only other people’s children who are dying”(Collier 86). That is rather extreme of Collier to say.Collier feels that Americans feel that “as long as any of my children or family don’t die, I don’t give a crap about what happens to anyone else”. That is absurd. The statistics that were provided by Kleck already show that limiting the possession of guns doesn’t mean that the likelihood of being shot any less. In fact, if there was someone who intended to harm you and/or others, wouldn’t you want a law abiding citizen that does have the conceal carry permit as well be able to stop the person?

In conclusion, these statistics including the nineteen studies show that gun control laws do not decrease gun violence.

There is a great deal of research collected by Harvard medical school which shows gun control can reduce all kinds of gun violence
 
And yet another shooting being reported. This one in a church in TX.
 
He has never been able to present any evidence for that statement....but that does not stop him from saying it

He cannot present any evidence for a lot of the things he says, but he says them anyway in the hopes that his people will believe him: that's how propaganda works. They guy is an NRA operative.
 
There is a great deal of research collected by Harvard medical school which shows gun control can reduce all kinds of gun violence

that is based on all sorts of assumptions and they never actually tell us what specific gun control law will actually decrease crime. Certainly not crap like background checks or licenses. and you have been rather reticent to tell us what specific additional restrictions you support that will actually decrease crime
 
He cannot present any evidence for a lot of the things he says, but he says them anyway in the hopes that his people will believe him: that's how propaganda works. They guy is an NRA operative.

I guess that makes you a operative for the VPC or other gun banning groups. The NRA is way too soft for me to work for them these days
 
There is a great deal of research collected by Harvard medical school which shows gun control can reduce all kinds of gun violence

I was not aware of the research conducted by Harvard. If you would be willing to, could you send a link to their studies so that I can look at it myself?
 
And why target the vast majority of people who are responsible gun owners because of the actions of a very small minority of people...

I agree. Why should people who go through the proper channels and take the time to own a gun legally be punished?
 
I was not aware of the research conducted by Harvard. If you would be willing to, could you send a link to their studies so that I can look at it myself?

its conducted by a guy named Hemenway who is an economist whose research is mainly bankrolled by Soros and other hard core gun banning sources. His main insinuation is that if there are no guns less people would be shot. its about that level of usefulness
 
I agree. Why should people who go through the proper channels and take the time to own a gun legally be punished?

because so many of those who push gun control are leftwing operatives and their goal is to punish and then try to bleed off members of pro gun organizations (that almost never vote for leftwing politicians)
 
its conducted by a guy named Hemenway who is an economist whose research is mainly bankrolled by Soros and other hard core gun banning sources. His main insinuation is that if there are no guns less people would be shot. its about that level of usefulness

It is a compilation of studies done by many different people all peer reviewed and approved by Harvard Medical School which is arguably the finest school in the world.

You are wrong again
 
because so many of those who push gun control are leftwing operatives and their goal is to punish and then try to bleed off members of pro gun organizations (that almost never vote for leftwing politicians)

This is total nonsense. its laughable
 
This is total nonsense. its laughable

hmm, who did you vote for in the 2016 presidential election? who did the brady bunch endorse? it wasn't Trump
 
He cannot present any evidence for a lot of the things he says, but he says them anyway in the hopes that his people will believe him: that's how propaganda works. They guy is an NRA operative.

He has these paranoid claims of left wing Marxist plots that is almost certifiable
 
hmm, who did you vote for in the 2016 presidential election? who did the brady bunch endorse? it wasn't Trump

This left wing conspiracy belongs on the CT thread. It is laughable
 
And yet another shooting being reported. This one in a church in TX.

A guy who illegally had a gun and stopped by....a former NRA instructor......without shoes.


Not sure why but the shoeless part seems to make his actions even more impressive.
 
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