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Wouldn't happen.
Under NHS rules i believe, if i was infertile right now (which i hope im not, touch wood) i'd be able to get IVF for free but if i want it to give it someone else? Forget about it
No he shouldn't get it unless he pays for it himself.How about the case of Joe Tippler, a longterm alcoholic who is in line for a liver transplant. Should he get it?
Reform does not have to equal socialized health care alone, change the rules.
If it was a living human inside of you, there'd be no argument; however, it's not a human, it's an embryo. Big difference.
Expecting me to pay for the NEA to fund pornography and blasphemy is abhorrent. Expecting me to pay for abortions is going to save me money in the long run and quite possibly save the lives or livelihoods of me or my children.
Homo Inconvenientus?Uh-huh. And pray tell, what species is this "embryo"?
It is impossible to argue that abortion does not terminate an innocent human life -- which is why the pro-abortion crowd tries to frame the argument in terms of 'personhood'.
Goobieman said:It is impossible to argue that abortion does not terminate an innocent human life -- which is why the pro-abortion crowd tries to frame the argument in terms of 'personhood'.
I think it's more accurate to say that the anti-choice crowd tries to frame the argument in terms of 'personhood' when they say that abortions "kill babies/children/etc..." which obviously diverts from the issue of choice whose basis is found in the right of the mother and not the state of the "child".
Of course, if all this is true, and the fetus is treated with the same rights as a "baby/child/etc.." then we can take the anti-choicers' argument to its logical conclusion and state that mothers who have abortions should be put on trial for murder or accessory to murder, something that anti-choicers don't like recognizing.
Reverend said:The pro-killing human life crowd loves to do anything they can to avoid the science of abortion and the fact it kills human life.
Call it a life, child, human, baby or person.
Doesn't make a blind bit of difference to me. I call it what it is. A foetus
The pro-killing human life crowd loves to do anything they can to avoid the science of abortion and the fact it kills human life.
The Pro-Abortionists tends to have problems reconciling scientific fact and often utilizes newspeak and other nonsense to reframe the argument.
Except that they dont make that argument.I think it's more accurate to say that the anti-choice crowd tries to frame the argument in terms of 'personhood'....
Even in your own posts you do this by making the presumption that abortion "terminatean innocent human life".
This is easly proven wrong:The anti-choice crowd absolutely depends on whether or not the fetus is a "person"...
Interesing presumption there. Can you support it?Of course, if all this is true, and the fetus is treated with the same rights as a "baby/child/etc.." then we can take the anti-choicers' argument to its logical conclusion and state that mothers who have abortions should be put on trial for murder or accessory to murder, something that anti-choicers don't like recognizing.
Goobieman said:Except that they dont make that argument.
They make the argument that it is a(n innocent) human life.
And they are right.
There's no presumption there -- it is human, it is alive, it is innocent, and it is terminated. All factual, no presumption involved.
This is easly proven wrong:
None of the components of the argument, above, have anything to do with 'personhood'.
Interesing presumption there. Can you support it?
I'm OK with that, and I'm not familiar with anyone on the anti-abortion side tha's not.
US and many other countries sanctions the taking of human lives through death penalty.
Infact many soldiers when aboard during war involves taking human life
Hell, thousands if not tens of thousands of human lives are stolen everyday because of lack of water, medicine and shelter.
Excuse me whilst i get a hanky for something that has never breathed oxygen before outside of the womb. Some people need a dose of reality. There are already human lives that needs saving without worrying about a few bloody foetuses.
Such a meaningless term.
Pro killing human life? That makes those who support DP no better than me.
I can deal with that.
Perhaps we should start charging women for involuntary manslaughter when they have miscarriages?
I've edited my post, Reverend, just so you know.
Then why are these women not put on trial and executed for murder?
Or better yet, when is this designated as "kill[ing] human life?" The moment the ovum is fertilized? Perhaps we should start charging women for involuntary manslaughter when they have miscarriages?
found guilty by a jury of peers. What crime have the unborn committed? Who convicted them?
I was playing wit KC's "anti-abortionists" rhetoric... You should know me by now..... :2razz:
Reverend said:I think the law shoul be changed, and yes, unless the woman was raped or her life is in danger shouls be tried....
I did compromise on 8 week abortions, but I think that too, should be used sparingly and at the expense of the person with the poor judgment.
What ever happened to Felicity?
Yes... the reality that you think your convenience is more important that an innocent human life.Excuse me whilst i get a hanky for something that has never breathed oxygen before outside of the womb. Some people need a dose of reality.
Doesn't matter
A human life is just that, a life.
If pro lifers truly valued it as they claim, they would not take it nor support it be taken.
Shhh ... i'm playing along :2wave:
Yes... the reality that you think your convenience is more important that an innocent human life.
So if a woman is raped it is acceptable to murder a child?
What's so special at the 8 week mark that justifies murder?
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