Government shutdown based on a lie: "We are moving to block an estimated 1.4 million illegal aliens from receiving American tax-payer Medicaid"!

[Luckyone]

AI overview.

That's a joke.

Why are those states providing state health care for illegals if the government is reducing Medicaid for legal citizens?

Those are big WORDS that have nothing to support them. Prove that the States are providing health care to illegals.

You do know this, don't you?

Fact Sheet: Undocumented Immigrants and Federal Health Care Benefits
This fact sheet describes the health care benefits and programs undocumented individuals are (and are not) eligible for. It also attempts to provide context on healthcare costs accrued by the undocumented population, including providing data on federal and state health expenditures and tax contributions made by undocumented immigrants. The data show that undocumented immigrants — who have limited access to the U.S. healthcare system — consume only a small fraction of total health expenditures, contributing far more through federal, state, and local taxes.

Are undocumented immigrants eligible for federal health care programs and benefits?​

In general, no. Undocumented immigrants are largely ineligible for federal healthcare programs like Medicaid and Medicare and are ineligible for most federal health care benefits, aside from emergency care.

 

[bubbabgone]

Its a state issue.

We are talking about the federal government shut down.......illegals dont get federally funded medicaid......so what the states do has nothing to do with the subject of the thread.

Um. Yes it does. The donkeys want to remove that restriction and shut down the government to do it.
Remember the BBB that was passed?

The 2025 Big Beautiful Bill cuts Medicaid funding to states aiding undocumented immigrants and adds work requirements.​

Trump’s ‘Big Beautiful Bill’ Ends Medicaid Funding for Illegal Immigrants

The Big Beautiful Bill, effective July 2025, restricts Medicaid funding for undocumented immigrants and penalizes states providing state-funded coverage. It adds work requirements, increases eligibility reviews, and raises copays. About 1.4 million undocumented immigrants and millions more may...

www.visaverge.com

 

[NolanVoyd]

Um. Yes it does. The donkeys want to remove that restriction and shut down the government to do it.
Remember the BBB that was passed?

The 2025 Big Beautiful Bill cuts Medicaid funding to states aiding undocumented immigrants and adds work requirements.​

Trump’s ‘Big Beautiful Bill’ Ends Medicaid Funding for Illegal Immigrants

The Big Beautiful Bill, effective July 2025, restricts Medicaid funding for undocumented immigrants and penalizes states providing state-funded coverage. It adds work requirements, increases eligibility reviews, and raises copays. About 1.4 million undocumented immigrants and millions more may...

www.visaverge.com

The money states use on that is state money, not federal money.

 

[element94]

To keep minds off the government shutdown Republicans caused, Trump announced America is at war!

He thinks this announcement covers up the murders he committed when he attacked the speedboats.

The Times reports, "President Trump has decided that the United States is engaged in a formal “armed conflict” with drug cartels his team has labeled terrorist organizations and that suspected smugglers for such groups are “unlawful combatants,” the administration said in a confidential notice to Congress this week. Note: Trump had no idea who the occupants were in the three speedboats.

"It adds new detail to the administration’s thinly articulated legal rationale for why three U.S. military strikes the president ordered on boats in the Caribbean Sea last month, killing all 17 people aboard them, should be seen as lawful rather than murder.

"Mr. Trump’s move to formally deem his campaign against drug cartels as an active armed conflict means he is cementing his claim to extraordinary wartime powers, legal specialists said. In an armed conflict, as defined by international law, a country can lawfully kill enemy fighters even when they pose no threat, detain them indefinitely without trials and prosecute them in military courts."

Murder is now an official act of the U.S. Presidency according to the SCOTUS! Gee, I wonder if that will get an attempted repeal when a dem gets back in?

 

[element94]

More to try to get them to be honest, if that is even possible:

Fact Checking Immigrants, Health Care, and the 2025 Tax and Budget Law

In response to misinformation about the 2025 reconciliation law, particularly regarding undocumented immigrants’ health care eligibility, this resource addresses misleading claims and explains why they are either highly distorted or entirely false.

www.nilc.org

 

[bubbabgone]

The money states use on that is state money, not federal money.

1- “… penalizes states providing state funded coverage”
2- all federal money tends to become fungible by states in the end

 

[NolanVoyd]

1- “… penalizes states providing state funded coverage”
2- all federal money tends to become fungible by states in the end

Nope. In no way shape or form is it funguble. Its vompartmetalized and accounted for.

 

[Cosmo]

Not what i said is it?

why do you lie about what i say in print?

what i sad was a bad cough that wont go away, dont have a doctor, you should go to the ER before it turns tp pnumonia

No, you should go back to your own country. "wont go away" implies plenty of time.

saying i was "pretending it is the same thing as cardiac arrest" is a lie you made up. A straw man.

That's what you presented to demonstrate the severity of the supposed emergency, but then you bait-and-switched to a cough.

But he lives and works here. Just a fact.

In what world does that excuse him breaking the law and being in the country illegally? If a bank robber chips a tooth while firing at police, I'm going to suggest he surrender if he wants to get a dentist. You'd suggest we send him a free, taxpayer-funded dentist to the bank vault because it's cruel and evil not to.

I keep posting facts, proving you wrong.

You keep denying the truth that is right on front of you.

 

[Gatsby]

Looks like Republicans are preparing to cave. It's noteworthy that it's Hawley saying this, and not just Collins/Murkowski.

 

[Cosmo]

Illegals are not wasting taxpayer money!

Prove that what you think is true!

Of course, you are doing fine "right now" but then again, this is what is happening to you, and you don't yet see it:

They're getting government funds to pay for their medical treatment. It says so right on NYC's website, and that of other government websites.

 

[Cosmo]

As the old man would've said: "Want in one hand.....and shit in the other. See which hand fills up faster."

Trump is working on it. Liberal meltdowns over Abrego and other illegals tell me it's working. We will never be completely free of illegals, but Trump is moving things in the right direction.

 

[Linuxcooldude]

Are undocumented immigrants eligible for federal health care programs and benefits?​

In general, no. Undocumented immigrants are largely ineligible for federal healthcare programs like Medicaid and Medicare and are ineligible for most federal health care benefits, aside from emergency care.

Reading between the lines, using disclaimers, they do receive some benefits. In general, no….are largely ineligible….ineligible for most federal health care benefit's.

 

[NolanVoyd]

No, you should go back to your own country. "wont go away" implies plenty of time.

Lol.

Ridiculous. They live and work here. They arent going to travel to another country to see a doctor.

Do you know how stupid your suggestion sounds?

That's what you presented to demonstrate the severity of the supposed emergency, but then you bait-and-switched to a cough.

Nonsense.

You just lack reading comprehension and logic skills sp ypu go for the strae man fallacies

In what world does that excuse him breaking the law and being in the country illegally?

in a world where our country needs their labor, puts up a huge "help wanted" sign up at the border, and has a legal immigration systrm that doesnt allow the majority of tje labor our e conomy needs to come legally.

That mess is our fault not theirs.

Blaming them is illogical, based om hate.

Careful dude, that hate is burning you up.

Put aside. Think it through. Logically.

 

[NolanVoyd]

They're getting government funds to pay for their medical treatment. It says so right on NYC's website, and that of other government websites.

They are getting STATE government funds.
They are not getting FEDERAL government funds.

This is thread is about the FEDERAL government shutdown.

STATE programs have nothing to do with it.


Or did the right do a 180 on states rights, and now thinks what states do is the federal governments business?

 

[NolanVoyd]

They're getting government funds to pay for their medical treatment. It says so right on NYC's website, and that of other government websites.

State government funds not federal government funds.

Are you being dishonest because you are a cynical liar who thinks lying will work.

Or are you being dishonest because you really are that ignorant and dont get the difference?

 

[Cosmo]

Lol.

Ridiculous. They live and work here. They arent going to travel to another country to see a doctor.

And that's what it comes down to: you want the illegals to stay here, as I said from the beginning. The "emergency care" shit is just a smokescreen.

Do you know how stupid your suggestion sounds?

Yes so stupid to think people shouldn't break the law every day of their lives by remaining illegals in the US!

Nonsense.

You just lack reading comprehension and logic skills sp ypu go for the strae man fallacies


in a world where our country needs their labor, puts up a huge "help wanted"

Where's the sign? Do they have it at all parts of this extremely inviting border wall?

sign up at the border, and has a legal immigration systrm that doesnt allow the majority of tje labor our e conomy needs to come legally.

That mess is our fault not theirs.

Blaming them is illogical, based om hate.

Careful dude, that hate is burning you up.

Put aside. Think it through. Logically.

Thanks! Soooo glad I voted for Trump and that he won!

 

[Cosmo]

They are getting STATE government funds.
They are not getting FEDERAL government funds.

Uhuh!

California Improperly Claimed $52.7 Million in Federal Medicaid Reimbursement for Capitation Payments Made on Behalf of Noncitizens With Unsatisfactory Immigration Status

oig.hhs.gov

This is thread is about the FEDERAL government shutdown.

STATE programs have nothing to do with it.


Or did the right do a 180 on states rights, and now thinks what states do is the federal governments business?

 

[iguanaman]

You just quoted the link.

Here's another one:

https://www.dhcs.ca.gov/keep-your-Medi-Cal/Pages/Medi-Cal-Immigrant-Eligibility-FAQs.aspx

These are all State run programs and no Federal funds may be used to pay benefits to undocumented immigrants by Federal law. Stop lying.

Under federal law, states cannot use federal Medicaid funding to provide comprehensive benefits to undocumented immigrants, except for emergency services. However, because Medicaid is funded by both the federal government and states, states have the option to use their own state funds to cover undocumented immigrants.
This has led to a patchwork of state-level programs, with coverage varying significantly depending on the state, the recipient's age, and other factors.

https://www.google.com/search?q=can...AgiwAgHxBSNNMWYcVdam&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

 

[Variant]

Looks like Republicans are preparing to cave. It's noteworthy that it's Hawley saying this, and not just Collins/Murkowski.

It's odd that the democrats main gripe is that republicans should deal with a problem they created before it goes incredibly sour with the voters.

They have a good heart protecting these people from themselves.

 

[Cosmo]

These are all State run programs and no Federal funds may be used to pay benefits to undocumented immigrants by Federal law. Stop lying.

Under federal law, states cannot use federal Medicaid funding to provide comprehensive benefits to undocumented immigrants, except for emergency services. However, because Medicaid is funded by both the federal government and states, states have the option to use their own state funds to cover undocumented immigrants.
This has led to a patchwork of state-level programs, with coverage varying significantly depending on the state, the recipient's age, and other factors.

https://www.google.com/search?q=can...AgiwAgHxBSNNMWYcVdam&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Seems you don't understand the difference between law and following it. The latter is not being done.

California Improperly Claimed $52.7 Million in Federal Medicaid Reimbursement for Capitation Payments Made on Behalf of Noncitizens With Unsatisfactory Immigration Status

oig.hhs.gov

 

[iguanaman]

Uhuh!

California Improperly Claimed $52.7 Million in Federal Medicaid Reimbursement for Capitation Payments Made on Behalf of Noncitizens With Unsatisfactory Immigration Status

oig.hhs.gov

California improperly claimed $52.7 million in Federal Medicaid reimbursement because it continued to use the proxy percentage that was developed in the early 2000s without assessing whether the percentage correctly accounted for the costs of providing nonemergency services to noncitizens with UIS under managed care. In addition, California did not have any policies and procedures for assessing and periodically reassessing the proxy percentage.

That is a clerical error that will be corrected under Federal law. There are no legal payments of Federal funds to undocumented migrants except for emergency treatments. Trump's plans to remove ACA tax credits for American citizens is the cause of the shutdown. Throwing millions off their insurance will not stand.

 

[Cosmo]

California improperly claimed $52.7 million in Federal Medicaid reimbursement because it continued to use the proxy percentage that was developed in the early 2000s without assessing whether the percentage correctly accounted for the costs of providing nonemergency services to noncitizens with UIS under managed care. In addition, California did not have any policies and procedures for assessing and periodically reassessing the proxy percentage.

That is a clerical error that will be corrected under Federal law. There are no legal payments of Federal funds to undocumented migrants except for emergency treatments. Trump's plans to remove ACA tax credits for American citizens is the cause of the shutdown. Throwing millions off their insurance will not stand.

1. You're moving the goalposts. First you said "no Federal funds may be used to pay benefits to undocumented immigrants by Federal law," and now you are limiting the claim only to non-emergency treatments (did you finally read something you quoted/linked? ).
2. It's a "clerical error" that wouldn't have occurred without illegals in the first place.
3. With cities like NYC brazenly declaring they won't report immigration status to the feds, it's pretty silly to assume this rule comes even close to being followed, especially when it was already shown to you that it was not.

 

[Pyrite]

1. You're moving the goalposts. First you said "no Federal funds may be used to pay benefits to undocumented immigrants by Federal law," and now you are limiting the claim only to non-emergency treatments (did you finally read something you quoted/linked? ).
2. It's a "clerical error" that wouldn't have occurred without illegals in the first place.
3. With cities like NYC brazenly declaring they won't report immigration status to the feds, it's pretty silly to assume this rule comes even close to being followed, especially when it was already shown to you that it was not.

Post #147


You are ignoring this part:

That is a clerical error that will be corrected under Federal law. There are no legal payments of Federal funds to undocumented migrants except for emergency treatments.

If you want to try to prove that Democrats are demanding that Federal funds be used for non-emergency treatment of undocumented migrants, go for it: copy and paste excerpts from credible sources to which you provide the links.

I am looking forward to seeing what you come up with.

 

[iguanaman]

1. You're moving the goalposts. First you said "no Federal funds may be used to pay benefits to undocumented immigrants by Federal law," and now you are limiting the claim only to non-emergency treatments (did you finally read something you quoted/linked? ).
2. It's a "clerical error" that wouldn't have occurred without illegals in the first place.
3. With cities like NYC brazenly declaring they won't report immigration status to the feds, it's pretty silly to assume this rule comes even close to being followed, especially when it was already shown to you that it was not.

Yes we do not let the undocumented die without treatment in emergency rooms. Is that what you are complaining about? That is sick behavior.

 

[NolanVoyd]

And that's what it comes down to: you want the illegals to stay here, as I said from the beginning.

Just common sensr.

The "emergency care" shit is just a smokescreen.

Just rational thought

Yes so stupid to think people shouldn't break the law every day of their lives by remaining illegals in the US!

Let them fix their paperwork.

our economy neess their labor, we need to let them do ot legally.

Where's the sign? Do they have it at all parts of this extremely inviting border wall?

Seriously?

Are you playing games or did you really not underrand?