Government shutdown based on a lie: "We are moving to block an estimated 1.4 million illegal aliens from receiving American tax-payer Medicaid"!

[Sandy Shanks]

Trump is a lame duck President. Many are convinced that our our mentally ill, draft-dodging, convicted felon for a President is out to destroy the American government out of revenge for how our government and media has treated him.

To keep minds off the government shutdown Republicans caused, Trump announced America is at war!

He thinks this announcement covers up the murders he committed when he attacked the speedboats.

The Times reports, "President Trump has decided that the United States is engaged in a formal “armed conflict” with drug cartels his team has labeled terrorist organizations and that suspected smugglers for such groups are “unlawful combatants,” the administration said in a confidential notice to Congress this week. Note: Trump had no idea who the occupants were in the three speedboats.

"It adds new detail to the administration’s thinly articulated legal rationale for why three U.S. military strikes the president ordered on boats in the Caribbean Sea last month, killing all 17 people aboard them, should be seen as lawful rather than murder.

"Mr. Trump’s move to formally deem his campaign against drug cartels as an active armed conflict means he is cementing his claim to extraordinary wartime powers, legal specialists said. In an armed conflict, as defined by international law, a country can lawfully kill enemy fighters even when they pose no threat, detain them indefinitely without trials and prosecute them in military courts."

 

[madman]

It says right on government websites that illegals can get Medicaid.

Immigrants - OCHIA

anyone with a brain can see it says "immigrants" and NOT "illegal"
we are a nation of immigrants.

duh

 

[madman]

You just quoted the link.

Here's another one:

https://www.dhcs.ca.gov/keep-your-Medi-Cal/Pages/Medi-Cal-Immigrant-Eligibility-FAQs.aspx

immigrant!!!

not illegal

 

[madman]

Cool! Just as long as we're in agreement that illegals getting taxpayer-funded Medicaid is a problem.

it says that NO WHERE.

 

[madman]

Yes, I did. And then I commented on it. Did you read what you copied and pasted? What about what I wrote?


I want the illegals out of the country. Then it's not even an issue.


...meaning illegals.

...which is funded by the feds (at least in part).

immigrant does not = illegal

 

[Greenbeard]

...which is funded by the feds (at least in part).

Not for services or individuals ineligible under federal law.

 

[Cosmo]

The only thing paid by the general medicaid fund (federal and state) is emergency care....

Already an admission.

Not for services or individuals ineligible under federal law.

...because duh!

Any other care they might get is a state issue.

...and if they're pregnant:

• If you are pregnant, you can get Medicaid regardless of immigration status, as long as you meet other requirements.

...and if they're 65 and older:

• Undocumented adults who are 65 and older might be eligible for Medicaid if they meet the eligibility requirements.

...and if they are "DACA:"

• DACAmented New Yorkers with Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals status can qualify for Medicaid.

That's all under the "Medicaid" part of the page. And that's just when the system works "properly." Then there's shit like this:

California Improperly Claimed $52.7 Million in Federal Medicaid Reimbursement for Capitation Payments Made on Behalf of Noncitizens With Unsatisfactory Immigration Status

oig.hhs.gov

If you're OK with that, that's fine, but don't pretend it isn't happening. Embrace it!

oh lord, can't even read his own link............
Immigrants in New York have more health insurance options than in many other states.
Federally, illegals are barred from receiving Medicaid. So a tempest in a teapot believed by ignorant people who site a NYC govt site to argue about a federal law, go figure.

They tell you right on the page that they don't report immigration status to begin with!

Your immigration status won't be shared with federal immigration authorities.

That's how you get shit like this:

California Improperly Claimed $52.7 Million in Federal Medicaid Reimbursement for Capitation Payments Made on Behalf of Noncitizens With Unsatisfactory Immigration Status

oig.hhs.gov

And once again, just the Medicaid portion contains freebies for illegals, so stop with that obtuse nonsense already! It's coming straight from the horse's mouth.

anyone with a brain can see it says "immigrants" and NOT "illegal"
we are a nation of immigrants.

duh

WTF do you think "undocumented" means when discussing "immigrants?"

Oh right, what was I thinking?! That would require you to put two and two together: a truly epic and insurmountable task for a liberal on an odyssey to obtuseness!

 

[NolanVoyd]

Already an admission.

Huh?

Of course they get emergency care

What should the hospital do? Demand ID from accident victims in the trauma center and drag the ones who cant prove citizenship back out to the sidewalk to bleed out?

What the hell is wrong with you?

 

[Taylor]

There are three phases to how Democrats argue.

1) Deny, deny, deny. When that fails....
2) Admit it occurs, but that it's just an insignificant number. When that fails...
3) Insist that anyone who has a problem with it is a racist/bigot/homophobe/transphobe/misogynist/fascist etc.

We're mostly in phase 1 here, but will reach phase 3 before this is over.

 

[Taylor]

Huh?

Of course they get emergency care

What should the hospital do? Demand ID from accident victims in the trauma center and drag the ones who cant prove citizenship back out to the sidewalk to bleed out?

What the hell is wrong with you?

Not everyone goes to the ER for life-threatening injuries.

 

[NolanVoyd]

Not everyone goes to the ER for life-threatening injuries.

So?

IF a family comes in with a sick child, with a fever, and the parents cant prove citizenship, does the hospital refuse to see what is wrong with the kid and have the family escorted out?

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?

 

[madman]

Already an admission.





...and if they're pregnant:

...and if they're 65 and older:

...and if they are "DACA:"

That's all under the "Medicaid" part of the page. And that's just when the system works "properly." Then there's shit like this:

California Improperly Claimed $52.7 Million in Federal Medicaid Reimbursement for Capitation Payments Made on Behalf of Noncitizens With Unsatisfactory Immigration Status

oig.hhs.gov

If you're OK with that, that's fine, but don't pretend it isn't happening. Embrace it!


They tell you right on the page that they don't report immigration status to begin with!

That's how you get shit like this:

California Improperly Claimed $52.7 Million in Federal Medicaid Reimbursement for Capitation Payments Made on Behalf of Noncitizens With Unsatisfactory Immigration Status

oig.hhs.gov

And once again, just the Medicaid portion contains freebies for illegals, so stop with that obtuse nonsense already! It's coming straight from the horse's mouth.


WTF do you think "undocumented" means when discussing "immigrants?"
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Oh right, what was I thinking?! That would require you to put two and two together: a truly epic and insurmountable task for a liberal on an odyssey to obtuseness!

anyone can type up bullshit! show us proof with a link

 

[BirdinHand]

Cool! Just as long as we're in agreement that illegals getting taxpayer-funded Medicaid is a problem.

So…question:

Jose walks into Community Hospital and is having a heart attack.

The doctors and nurses there treat him,

Jose is undocumented.
Jose has no insurance.
Jose will never pay the $50K bill.


What you’re saying is that you want Dr. Jones and the staff of Trinity Medical Center to go unpaid because Jose was undocumented?



Just want to make sure I’m understanding your point here.

 

[BirdinHand]

Not everyone goes to the ER for life-threatening injuries.

Ok, so to be clear:


Do want hospitals that receive federal funding (via Medicaid and Medicare) to treat ANY patient that comes to their door regardless of that person’s ability to pay.

Yes or no?

 

[madman]

So…question:

Jose walks into Community Hospital and is having a heart attack.

The doctors and nurses there treat him,

Jose is undocumented.
Jose has no insurance.
Jose will never pay the $50K bill.


What you’re saying is that you want Dr. Jones and the staff of Trinity Medical Center to go unpaid because Jose was undocumented?



Just want to make sure I’m understanding your point here.

Jose MUST DIE!!!

/s

 

[Taylor]

What should the hospital do? Demand ID from accident victims in the trauma center and drag the ones who cant prove citizenship back out to the sidewalk to bleed out?

I see you received your latest installment of the DNC talking points.

 

[NolanVoyd]

I see you received your latest installment of the DNC talking points.

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I cant even read that.

Its just a common sense question.

You ran away. Wont answer.

 

[BirdinHand]

I see you received your latest installment of the DNC talking points.

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what’s wrong, can’t actually answer the question?

 

[The AntiDonald]

Cool! Just as long as we're in agreement that illegals getting taxpayer-funded Medicaid is a problem.

So to you, humanitarian compassion is wrong. You'd rather live with your greed and let your fellow man suffer or even die.
That's so manly of you. So Christian of you.

I would start worrying if you are a believer. He'll is taking reservations. I wish you luck. At least you can burn right next to your manly hero. He'll be there for sure.

 

[BirdinHand]

I cant even read that.

Its just a common sense question.

You ran away. Wont answeer.

Choices:

1. Admit they want to just see people die
2. Admit the democrats are right.




Deflection incoming.

 

[The AntiDonald]

Already an admission.





...and if they're pregnant:

...and if they're 65 and older:

...and if they are "DACA:"

That's all under the "Medicaid" part of the page. And that's just when the system works "properly." Then there's shit like this:

California Improperly Claimed $52.7 Million in Federal Medicaid Reimbursement for Capitation Payments Made on Behalf of Noncitizens With Unsatisfactory Immigration Status

oig.hhs.gov

If you're OK with that, that's fine, but don't pretend it isn't happening. Embrace it!


They tell you right on the page that they don't report immigration status to begin with!

That's how you get shit like this:

California Improperly Claimed $52.7 Million in Federal Medicaid Reimbursement for Capitation Payments Made on Behalf of Noncitizens With Unsatisfactory Immigration Status

oig.hhs.gov

And once again, just the Medicaid portion contains freebies for illegals, so stop with that obtuse nonsense already! It's coming straight from the horse's mouth.


WTF do you think "undocumented" means when discussing "immigrants?"
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Oh right, what was I thinking?! That would require you to put two and two together: a truly epic and insurmountable task for a liberal on an odyssey to obtuseness!

Catch a breath dude, or don't!

So I do have a question. If you believe this bill cuts funding for all these illegals taking advantage of our government, why then don't we the people get the money instead. All I'm reading is 95% of all Americans are getting major increases in health care costs. Where are all those savings going?

That's right, I forgot. Billionaire tax cuts. BRAVO GOP.

 

[BirdinHand]

Catch a breath dude, or don't!

So I do have a question. If you believe this bill cuts funding for all these illegals taking advantage of our government, why then don't we the people get the money instead. All I'm reading is 95% of all Americans are getting major increases in health care costs. Where are all those savings going?

That's right, I forgot. Billionaire tax cuts. BRAVO GOP.

MAGAs are expecting that they might get them an invitation to the new WH Ballroom or something


Donnie told them the invite is in the mail.

 

[Cosmo]

Huh?

Of course they get emergency care

What should the hospital do? Demand ID from accident victims in the trauma center and drag the ones who cant prove citizenship back out to the sidewalk to bleed out?

What the hell is wrong with you?

What's wrong is you dodged the rest of the post that showed that's not even the extent of the problem despite your desperate attempt to keep your head in the sand and pretend it is. That's one problem.

anyone can type up bullshit! show us proof with a link

You just quoted a bunch of links. Start there.
Oh wait, that requires critical thinking and reading comprehension. Never mind!

So…question:

Jose walks into Community Hospital

No, no he wouldn't. Not into a hospital on American soil. Not if the government did its job and kept the illegals out in the first place.

and is having a heart attack.

The doctors and nurses there treat him,

Jose is undocumented.
Jose has no insurance.
Jose will never pay the $50K bill.


What you’re saying is that you want Dr. Jones and the staff of Trinity Medical Center to go unpaid because Jose was undocumented?



Just want to make sure I’m understanding your point here.

You can pay for him if you want. Your side is the one that wants them here.

So to you, humanitarian compassion is wrong.

No, to me, paying for "compassion" with other people's money for a problem you created is wrong.

You'd rather live with your greed and let your fellow man suffer or even die.
That's so manly of you. So Christian of you.

I would start worrying if you are a believer. He'll is taking reservations. I wish you luck. At least you can burn right next to your manly hero. He'll be there for sure.

 

[Cosmo]

Catch a breath dude, or don't!

I'm doing fine. You out of breath doing all that thinking?

So I do have a question. If you believe this bill cuts funding for all these illegals taking advantage of our government, why then don't we the people get the money instead.

You spend all your COVID handouts already? I didn't like the inflation associated with that. Thanks, but no thanks!

All I'm reading is 95% of all Americans are getting major increases in health care costs. Where are all those savings going?

That's right, I forgot. Billionaire tax cuts. BRAVO GOP.

 

[BirdinHand]

You can pay for him if you want. Your side is the one that wants them here

No, no he wouldn't. Not into a hospital on American soil. Not if the government did its job and kept the illegals out in the first place

Nice attempt at deflection.

Well just mark down how you won’t answer the direct question.


Can’t say I blame you though, it’s hard to go on the record stating:

1. You no longer want ERs to be required to provide care to anyone that comes through the door
2. You want to see people LITERALLY dying in the streets and turned away from hospitals
3. You want to see doctors and medical providers go unpaid.
4. Democrats are right.


I can appreciate how hard a dilemma that is for MAGA.