Gun control is damn near the equivalent of car control

[Artymoon]

I never said that. Why lie so obviously?

From what I've seen in a short span, I believe Brad to be a close cousin to Rich.

 

[Spock]

They have obliterated your arguments. I have no idea why you're running a victory lap.

I know why. Firearm promoters cannot see beyond the end of their gun.
Firearms produce far more damage than benefit to American society. Fact.
100,000 casualties and 500 billion dollars in cost yearly.

 

[RF667799]

No. Equivalent would be the comparison between substantially similar devices or issue.

Yes. Easy access of an item the use of which can result in injury. Compared to even easier access of an item the use of which can result in injury.

False equivalence feigns a similarity by extracting ONE feature for comparison. Most people understand the difference between a firearm and a motor vehicle in terms of risk, utility, construction, users, life span, operation, licensing, registration, function and purpose.

The "derp cars have WHEELS" objection doesn't work. You've given no reason the comparison as stated is invalid. Only claimed that is.

The same way that all behaviors are regulated between individuals in a society.

Yes? How is that?

Compare deaths from the highly used motor vehicles to the rarely used firearms for a real estimate of risk.

Firearms are rarely used?

Then since harmful uses are such a small fraction of all uses, harmful uses are extremely rare.

 

[RF667799]

I know why. Firearm promoters cannot see beyond the end of their gun.
Firearms produce far more damage than benefit to American society. Fact.
100,000 casualties and 500 billion dollars in cost yearly.

Not a fact. An unsupported assertion.

 

[The Brad Dad]

I know why. Firearm promoters cannot see beyond the end of their gun.
Firearms produce far more damage than benefit to American society. Fact.
100,000 casualties and 500 billion dollars in cost yearly.

It is beyond obvious that guns have been a detriment to our society as we've evolved into a nation of 350m. They keep saying stuff like "gun safe zones don't work". We know guns don't work. The frequency of shootings has increased while the availability of guns has also increased. It seems adding more guns just creates more victims, which makes sense. What happens when you flood communities with something like fentanyl? Same with guns. We have too many broken men in this country that think the weapon is an extension of themselves.

 

[ataraxia]

Not a fact. An unsupported assertion.

So what are the actual numbers?

 

[RF667799]

So you think patience is important, yet somehow patience for a criminal background check on potential terrorist and murderers before they buy shockingly efficient murder weapons anywhere is too inconvenient for you, I see.

Where did you see that? I regularly advocate for criminal background checks as a requirement for possession of guns and motor vehicles.

Why lie?

And who said anything about murder? I just roar my engine a little bit, and then push through the crowd. It’s not a crime to bump up against them a little bit here and there. I always find it amusing how fast the little old people on walkers and with canes can really go when you do that.

Not a crime? Bet it is.

 

[RF667799]

So what are the actual numbers?

It's his assertion.

 

[ataraxia]

Only if exercising such right violates another's right.
Firearms are the most restricted right I can think of.

Motor vehicles have far more regulations on their manufacture, sale, and use.

Are you saying firearms are not at least as potentially hazardous a piece of equipment?

 

[ataraxia]

Where did you see that? I regularly advocate for criminal background checks as a requirement for possession of guns and motor vehicles.

Why lie?



Not a crime? Bet it is.

Show me a statute that says you can't slowly start to push your way in your car through a crowded intersection? Or roar my engine while doing so? Sheesh. Thank God it's a free country.

 

[L88]

Motor vehicles have far more regulations on their manufacture, sale, and use.

Maybe, got a stat? Some publications say there are over 20000 firearms laws.

Are you saying firearms are not at least as potentially hazardous a piece of equipment?

Where did I say that?

 

[RF667799]

Show me a statute that says you can't slowly start to push your way in your car through a crowded intersection? Or roar my engine while doing so? Sheesh. Thank God it's a free country.

What happened to the part about deliberately bumping into the people with your car?

 

[L88]

Are the Progs going to allow stop and search to find illegally possessed firearms?

 

[ataraxia]

Maybe, got a stat? Some publications say there are over 20000 firearms laws.

Where did I say that?

Are you OK with all these regulations and infringements on your right to arms?

Why not get rid of them all and just enforce murder laws first?

 

[RF667799]

Motor vehicles have far more regulations on their manufacture, sale, and use.

Firearms require a criminal background check for their commercial sale, but not private sales in some cases. Motor vehicles have no such requirement at all.

I would rectify that.

Are you saying firearms are not at least as potentially hazardous a piece of equipment?

 

[ataraxia]

What happened to the part about deliberately bumping into the people with your car?

Where did I say "deliberately"? Why do you make stuff up?

 

[RF667799]

Are the Progs going to allow stop and search to find illegally possessed firearms?

Some of the anti-gun posters here have advocated unannounced police entry into your home to inspect your firearms. I don't see why stop and search should bother them.

 

[L88]

Are you OK with all these regulations and infringements on your right to arms?

Why not get rid of them all and just enforce murder laws first?

I can live with things the way they are. Except I would like to see full enforcement and no plea bargaining for any firearm violation.
How 'bout Stop and Search for weapons? That would cut down all crime right away.

 

[ataraxia]

Firearms require a criminal background check for their commercial sale, but not private sales in some cases. Motor vehicles have no such requirement at all.

So firearms don't have rear view mirror and turn signal requirements. Do you think we should have the same regulations on both if we are going to have any regulations at all?

 

[The Brad Dad]

Are the Progs going to allow stop and search to find illegally possessed firearms?

Why would we if we're against it now? What would have changed?

 

[RF667799]

Where did I say "deliberately"? Why do you make stuff up?

I just roar my engine a little bit, and then push through the crowd. It’s not a crime to bump up against them a little bit here and there.

 

[The Brad Dad]

Firearms require a criminal background check for their commercial sale, but not private sales in some cases. Motor vehicles have no such requirement at all.

I would rectify that.

Motor vehicles aren't designed to murder people.

 

[The Brad Dad]

Where did I say "deliberately"? Why do you make stuff up?

Because a long time ago some of them convinced themselves this is what debate looks like. Too many of the Limbaugh generation never understood how to effectively argue a position.

 

[L88]

From what I've seen in a short span, I believe Brad to be a close cousin to Rich.

I just put him on ignore a few minutes ago. He had nothing to add of any substance; he was only looking to insult. It's so much nicer in just the last few minutes.

 

[ataraxia]

I can live with things the way they are.

Well most Americans can't. Heck even most gun owners can't.

Who’s Driving Gun Policy? | Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health

A dedicated and vocal group is leading the opposition to common-sense gun policy.

publichealth.jhu.edu

Most Gun Owners Support Stricter Laws—Even NRA Members

Even NRA members

time.com

But let's first make it clear this is not about infringement on your rights, or some unlimited supposed right you have to haul around any crazy weapon you want on the street.