Graham gives Pelosi ultimatum, proposes Senate rule change to remove her from impeachment process

[trouble13]

That isn't whats being claimed at all. They are arguing that the Senate can't start a trial until they send the Articles to them. Apparently, according to Mitch McConnell, they are right.

The only way for that to be true is if he isn't offically impeached yet. If he is impeached then its up to the senate how they want to proceed

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[bullseyelqcs]

The only way for that to be true is if he isn't offically impeached yet. If he is impeached then its up to the senate how they want to proceed

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The Senate Majority Leader disagrees with you and Lindsey Graham. Take it up with him.

 

[trouble13]

The Senate Majority Leader disagrees with you and Lindsey Graham. Take it up with him.

I dont need to take it up with anyone. I dont care either way.

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[bullseyelqcs]

I dont need to take it up with anyone. I dont care either way.

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Then why so worked up?

 

[Nickyjo]

Pelosi needs to **** or get off the pot. She should pull her 2020 candidates off the campaign trail, or the GOP should shut this farce down and dismiss.

And you have no trouble with the guy who is supposed to promote an impartial assessment of the facts not revealing the process so that Pelosi can name an appropriate team to argue the House’s case, and saying he will coordinate the trial with the defendant. The GOP leadership that is making a farce of this, having announced the verdict before the trial.

 

[trouble13]

Then why so worked up?

Im not worked up. I find the discussion interesting is all.
I have no idea if the Senate can vote on something passed in the house before its sent to them. Its a very nuianced argument over semantics and it ties into if Trump is impeached yet or not.

As i said earlier, it was a clever of Graham to make this argument. Ultimately if they pursue it and the Democrats challenge it, a court will need to intervene.

Imo, if Trump is officially impeached then its now up to the Senate what comes next. If he isnt offically impeached, the house csn continue to delay it until they next congress is sworn in. That would raise a new question if it goes on that long. I think it would require a new vote at that point.

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[trouble13]

And you have no trouble with the guy who is supposed to promote an impartial assessment of the facts not revealing the process so that Pelosi can name an appropriate team to argue the House’s case, and saying he will coordinate the trial with the defendant. The GOP leadership that is making a farce of this, having announced the verdict before the trial.

Demovrats made sure it was a farce from the onset, why feign concern over that now?

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[ludin]

Pelosi needs to **** or get off the pot. She should pull her 2020 candidates off the campaign trail, or the GOP should shut this farce down and dismiss.

Yep i saw this coming. They can very much do this and basically they can give her a week to send them over and if not start the trial without a prosecution.
happens in court all the time.

 

[ludin]

Show us all where in the Constitution that it says that there is an established time frame or deadline for forwarding Articles of Impeachment to the Senate.
If you cannot find a specific reference to a deadline, it's because the framers did not include it, and Graham's proposed rule change will be ruled unconstitutional for that very reason.

Show us in the constitution where he can't change the rules? ol yea you can't because the framers did not include it.

The President is impeached, and there is nothing that requires Nancy Pelosi to forward the Articles of Impeachment before a specific amount of time has elapsed, therefore any proposed rule change resulting in a Senate procedure would not have any bearing on impeachment whatsoever, because Trump IS impeached NOW....that is a fact.

A Law Professor’s Provocative Argument: Trump Has Not Yet Been Impeached - The New York Times

Impeachment happens, according to Noah Feldman, a Harvard law professor, only when the House transmits the articles of impeachment to the Senate.

So “technically speaking,” he said, “the president still hasn’t been impeached.”

he hasn't been impeached.
I'll wait while you show me.[/QUOTE]

 

[ludin]

Even McConnell says he needs the articles to proceed, so as usual, YOU FAIL. You are just pissed because Pelosi is pulling the **** YOU righties cheer McConnell for doing to her. So you can pound your foot and whine and cry but in the end, not Graham, McConnell or you can do ANYTHING about it. :lamo

Righty tears are so good.

actually the Rules say that he needs the articles to proceed.
they can simply change the rules and then they can proceed without her.

 

[ludin]

As soon as the senate let's her know how the trial will be run she will. Don't like it, T...O..U..G..H....S..H..I..T !!!!!! :lamo

it is none of her business how the senate runs their trial she gets no say in how they run it.
and i figure graham and mconnell will go through with the rule changes.

they will give her a week or so to transmit the articles and if they are not there then
they will proceed without prosecution present.

with no prosecution present trump basically walks and is found innocent.
the articles burn up.

 

[prometeus]

it is none of her business how the senate runs their trial she gets no say in how they run it.

Did she say she did?

and i figure graham and mconnell will go through with the rule changes.

You need to revisit some civics lessons. What rule can they change? Be very specific.

they will give her a week or so to transmit the articles and if they are not there then
they will proceed without prosecution present.

Proceed on what?

with no prosecution present trump basically walks and is found innocent.

Moronic drivel. No procedure anywhere or for anything finds anyone innocent.

 

[Cardinal]

I don't need to show you jack. The GOP should move forward with maximum pressure to get Pelosi to hand over what she should have handed over a couple weeks ago.
This is Congress, baby.

Why the hurry?

 

[ludin]

Im not worked up. I find the discussion interesting is all.
I have no idea if the Senate can vote on something passed in the house before its sent to them. Its a very nuianced argument over semantics and it ties into if Trump is impeached yet or not.

What this is was a floor rule. There is nothing that says that the floor rule shouldn't be changed in fact i started a thread on this very subject a while ago.

As i said earlier, it was a clever of Graham to make this argument. Ultimately if they pursue it and the Democrats challenge it, a court will need to intervene.

the courts will not get involved in a political process. which is what this is.

Imo, if Trump is officially impeached then its now up to the Senate what comes next. If he isnt offically impeached, the house csn continue to delay it until they next congress is sworn in. That would raise a new question if it goes on that long. I think it would require a new vote at that point.

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If Mcconnell changes the rules it would go something like this.
the senate will give the house 1 week to deliver the articles. if by the end of the week the articles and impeachment managers are not delivered we will proceed
to trial without prosecution.

This will give pelosi a chance to play ball. now if she still does not move on this the senate can hold the trial without prosecution.
which would default to a trump acquittal since there is no one to present evidence against him similar to a real trial.

it actually gets worse from there for democrats.

Maybe President Trump has not been impeached after all, or at least not yet.

Impeachment happens, according to Noah Feldman, a Harvard law professor, only when the House transmits the articles of impeachment to the Senate.

So “technically speaking,” he said, “the president still hasn’t been impeached.”

Trump Impeachment Delay Could Be Serious Problem for Democrats - Bloomberg
Impeachment as contemplated by the Constitution does not consist merely of the vote by the House, but of the process of sending the articles to the Senate for trial. Both parts are necessary to make an impeachment under the Constitution: The House must actually send the articles and send managers to the Senate to prosecute the impeachment. And the Senate must actually hold a trial.

If the House does not communicate its impeachment to the Senate, it hasn’t actually impeached the president. If the articles are not transmitted, Trump could legitimately say that he wasn’t truly impeached at all.

So basically without the articles of impeachment there and the senate trial beginning without them trump is clear and is actually not impeached.

 

[ludin]

That isn't whats being claimed at all. They are arguing that the Senate can't start a trial until they send the Articles to them. Apparently, according to Mitch McConnell, they are right.

Until they change the rules.
right now it is just floor rules stopping them from having a trial which is what they are wanting to change.

 

[Irwin Corey]

I don't need to show you jack. The GOP should move forward with maximum pressure to get Pelosi to hand over what she should have handed over a couple weeks ago.
This is Congress, baby.

You don't have to show is jack; true. Pelosi can work at her own pace; equally true. And as has been pointed out; if McConnell can hold up a Supreme Court Nomination then Pelosi must surely be free to proceed as she see's fit.

 

[ludin]

You don't have to show is jack; true. Pelosi can work at her own pace; equally true. And as has been pointed out; if McConnell can hold up a Supreme Court Nomination then Pelosi must surely be free to proceed as she see's fit.

sure she can and McConnell can change the rules and get around her. please read the thread.

 

[Irwin Corey]

sure she can and McConnell can change the rules and get around her. please read the thread.

I don't see how he can proceed with a Senate trial without the Articles of Impeachment; what's he going to try? Please use your head.

 

[ludin]

I don't see how he can proceed with a Senate trial without the Articles of Impeachment; what's he going to try? Please use your head.

I already posted it in this thread if you would actually read.

This is easy.

The rules state now that they need the articles to proceed.

the rules can be changed to something of the following.

the trial will be set in 1 week. We expect to have the articles in 1 week.
if there are no articles presented and no prosecution we will hold the trial without them.

this happens in court cases. the trial will start without the prosecution.

 

[Paradoxical]

You don't have to show is jack; true. Pelosi can work at her own pace; equally true. And as has been pointed out; if McConnell can hold up a Supreme Court Nomination then Pelosi must surely be free to proceed as she see's fit.

Is she waiting for a message from God?

 

[Irwin Corey]

I already posted it in this thread if you would actually read.

This is easy.

The rules state now that they need the articles to proceed.

the rules can be changed to something of the following.

the trial will be set in 1 week. We expect to have the articles in 1 week.
if there are no articles presented and no prosecution we will hold the trial without them.

this happens in court cases. the trial will start without the prosecution.

IF Mitch does that there is NOTHING to stop the House from impeaching tRump again on the same charges. Double indemnity doesn't apply to impeachment.

I'm sure Mitch knows this and once again Graham proves he's a dumb ass.

 

[Irwin Corey]

Is she waiting for a message from God?

She's waiting for an, if not impartial, at least a commitment to a trial where Senators commit to adhering to the oath the will take.

 

[BlueTex]

Tick, tock...

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[Paradoxical]

She's waiting for an, if not impartial, at least a commitment to a trial where Senators commit to adhering to the oath the will take.

She's got no Juices. The big boys are in charge now. Trump is not impeached.

 

[ludin]

IF Mitch does that there is NOTHING to stop the House from impeaching tRump again on the same charges. Double indemnity doesn't apply to impeachment.

I'm sure Mitch knows this and once again Graham proves he's a dumb ass.

Pelosi would be insane to try and do it again. she barely had support the 1st time.
in fact she really didn't even have support the first time.
if she tries it again she will burn down in flames.

Nope it is the perfect play. Pelosi doesn't have the political capital to try it again.
if she does then she will burn the democratic party to a crisp attempting it.