Governors rush to slam door on Syrian refugees

[TextDriversKill]

They aren't refugees escaping oppression. They're just illegal aliens escaping poverty of their own making. Tell Syria to take care of its own people.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...vernors-rush-to-slam-door-on-syrian-refugees/

nov 16 2015 Governors across the country are scrambling to close off their states to resettled Syrian refugees in the wake of the deadly terror attacks in Paris that are linked to Islamic State extremists.

The list of states climbed quickly to eight by midday Monday, even as President Obama denounced efforts to block refugees from coming to the United States as "shameful."

Governors of Illinois, Indiana, Massachusetts, Louisiana, Michigan, Alabama, Texas and Arkansas — all of them Republicans — have said that they would not admit new Syrian refugees for fear that violent extremists posing as refugees might gain entry to the country.

 

[Deuce]

They aren't refugees escaping oppression. They're just illegal aliens escaping poverty of their own making. Tell Syria to take care of its own people.

Poverty of their own making? These people were brutally oppressed by Islamic fanatics and you're blaming them?

 

[TheDemSocialist]

They aren't refugees escaping oppression. They're just illegal aliens escaping poverty of their own making. Tell Syria to take care of its own people.

All these governors are cowards. And way to blame the victim, how cowardly of you. No they arent "just illegal aliens escaping poverty of their own making". They are everyday citizens, women, men, children, the elderly, the poor, the middle class, escaping a brutal civil war, which the vast vast vast majority of them just want to end. These are individuals who saw their lives turned upside down, many of their wealth disappeared, their homes destroyed, their infrastructure gone and with no safe place to go and try to make a normal living they had to leave. No other choice.

 

[starcitizen]

Poverty of their own making? These people were brutally oppressed by Islamic fanatics and you're blaming them?

So all of the refugees are Syrian Christians?

 

[starcitizen]

All these governors are cowards. And way to blame the victim, how cowardly of you. No they arent "just illegal aliens escaping poverty of their own making". They are everyday citizens, women, men, children, the elderly, the poor, the middle class, escaping a brutal civil war, which the vast vast vast majority of them just want to end. These are individuals who saw their lives turned upside down, many of their wealth disappeared, their homes destroyed, their infrastructure gone and with no safe place to go and try to make a normal living they had to leave. No other choice.

No the majority of them are fighting age men and are not Syrian so spare us the propaganda.

 

[Deuce]

So all of the refugees are Syrian Christians?

Holy ****ing **** are you really not aware that ISIL et al brutally suppress and kill Muslims?

They kill more Muslims than Christians, dude.

 

[clownboy]

Poverty of their own making? These people were brutally oppressed by Islamic fanatics and you're blaming them?

Yup. Who's fault do you think that is? They are being oppressed by their own.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

No the majority of them are fighting age men and are not Syrian so spare us the propaganda.

False. If anyone is spouting "propaganda" here (false propaganda) its you.
"UNHCR’s data show that 50.5 percent of refugees are women. Females age 18 to 59 make up 23.9 percent of the refugees, while males in that age group make up 21.8 percent.
Even younger males — age 12 to 17 — represent 6.5 percent of refugees, while females that age are 6.1 percent. The majority of refugees — 51.1 percent — are under age 17, including 38.5 percent who are younger than 12 years old. These numbers were as of Sept. 6." Stretching Facts on Syrian Refugees

 

[clownboy]

All these governors are cowards. And way to blame the victim, how cowardly of you. No they arent "just illegal aliens escaping poverty of their own making". They are everyday citizens, women, men, children, the elderly, the poor, the middle class, escaping a brutal civil war, which the vast vast vast majority of them just want to end. These are individuals who saw their lives turned upside down, many of their wealth disappeared, their homes destroyed, their infrastructure gone and with no safe place to go and try to make a normal living they had to leave. No other choice.

Yes, of a country that brought this upon themselves with the full participation of those everyday citizens.

 

[Deuce]

Yup. Who's fault do you think that is? They are being oppressed by their own.

Literal victim blaming. I suppose black slaves had themselves to blame too.

 

[TheDemSocialist]

Yes, of a country that brought this upon themselves with the full participation of those everyday citizens.

:doh Do you always blame the victims? Victims of a civil war who are citizens of said country going through a civil war, they "brought this upon themselves"? ****ing seriously?

 

[Deuce]

Yes, of a country that brought this upon themselves with the full participation of those everyday citizens.

Ooooohhh I get it now. Thank you so much for clearing this up for me.

These people were chopping off their own heads and setting themselves on fire.

 

[clownboy]

:doh Do you always blame the victims? Victims of a civil war who are citizens of said country going through a civil war, they "brought this upon themselves"? ****ing seriously?

Perhaps you should look into what a civil war is. By definition, yes, they brought it on themselves.

 

[TextDriversKill]

Poverty of their own making? These people were brutally oppressed by Islamic fanatics and you're blaming them?

Do you have a shred of evidence for that claim? It's just more lies from obama. He wants more welfare trash in america cause he knows they'll vote for his party.

 

[Deuce]

Do you have a shred of evidence for that claim? It's just more lies from obama. He wants more welfare trash in america cause he knows they'll vote for his party.

Um. ISIS kills more Muslims than any other group.

Why do you think these people are fleeing the area? Do you think they're being oppressed by Christians?

 

[TheDemSocialist]

Perhaps you should look into what a civil war is. By definition, yes, they brought it on themselves.

So everyone in a country is responsible for the civil war, even if they are completely apolitical (like most people are)? So by your logic, the Ukrainian Civil War is all the citizens of Ukraines fault. The Yemeni Civil War, all citizens of Yemens fault. The Sudanese Civil War is the fault of all Sudanese. The American Civil war was the fault of all Americans. Correct? They all arent the victims of the civil war, they are to blame for the civil war. Correct?

 

[clownboy]

So everyone in a country is responsible for the civil war, even if they are completely apolitical (like most people are)? So by your logic, the Ukrainian Civil War is all the citizens of Ukraines fault. The Yemeni Civil War, all citizens of Yemens fault. The Sudanese Civil War is the fault of all Sudanese. The American Civil war was the fault of all Americans. Correct? They all arent the victims of the civil war, they are to blame for the civil war. Correct?

Yup. Once again, it's CIVIL war. Choosing to sit out the decision doesn't shield you from the consequences of the decision.

Isn't this something a socialist should know? :mrgreen:

 

[cpwill]

False. If anyone is spouting "propaganda" here (false propaganda) its you.
"UNHCR’s data show that 50.5 percent of refugees are women. Females age 18 to 59 make up 23.9 percent of the refugees, while males in that age group make up 21.8 percent.
Even younger males — age 12 to 17 — represent 6.5 percent of refugees, while females that age are 6.1 percent. The majority of refugees — 51.1 percent — are under age 17, including 38.5 percent who are younger than 12 years old. These numbers were as of Sept. 6." Stretching Facts on Syrian Refugees

These figures are, as near as I can tell, based on those in the camps in Turkey, Jordan, Iraq, and Lebanon, not based on those who are actually flooding into Europe, or seeking asylum in the United States.

When you read on to the next paragraph...

...We have seen a different set of UNHCR numbers cited on a few conservative websites — figures for refugees and migrants who have tried to enter Europe by crossing the Mediterranean Sea. There have been more than 400,000 such “sea arrivals” in 2015, and 51 percent are Syrian. The rest have come mainly from nine other countries. Most of these refugees and migrants have been men — 72 percent...

Now, long land journey's and sea journey's in poor vessels are dangerous enterprises, especially for women (who are often victimized by traffickers), and many of these military age males are likely fathers and husbands who are trying to get official residency somewhere so that they can bring their family later. But a high concentration of military age males traveling by themselves makes perfect, natural camouflage for military age males traveling by themselves for other purposes.

 

[Deuce]

Yup. Once again, it's CIVIL war. Choosing to sit out the decision doesn't shield you from the consequences of the decision.

The decision?

 

[clownboy]

The decision?

General, regarding the so-called "apolitical" and socially uninvolved citizens.

 

[Deuce]

General, regarding the so-called "apolitical" and socially uninvolved citizens.

Kinda like Poland's decision to start WW2, I guess.

 

[Objective Voice]

While I can understand these Governor's concerns, the problem here is according to USAToday, 5 out of the 8 terrorist were French nationals.

(3) Salah Abdeslam and his two brothers, Mohammad Abdeslam and Brahim Abdeslam who blem himself up - French Nationals.

(1) Samy Amimour - French citizen (born in Drancy, Franch)

(1) Omar Ismael Mostefai - French National

Ahmad Al Mohammad - possible Syrian refugee

Bilal Hadfi - only confirmed member of ISIL (in Syria)

(Last guy has yet to be identified.)

So, while I understand their concerns I think they're being very presumptuous. The greater fear is the home-grown sleeper cells among us.

 

[JoeTrumps]

I think everyone understands that the innocent refugees are getting screwed in this situation. However, if it IS true these terrorists got into France riding in boats filled with refugees, then it is absolutely within a Governor to deny entry to these SAME REFUGEE boats in order to protect the citizens of that state.

also, unless I'm wrong if liberals had their way Iraqi citizens would still be living in a bloody dictatorship(rape rooms and all), so stop the BS about how all you care about is "peoples of the world striving to be free." continue to lie to YOURSELVES, but don't lie to the rest of us.

 

[Objective Voice]

So all of the refugees are Syrian Christians?

Not all, but some (if not most). While the odds are high that someone posing as a Syrian refugee could infiltrate the U.S. on refugee status, you have to be careful about labeling every Syrian as a terrorist/member of ISIL.

 

[starcitizen]

Holy ****ing **** are you really not aware that ISIL et al brutally suppress and kill Muslims?

They kill more Muslims than Christians, dude.

No they target yazidis, Kurds, Shia and Christians their base of support is Sunni Muslims.