Governors rush to slam door on Syrian refugees

[Grant]

Yeah, nobody wanted to front all that for the Jews in 1939-45 either. They were evil moneylenders, not to be trusted! But look how great it turned out for them! /sarcasm And note the regret and shame of the world in hindsight. Yeah, that regret and shame in hindsight didnt mean a damn thing in those ovens.

Are you really comparing Muslims to Jews?

Jews never had a homeland until 1948 and Muslims hate them for that. There are plenty of Islamic 'homelands' for Muslims to go to without risking the lives of those living in the democracies.

 

[Lursa]

Arabs can certainly offer diversity but another religion - not so much. And the US Constitution is basis for laws of the land, not a poem by Emma Lazurus, noble poet though she was. She was one of the first Zionists in fact.

Really? Muslims dont have jobs in all industries (except maybe pork slaughter?)? All fields, all professions? They arent innovative, adaptive, critical thinkers, like those of other religions?

And American Muslims dont follow secular law and the Constitution?

My God, the more I read these threads the sicker the posts make me. Apparently ISIL arent the only ones blinded by ignorance and dogma.

 

[Lursa]

Are you really comparing Muslims to Jews?

Jews never had a homeland until 1948 and Muslims hate them for that. There are plenty of Islamic 'homelands' for Muslims to go to without risking the lives of those living in the democracies.

Well, according to Jews, yeh huh, they did have a homeland before 1948.

And exactly how are Muslims so much less worthy of human compassion and rescuing from persecution than Jews? Come on...you seem pretty comfortable judging.

 

[Grant]

Really? Muslims dont have jobs in all industries (except maybe pork slaughter?)? All fields, all professions? They arent innovative, adaptive, critical thinkers, like those of other religions?
And American Muslims dont follow secular law and the Constitution? My God, the more I read these threads the sicker the posts make me. Apparently ISIL arent the only ones blinded by ignorance and dogma.

I never said any of that, though of course there are non-Muslims from a diversity of countries who could fill these positions as well. Try to read what I say, not what you think I said. To do otherwise is truly ignorant.

 

[Grant]

Well, according to Jews, yeh huh, they did have a homeland before 1948.

And exactly how are Muslims so much less worthy of human compassion and rescuing from persecution than Jews? Come on...you seem pretty comfortable judging.

This is getting tedious. Nowhere did I say Muslims were less worthy of human compassion. You can check again if you don't believe me.

Israel was created in 1948. Which date do you have?

 

[Fearandloathing]

What's your guess?
News report I saw said there's evidence the attacks were planned in Syria. It happened just when Europe was filling up with refugees, when the news each night had more reports on it. What a victory for ISIS if all those people get sent back to Syria.
Or maybe it's all random violence from ignorant sand-nigger Islamofascists without the ability to form and actuate strategy.

Or, just as well, the doors get shut because of fear.

Meanwhile, the Paris bombings also ensure that the Kurdish victory in Iraq gets little play

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/November_2015_Sinjar_offensive

 

[Lursa]

I never said any of that, though of course there are non-Muslims from a diversity of countries who could fill these positions as well. Try to read what I say, not what you think I said. To do otherwise is truly ignorant.

I answered it exactly. You dismissed those of religious background...Muslim we were discussing...as being less or having little diversity compared to other immigrants to America.

And you tried moving the goalposts by qualifying it? Thanks but no thanks.

 

[Lursa]

This is getting tedious. Nowhere did I say Muslims were less worthy of human compassion. You can check again if you don't believe me.

Israel was created in 1948. Which date do you have?

Well ok, then please feel free to explain exactly how the Jewish refugee situation is different from this Syrian one?

And Palestine was the Jewish homeland, that they were forced out of 2000 yrs ago. LOL...

 

[Grant]

I answered it exactly. You dismissed those of religious background..Muslim we were discussing...as being less or having little diversity compared to other immigrants to America. And you tried moving the goalposts by qualifying it? Thanks but no thanks.

Please use the exact quotes and respond to those.

I said another religion was not needed, and it isn't. And that's especially true in the case of Islam. Whatever diversity Muslims might bring is not worth the problems they cause. It's too bad some Muslims ruin it for others but that is the case. Arabs can be great and enrich the culture but Islam is a real international problem.

 

[Grant]

Well ok, then please feel free to explain exactly how the Jewish refugee situation is different from this Syrian one?

And Palestine was the Jewish homeland, that they were forced out of 2000 yrs ago. LOL...

There are Muslim countries near Syria where they would fit in rather nicely and be quite welcome, I assume. Or are they not welcome?

Israel was not recognized until 1948. That is now the officially recognized Jewish homeland. Things have changed in the middle east in the last 2000 years, especially since the introduction of islam. Now it is in control of Muslims with Jews, and Christians, targets of their ancient hatreds.

That's another reason why many Muslims aren't really prepared for the 'diversity' the western democracies enjoy. This is reflected in the deaths of people who have dared satirized Mohamed, for example. Who needs this hassle?

 

[Montecresto]

Not happening with Obama that's for sure.

Considering what Bush did AKA Iraq, what's that suppose.to mean?

 

[Grant]

Considering what Bush did AKA Iraq, what's that suppose.to mean?

Yes, introducing democracy to the Middle East was a rather foolish idea but, like now, democratic leaders didn't realize who they were dealing with.

 

[joG]

And how would they do that? Please be specific.

Like in Tunisia.

 

[The Mark]

You may not be, but let me ask you...why risk it? What is the point when it could put our people at risk?

It's not a risk.
Unless our government just says "send us X thousand, we don't care who they are", and then just drops them at random locations around the US.

Which it won't.

 

[American]

The article mentioned nothing about liberalism dying in Europe. I'll say goodbye to your daft statement.

Your liberal Utopian European model of society is going to get slaughtered. It's already begun.

 

[blackjack50]

Because by making the refugees the target of our collective anger, we are playing right into daesh' hands.

I'm not upset at the refugees. I don't want them being used to smuggle terrorists in. And the reality here is that it plays into their hands to use that network as well. So why risk it? What does it do for us?

 

[ludin]

Someone has to do something. If we could securely detain them and trust our inadequate administration to properly vet them we should help. I don't trust our administration to do an honest job of it. I don't trust them to do an even mediocre job regardless of the assignment. I still think we should help somehow. I am just not sure how.

that is why 17 state governors have stepped up to the plate and said no.

 

[ludin]

Yeah, nobody wanted to front all that for the Jews in 1939-45 either. They were evil moneylenders, not to be trusted!
But look how great it turned out for them! /sarcasm
And note the regret and shame of the world in hindsight. Yeah, that regret and shame in hindsight didnt mean a damn thing in those ovens.

and equivalency fallacies are just that.
Letting un-vetted males from a known terrorist country that are the prime age for terrorist recruitment into this country without knowing who they
are and letting them go in the general populace is stupidity at it's finest.

 

[radcen]

Why is it cowardice? If you want them, you take them in.

That's what I'm wondering. The word "coward" is being thrown around a lot, but not one single person has articulated *why* it's supposedly cowardly. They're just letting the ad hominem attack stand alone.

 

[radcen]

Yes. I see nothing wrong with a background verification process if it can be set up and implemented in an efficient and effective manner.

I'm skeptical that that is practically or effectively possible, but your's is a fair and sincere answer and I respect that.

 

[SgtRock]

We do not have a vetting process and we will be relying on the UN to vet these potential jihadist. Muslims can not be trusted. They lie to further their evil idology. I am proud of Governor Abbott, Proud to be a Texan, and proud to be an infidel.

 

[Ikari]

I'm not upset at the refugees. I don't want them being used to smuggle terrorists in. And the reality here is that it plays into their hands to use that network as well. So why risk it? What does it do for us?

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

 

[SgtRock]

They think we are fools. They laugh at the stupidity of our leaders.

 

[blackjack50]

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

The idealism is great. But what about the tired, poor, and hungry here? It is easy to demand that kind of idealism, but how do you think the families of those killed in Paris feel now? Knowing that some monsters came in with the poor?

I know this is hard...but if we are going to TRULY win the war on "terror" (realistically the war on radical Islam as that is the only real focus we have had), it will require the doors to be shut in the faces of the Middle East. They MUST fight this battle without our help. They MUST realize that the WORST problem they have is not America. It is the radicals in their own land that kill them and stir the pot. Even if you feel that they pushed by outside influences into terror...they still only have one hope: unification. Maybe not the entire Middle East, but at least within their nations.

Bringing them in to America does not help anyone but those who make it. "Burning the ships" has the potential to do a lot more.

 

[Ikari]

The idealism is great. But what about the tired, poor, and hungry here? It is easy to demand that kind of idealism, but how do you think the families of those killed in Paris feel now? Knowing that some monsters came in with the poor?

I know this is hard...but if we are going to TRULY win the war on "terror" (realistically the war on radical Islam as that is the only real focus we have had), it will require the doors to be shut in the faces of the Middle East. They MUST fight this battle without our help. They MUST realize that the WORST problem they have is not America. It is the radicals in their own land that kill them and stir the pot. Even if you feel that they pushed by outside influences into terror...they still only have one hope: unification. Maybe not the entire Middle East, but at least within their nations.

Bringing them in to America does not help anyone but those who make it. "Burning the ships" has the potential to do a lot more.

We should definitely be worried about our own. But instead we're spending trillions of dollars making millions of refugees and helping terrorist organizations gain traction.

We have a responsibility, our fingerprints are all over this. We cannot turn our backs on the suffering of others because we're scared some horribly small percentage of them may do something. We broke it, we buy it. This is why the level of interventionism we engaged in from the start was stupid and counterproductive. But we did it anyway. Actions have consequences, and ISIS and these refugees are some of the consequences to ours.

Turning our back to them, making these people suffer more, will only go to feed the Terrorist Propaganda Machine even more.