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I was born in 1934.....the average life expectency in this country for a white male was 61. I saw the nation in crumbles and saw FDR save it. Now....after Bush and his henchmen have all but destroyed the middle class Obama is on the job. It took FDR eight years and a world war to straighten up after that Hoover and bank crisis. It could take even longer for this one. You know what is better this time.....folks are getting wiser every day. The old Republican party is history.

As I understood it the 'middle class declination meme' started with Reagan, trickle down, etc. Are you changing it to the 'it's Bush's fault meme' now?

As to the 'old Republican party is history', thanks for answering my previous question concerning this meme...
 
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Oh I've never failed to see the results of Republican gerrymandering. You won five house seats where the Democrats got more votes than you did. Republican governors have bragged about losing the House popular vote by 1.1 Million votes, but retaining control.

The saddest thing is that the Republican governors in those states have begun a campaign to make the same gerrymandering rules apply to the presidential elections. You call that anything you like but I call it cheating.

What on earth are you talking about??

How about a credible link that will translate your words into something I can understand?
 
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As I understood it the 'middle class declination meme' started with Reagan, trickle down, etc. Are you changing it to the 'it's Bush's fault meme' now?

As to the 'old Republican party is history', thanks for answering my previous question concerning this meme...

Not that I expect you to even look at it but here is the whole story:

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..............................ANNUAL INTEREST/NATIONAL DEBT................................
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Total U S Debt


09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accomodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38(Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00
 
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Not that I expect you to even look at it but here is the whole story:

That is hardly the whole story, dude, since all but one of those graphics don't address the Obama era.

What's the matter? Don't want to reveal HIS numbers?
 
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Not that I expect you to even look at it but here is the whole story:

Yeah, I've noticed that once cornered you retreat in to retreading this same data...kinda has become YOUR meme. Note that I questioned your assertion that this was 'after Bush and his henchmen have all but destroyed the middle class' then you produce YOUR meme that includes data that extends back to the 70's-80's...Here, I'll repost some data that you have yet to respond to:

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Calculate Clinton-Obama interest 1.webp
Calculate Clinton-Obama interest 1a.webp

WOW, lookie there...Clinton/Obama are responsible for $6.6t of the ~$16t debt. Sure doesn't appear that this equates to the 20% (balance of 80% you claim is Reagan/Bushes)...And considering that Reagan/Bushes held office for 20yrs and Clinton/Obama have for 13yrs the debt parity reasonably appears equal...
 
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That is hardly the whole story, dude, since all but one of those graphics don't address the Obama era.

What's the matter? Don't want to reveal HIS numbers?

mjinequality.jpg
uneven-distribution-of-income-growth.jpg


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..............................ANNUAL INTEREST/NATIONAL DEBT................................
RP_10_16_12.png


Total U S Debt


09/30/2009 $11,909,829,003,511.75(80% Of All Debt Across 232 Years Borrowed By Reagan And Bushes)

09/30/2008 $10,024,724,896,912.49(Times Square Debt Clock Modified To Accomodate Tens of Trillions)

09/30/2007 $9,007,653,372,262.48
09/30/2006 $8,506,973,899,215.23
09/30/2005 $7,932,709,661,723.50
09/30/2004 $7,379,052,696,330.32

09/30/2003 $6,783,231,062,743.62(Second Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2002 $6,228,235,965,597.16

09/30/2001 $5,807,463,412,200.06(First Bush Tax Cuts Enacted Using Reconciliation)


09/30/2000 $5,674,178,209,886.86(Administration And Congress Arguing About How To Use Surplus)

09/30/1999 $5,656,270,901,615.43(First Surplus Generated...On Track To Pay Off Debt By 2012)

09/30/1998 $5,526,193,008,897.62
09/30/1997 $5,413,146,011,397.34
09/30/1996 $5,224,810,939,135.73
09/29/1995 $4,973,982,900,709.39
09/30/1994 $4,692,749,910,013.32

09/30/1993 $4,411,488,883,139.38(Debt Quadrupled By Reagan/Bush41)

09/30/1992 $4,064,620,655,521.66
09/30/1991 $3,665,303,351,697.03
09/28/1990 $3,233,313,451,777.25
09/29/1989 $2,857,430,960,187.32
09/30/1988 $2,602,337,712,041.16
09/30/1987 $2,350,276,890,953.00
09/30/1986 $2,125,302,616,658.42
09/30/1985 $1,823,103,000,000.00
09/30/1984 $1,572,266,000,000.00
09/30/1983 $1,377,210,000,000.00

09/30/1982 $1,142,034,000,000.00(Total Debt Passes $1 Trillion)

09/30/1981 $997,855,000,000.00

It is the whole story, Reagan slashed tax rates to the lowest they had been in over forty years, never cut spending a dime, for the first time in our nation's history added trillions to the national debt. Clinton immediately raised taxes, created 22 million new jobs and balanced the budget. With surpluses and a path to completely pay off the entire debt in 12 years Bush cut taxes twice, 2001 and 2003, increased all his spending and doubled the debt from $5.7 trillion to nearly $12 trillion. When Obama took over the first interest payment he had to make was nearly half a trillion dollars. One thing I've learned about Republicans since the party left me is that they're not good at numbers.....either that or they can't read.
 
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...When Obama took over the first interest payment he had to make was nearly half a trillion dollars...

Yep, that's quite true...and whomever takes over after President Obama their first interest payment will be nearly three quarters of a trillion (table 3.2)...http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2013/assets/hist03z2.xls

SURE hoping it's a Democrat but I'm guessing it will still be Reagan/Bush's fault also...:roll:
 
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Yeah, I've noticed that once cornered you retreat in to retreading this same data...kinda has become YOUR meme. Note that I questioned your assertion that this was 'after Bush and his henchmen have all but destroyed the middle class' then you produce YOUR meme that includes data that extends back to the 70's-80's...Here, I'll repost some data that you have yet to respond to:

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WOW, lookie there...Clinton/Obama are responsible for $6.6t of the ~$16t debt. Sure doesn't appear that this equates to the 20% (balance of 80% you claim is Reagan/Bushes)...And considering that Reagan/Bushes held office for 20yrs and Clinton/Obama have for 13yrs the debt parity reasonably appears equal...

01/21/2009 10,625,053,544,309.79 This was the debt Bush left.

Obama took over a disaster in more than one. The Reagan/Bushes debt left half a trillion dollar interest payments that had to be paid each year. You didn't think communist chinese banks were loaning that money for their health did you?
 
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01/21/2009 10,625,053,544,309.79 This was the debt Bush left.

Obama took over a disaster in more than one. The Reagan/Bushes debt left half a trillion dollar interest payments that had to be paid each year. You didn't think communist chinese banks were loaning that money for their health did you?

Yep, that's quite true...and whomever takes over after President Obama their first interest payment will be nearly three quarters of a trillion (table 3.2)...http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa...s/hist03z2.xls

SURE hoping it's a Democrat but I'm guessing it will still be Reagan/Bush's fault also...
 
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It is the whole story, Reagan slashed tax rates to the lowest they had been in over forty years, never cut spending a dime, for the first time in our nation's history added trillions to the national debt...With surpluses and a path to completely pay off the entire debt in 12 years Bush cut taxes twice, 2001 and 2003, increased all his spending and doubled the debt from $5.7 trillion to nearly $12 trillion...

So Reagan and the Bushes jacked up this debt and this is a problem? Generally you need to catch up with the current meme from ‘your side’ (et al)…
“We don’t have an immediate crisis in terms of debt,” President Obama said in an exclusive interview with George Stephanopoulos for “Good Morning America.” “In fact, for the next 10 years, it’s gonna be in a sustainable place.”
President Obama: There Is No Debt Crisis - ABC News

VANDEN HEUVEL: Certainly not the sequester. So I think part of the problem we're having, George, is the fundamental assumptions overriding this entire discussion. Senator Murray said that we have a big debt and deficit problem -- no, we don't. We have a big public investment and jobs problem.
Vanden Heuvel: We Don't Have a Debt Problem - We Have a Public Investment and Jobs Problem | Video Cafe

"We don't have a Huge Debt problem -- we have a Huge Tax Haven problem."
Daily Kos: We don't have a Huge Debt problem -- we have a Huge Tax Haven problem
The Congressional Budget Office supports the view that there is no immediate crisis, noting that debt as a percentage of GDP is projected to remain relatively stable over the next 10 years.
Media's Heavy Focus On Nonexistent Debt Crisis Ignores Economic Reality | Blog | Media Matters for America

Whose side are YOU on?
 
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It is the whole story, Reagan slashed tax rates to the lowest they had been in over forty years, never cut spending a dime, for the first time in our nation's history added trillions to the national debt. Clinton immediately raised taxes, created 22 million new jobs and balanced the budget. With surpluses and a path to completely pay off the entire debt in 12 years Bush cut taxes twice, 2001 and 2003, increased all his spending and doubled the debt from $5.7 trillion to nearly $12 trillion. When Obama took over the first interest payment he had to make was nearly half a trillion dollars. One thing I've learned about Republicans since the party left me is that they're not good at numbers.....either that or they can't read.

You really have a myopic view on things, don't you? You DO realize that Congress has a part to play in all that, right? I suggest you factor in that fact...then get back to me.
 
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01/21/2009 10,625,053,544,309.79 This was the debt Bush left...

And I’m guessing that $1.396t in debt and the associated $986b interest SPECIFICALLY on Clinton’s debt (previously substantiated), incidentally 22% of your $10,625t number, was not included in that which Obama inherited?
 
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Absolutely amazing. When you're looking at
a live feed you think it's slanted? The Fox News network will ultimately be responsible for the total demise of the Republican party. It seems to me that when their whole staff predicted a landslide for Romney people would begin to catch on.

OBAMA......332
ROMNEY....206

Considering the facts that withing a decade or so Whites will be a minoirty in America and that the only two demographics Romney carried were White men and voters over 65.....Oh Well It ain't rocket science.....folks over 65 are dying 100 times faster than college students.

It sounds like your'e calling all non-whites morons.

What makes you think that a NON-WHITE majority would continue to support Liberal Democrats after the miserable failure of Obama ?
 
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SURE hoping it's a Democrat but I'm guessing it will still be Reagan/Bush's fault also...

didn't you know, the democrats found a way to blame the Great Chicago Fire and the sinking of the Titanic on Reagan/Bush. Blaming them for any future deficit will be a piece of cake!
 
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Yep, that's quite true...and whomever takes over after President Obama their first interest payment will be nearly three quarters of a trillion (table 3.2)...http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa...s/hist03z2.xls

SURE hoping it's a Democrat but I'm guessing it will still be Reagan/Bush's fault also...

I'm 78 years old. I was a Republican for the first thirty years of my adult life. I voted for Ike and Goldwater, Nixon three times. I voted for Reagan one time but I wish I could take it back The party used to stand for balanced budgets, small government and individual liberty. Ever since Reagan slashed tax rates to the lowest they had been in more than forty years and began to borrow to cover the shortfall the rich have gotten richer and the middle class is gone. Neither party has ever cut spending but at least the Democrats used to keep taxes at a level where they could pay for things. The Republicans changed all that beginning with Reagan. I wouldn't consider voting for another Republican in a national election if hell freezes over.......metaphorically speaking of course.

As far as another Repubublican president.........you've lost the popular vote in five of the last six presidential elections. I'd say hope in one hand and spit in the other and see which one get's full first.
 
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I'm 78 years old. I was a Republican for the first thirty years of my adult life. I voted for Ike and Goldwater, Nixon three times. I voted for Reagan one time but I wish I could take it back The party used to stand for balanced budgets, small government and individual liberty. Ever since Reagan slashed tax rates to the lowest they had been in more than forty years and began to borrow to cover the shortfall the rich have gotten richer and the middle class is gone. Neither party has ever cut spending but at least the Democrats used to keep taxes at a level where they could pay for things. The Republicans changed all that beginning with Reagan. I wouldn't consider voting for another Republican in a national election if hell freezes over.......metaphorically speaking of course.

As far as another Repubublican president.........you've lost the popular vote in five of the last six presidential elections. I'd say hope in one hand and spit in the other and see which one get's full first.

Okay....so? I wonder how many times you are going to tell us this stuff? Hmmm?

Look, everyone has their opinion. Yours happens to be based on incomplete data, but hey...so it goes. But do you have to keep repeating yourself?
 
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Okay....so? I wonder how many times you are going to tell us this stuff? Hmmm?

Look, everyone has their opinion. Yours happens to be based on incomplete data, but hey...so it goes. But do you have to keep repeating yourself?

God, now he will post his charts for the 6 zillionth time.

He only has a few responses for every question you could possibly ask. It's either the charts or the Republicans got less popular vote 5 of the past 6 elections or it right wingers sending jobs overseas or Go Union. You could ask him if peanut butter tasted good with chocolate and chances are high you'd get one of those answers.
 
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Okay....so? I wonder how many times you are going to tell us this stuff? Hmmm?

Look, everyone has their opinion. Yours happens to be based on incomplete data, but hey...so it goes. But do you have to keep repeating yourself?

Incomplete data???

The figures prove that things were in good shape and we had a middle class when Reagan slashed tax rates then borrowed trillions to cover the shortfall. The figures prove that Bill Clinton raised taxes, balanced the budget and generated a surplus. The figures prove that as soon as George Bush took over in 2001 he cut taxes twice using reconciliation to block Democrat opposition, started two unfunded wars and doubled the debt again. My godamitey man what are you possibly thinking?
 
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01/21/2009
10,625,053,544,309.79 This was the debt Bush left.

Obama took over a disaster in more than one. The Reagan/Bushes debt left half a trillion dollar interest payments that had to be paid each year. You didn't think communist chinese banks were loaning that money for their health did you?

The Chinese buy our bonds because they have to, not because they want to.

It's the main reason why Obama won't tackle the massive trade imbalance as the Chinese try to lower the value of their currency.

Shore up the trade gap and they stop buying our falsely inflated bonds.
 
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Incomplete data???


The figures prove that things were in good shape and we had a middle class when Reagan slashed tax rates then borrowed trillions to cover the shortfall. The figures prove that Bill Clinton raised taxes, balanced the budget and generated a surplus. The figures prove that as soon as George Bush took over in 2001 he cut taxes twice using reconciliation to block Democrat opposition, started two unfunded wars and doubled the debt again. My godamitey man what are you possibly thinking?

The Republican Congress balanced the budget after Clinton threw a hissy fit refusing 5 times to sign tje damn thing and Clinton lowered Capital Gaines Taxes.
 
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Incomplete data???

The figures prove that things were in good shape and we had a middle class when Reagan slashed tax rates then borrowed trillions to cover the shortfall. The figures prove that Bill Clinton raised taxes, balanced the budget and generated a surplus. The figures prove that as soon as George Bush took over in 2001 he cut taxes twice using reconciliation to block Democrat opposition, started two unfunded wars and doubled the debt again. My godamitey man what are you possibly thinking?

Your figures don't tell the whole story, so yes...incomplete data.

Look, I've already told you to integrate Congressional action with your data to get a more complete picture. Do that and get back to me.
 
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The Chinese buy our bonds because they have to, not because they want to.

It's the main reason why Obama won't tackle the massive trade imbalance as the Chinese try to lower the value of their currency.

Shore up the trade gap and they stop buying our falsely inflated bonds.

Number one....no president had ever borrowed a dime from China till George W. Bush. I think when a man takes over a balanced budget with surpluses being generated in amounts to completely pay off the national debt, cuts tax rates and starts two unfunded wars.....one totally unnecessary he needs his cowboy brain examined.

Number two......there was no debt problem till Reagan came aboard with his tax breaks for the wealthy and "Voodoo Economics"

You remember "Trickle Down" don't you..........that warm urine running down the backs of ordinary Americans.

Whether you do or not the ordinary Americans have caught onto your schemes and gimmicls and I predict you've won your last presidency. When they caught Mitt Romney telling his high dollar donors that nearly half of America thought they were entitled and that they were takers........that just about burst your high dollar balloon. What was that ol' Abe said about fooling all of the people, all of the time? If memory serves he said you can't!
 
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I'm 78 years old. I was a Republican for the first thirty years of my adult life. I voted for Ike and Goldwater, Nixon three times. I voted for Reagan one time but I wish I could take it back The party used to stand for balanced budgets, small government and individual liberty. Ever since Reagan slashed tax rates to the lowest they had been in more than forty years and began to borrow to cover the shortfall the rich have gotten richer and the middle class is gone. Neither party has ever cut spending but at least the Democrats used to keep taxes at a level where they could pay for things. The Republicans changed all that beginning with Reagan. I wouldn't consider voting for another Republican in a national election if hell freezes over.......metaphorically speaking of course.

As far as another Repubublican president.........you've lost the popular vote in five of the last six presidential elections. I'd say hope in one hand and spit in the other and see which one get's full first.
Quite interesting…it was Reagan’s fault…but a few pages back it was Bush’s fault…

…Now....after Bush and his henchmen have all but destroyed the middle class Obama is on the job...

Dude…make up your mind (queue the graphs).

OH, and the 78 year old bit…quite comical as I know of NO OTHER adult who would make a come back like this one:
... I was right. Let's see your link to Fox....I showed you mine...

It’s amazing how ANYONE can be ANYTHING on the internet…carry on
 
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Number one....no president had ever
borrowed a dime from China till George W. Bush. I think when a man takes over a balanced budget with surpluses being generated in amounts to completely pay off the national debt, cuts tax rates and starts two unfunded wars.....one totally unnecessary he needs his cowboy brain examined.

Number two......there was no debt problem till Reagan came aboard with his tax breaks for the wealthy and "Voodoo Economics"

Only a Lib could claim " surplus" with a rising debt.

Unbelievable.

I would rather have supply side economics any day over Obama's massive debt, deficit spending and the Central Banks endless pumping.

Obama's set new standards for failure, spending and accounting tricks..

A Republican President never openly blamed his predecessor for his failings.

A Republican President never spent 900 billion in one quarter and called it " growth".

A Republican President never spent nearly 6 trillion in 4 years and claimed he lowered the deficit.

And a Republican President never claimed job creation when 9 million jibs had dissapeared from the labir pool.

Face it, you guys screwed milions of hard working American Families by electing the least qualified guy in Washington, because the media told you to.
 
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