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Government Shutdown Negotiations Stuck On Sequestration


IMO it is die hard attitudes such as stated that has lead to the situation we are in. Politics is the art of the possible. Compromise, give and take, not being afraid to take a little if continuing the battle means you lose the whole lot. No, both parties have played hard nose party politics with this country from the get go or at least back to january of 2011. You're right about the beginning or the start of this shut down belongs to the Republicans. Their stupidity in an attempt to achieve something that wasn't going to happen caused or started this. Now if it continues, it seems IMO the blame is shifting.

It is true that the republican House passed a lot of bills with stuff in them that was totally unpalatable to the democrats in the senate. But the senate has the power to add, delete and change any of those bills. Reid chose to table them making the Republicans mad instead of following the old time and true ways of addition, deletion and change. This made the republicans mad in the senate that their bills would not be brought up to be debated or voted on. Filibusters then reigned galore. Which came first, I don't know, but both parties went out of their way to obstruct the other. It boiled down the Reid and his Democratic senate telling the House my way or the highway and guess what, the house said the same thing back to Reid.

One last thing, the Democrats love the fact that this shut down and the antics of the house has caused them to drop from 30% of the electorate to 20% as far as who identifies with them. Mean while the Democrats have dropped from 35% to 30% and seem to be extremely happy to accept that drop as long as the Republicans drop more. Neither party is paying attention to the fact that those who abandoned or left both parties didn't go to the other party, they chose to become independents, indies rose from 36% to an all time high of 47%.

Read into that what you will, but I will tell you this, I am sick and tired of our elected officials being republicans and democrats instead of Americans. I hope they continue to after each other throats until their support drops to almost nil and we put those two supposedly majority parties on the trash heap of history. Both sure deserve it. Playing political games with this country future is plain ignorant IMO.
 

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And then does it.

However, my issue is not with the GOP demanding continued sequestration levels. It's the reneging on their original deal and then adding a bunch of other bull****. And then asking for further cuts on top of the original deal, all "in exchange" for a few weeks of continued government function. All the while bitching that Democrats aren't negotiating.

They own this. 100%.
 
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Unitedwestand13 said:
Government Shutdown Negotiations Stuck On Sequestration



anyone have any thoughts?
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My thoughts would be that the President and Democrats claim that Obamacare is the law of the land and law should not be negotiated as part of the budget and/or debt ceiling discussions. Well, seems to me that the Sequestration is also the law of the land and if the Democrats and the President want that to be part of any deal, then Obamacare is on the cutting block too.
 

"Sequester" still is the law of the land that still requires additional cuts to planned increases in government spending. "Was" is incorrect. But now the democrats want to change the "law of the land". No problem in that per say, as it is in fact how business gets done in congress most of the time. Just because many liberals have egg on their faces (as usual) for saying such silly things is no need in falsely claiming "sequester" is a thing of the past.

To answer this question of yours, "why should Democrats accept any of this in exchange for 10 weeks of additional government?". Well for starters it would reopen all the government that the Democrats shut down.
 

Very well said, Pero! :thumbs: Both sides are wrong in what they're doing, and facts cannot be changed to suit whims! The legislators all need to grow up, compromise a little bit, and move on! Forget the childish fingerpointing, and just do your d*** jobs! We, the public, are getting tired of excuses!
 

It is said the difference between the boy scouts and congress is the boy scouts have adult leaders.
 
Perotista said:
It is said the difference between the boy scouts and congress is the boy scouts have adult leaders.
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I have never heard that one! Sad, but true! :thumbs:
 

"Both sides need to compromise" is horse**** because the Democrats agreed to the GOP's spending levels. That is a fact you cannot change.
 
Deuce said:
"Both sides need to compromise" is horse**** because the Democrats agreed to the GOP's spending levels. That is a fact you cannot change.
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Not true. The Democrats, GOP and the President agreed to those spending levels. Of course now, the Democrats are trying to change those spending levels. You know, change the "law of the land".
 
Deuce said:
"Both sides need to compromise" is horse**** because the Democrats agreed to the GOP's spending levels. That is a fact you cannot change.
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Now that both sides have experience in compromising, it should be easier now. I made no mention of spending levels, since that was only one item of many on both sides, but I believe that the House has given in on the medical device point. It's the unfinished negotiating that I was referring to, which seems to be a problem. Otherwise, they wouldn't still be trying. The last I heard, it isn't over yet, even though bipartisan Collins (R) and Manchin (D) had good ideas which Reid summarily rejected, and I don't know the reason why!

Greetings, Deuce. :2wave:
 
ItAin'tFree said:
Not true. The Democrats, GOP and the President agreed to those spending levels. Of course now, the Democrats are trying to change those spending levels. You know, change the "law of the land".
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Um, no. Months before the shutdown, the GOP offered certain spending levels. The Democrats agreed.

Then the GOP went back on the offer. They added defunding of the ACA and some other business, and further reduced the spending numbers.

Your guys can't even be held to their own word. Sorry.
 
Deuce said:
Eliminating major health care law changes is not a budget deal.
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LOL. You are becoming quite the comedian. Obamadon'tcare was passed under reconciliation. A budget process. Everything about it is a budget deal, then and now.
 
Boehner is about to speak..
WH has pre-empted this Boehner talk with "it's more of the same".
 

Flip, flop; flip, flop. Which will it be this time for you? Flip or flop?

The sequester was/is the "law of the land". Democrats, the GOP and the president agreed to it and it was made law. Now the democrats are trying to change the "law of the land". That's fine, that's part of the process just like it is for Obamadon'tcare.

Where is your rant at the Democrats not being "held to their own word" if your silly standard is no law can be changed? We won't be seeing that of course as you have no standards except to make any excuse for the democrats.
 
They may be ready to come to an agreement!

Here's a video of the latest politician rationally and logically explaining just what he sees must be done. I'm not sure if it's Boehner, or perhaps it's the president, as the picture is a bit unclear, but he obviously has a handle on the core arguments of the issues at hand.

speech is seen here
 
ItAin'tFree said:
LOL. You are becoming quite the comedian. Obamadon'tcare was passed under reconciliation. A budget process. Everything about it is a budget deal, then and now.
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Not quite correct. An amendment to the ACA was passed under reconciliation.
 

My standard is that when a negotiation occurs, and the other side agrees to your terms, the negotiation has ended.
 
Deuce said:
My standard is that when a negotiation occurs, and the other side agrees to your terms, the negotiation has ended.
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Oh, I see. Then you are completely against the Dems attempts at negotiating higher caps on the sequester spending? It is "law of the land" that the Dems agreed to (actually pushed for) and now they want it changed.

LOL. It's going to be more flip flop on your part as you have no standard. Keep on with the comedy act though, it's entertaining.
 
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