ricksfolly
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Then, Dude, exactly where would you cut a regulation.I'd love to know where people think we don't have ENOUGH government. We have too much government in every area-the issue is which areas have the worst overregulation
I'd love to know where people think we don't have ENOUGH government. We have too much government in every area-the issue is which areas have the worst overregulation
Is someone going to add a poll?
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Uh, needs fixing. Change one of the "Not enough government" to "Some good, some bad..."
Easy. Food. The FDA does not have the authority to force a company to recall tainted food or even publicly announce without the company's permission. The government can force a company to take back a dangerous non-food product and announce that publicly, but a food producer, like the big egg farm that tainted hundreds of millions of eggs with salmonella last month has the right to ignore the FDA and sell potentially lethal food products. The only real thing the FDA can do is pull its inspectors, effectively shutting down a plant. That does not stop the containmented food products that have already been shipped from being sold.
The fact that the government can make a company recall slightly defective cribs that may accidentally kill 1 infant out of 1 million but cannot force a recall of food which can (and has) sickened and killed millions and hundreds is frightening. I want the FDA to have the power to force food producers to recall e-coli laced meat. Especially consider the type of e-coli out there. The kind that produces shiga toxins which literally liquefy your organs.
And here's another example of you being as usual, wrong. Regulation prevents certain high tech weapons like the F-22 from being exported. This is a very good thing. It ensures American technological superiority on the battlefield.
Molten is correct. We have too much in some places and too little in others. One example of too little was Gringrich and Clinton's repeal of the GSA which is directly responsible for the current recession.
The complete and utter failure of the economy in the US was directly attributable to lax or non existent regulations. The real problem in the US is that corperations run your government.
That's not even a good example. Those eggs weren't that bad. Everyone had the information, made a big deal about it, and threw the eggs out. The food was still safe if you just scrambled the eggs! That's really not that much of a problem.
What kind of producer is going to keep making that and have the ability to stay in business?
Isn't that kind of stretching the definition of regulation? I thought that was just part of the deal that the military makes with defense contractors.
I foresee a "what started the recession" thread, complete with CRA, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, Federal Reserve, Bush, etc.
That's because, fundamentally, the people do not want less government. They want less government in their lives and more in their neighbors'.
I agree. And you? What does a fascist want? Do you want your political minions to control my thoughts and my own personal behavior?
What makes you think that allowing that to even occur is justifiable? So it didn't turn out as bad as it could have. That doesn't mean we do nothing or even reduce oversight a Turtledude argues.
Every large meat producer. And they've been doing it for at least two decades this way. You should read Fast Food Nation. Jack in the Box almost went under for using that meat. And their supplier still exists.
Not at all. An agreement which explicitly forbids you from selling certain products to certain people is regulation. It being part of the contract deal is a sign it is a form of regulation. In fact, that is a poster child of regulation. Government telling you what you can't sell and who you can't sell it to.
And like most, it will go badly because most people have no understanding of what occurred other then what pundits tell them. Still, fundamentally the problem was over use of leverage across the system. There's no way that could have continued indefinitely.
And it will never occur with the FDA?
I've never gotten sick from Jack in the Box food, and nobody has for a while now.
Then I can regulate by writing a contract that forces someone to keep my secret? It's kind of a broad definition of regulation and typically not the thing that free market economists complain about.
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