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Sure it can.
OCTOBER 5, 2011, 1:58 P.M. ET
Senate Democrats Propose 5% Surtax on Millionaires
By COREY BOLES
Out of .1% T-bills and into Needed, real-infrastructure Jobs. (if correctly spent/executed)
It's difficult to Tax and assess wealth yearly.let's instead base income and capital gains taxes on a person's total wealth, not just income.
I think your point here is being mostly missed.
Perhaps those who don't get it will get it if it is rephrased to question whether government taking wealth out of the economy that would have created three jobs in the private sector, and spending it a manner that creates two government-funded jobs, can really be said to be “creating jobs”.
Nor have I compared the two AND I stated they have value. Not the point. Government jobs are not self sustaining. That is all. A police force is not self sustaining. A private security force is.The police provide a service....all govt jobs provide service ...private sector jobs profit is job one..and if less service provides more profit than you get less service for the more cost...smaller candy bar syndrome...could you even imagine if police and fire were profit driven...how would you offer competition to keep costs down...you cant compare public and private sector jobs....
Nor have I compared the two AND I stated they have value. Not the point. Government jobs are not self sustaining. That is all. A police force is not self sustaining. A private security force is.
A private security force costs more money than the US military. So, if it takes more taxpayers money to hire private security forces, how is this not less sustainable than the US military.
Nor have I compared the two AND I stated they have value. Not the point. Government jobs are not self sustaining. That is all. A police force is not self sustaining. A private security force is.
It creates no product and therefore no money........with out taking money from workers who produce a necessary and useable product needed to sustain life these government service jobs could not exist.government creates lots of jobs: Military, bureaucracy, etc
whether that is a good thing or a bad thing is subject to much debate.
government creates lots of jobs: Military, bureaucracy, etc
whether that is a good thing or a bad thing is subject to much debate.
It creates no product and therefore no money........with out taking money from workers who produce a necessary and useable product needed to sustain life these government service jobs could not exist.
That isn't what the OP asks. It clearly asks if the government can create jobs. I'm still waiting for a reasoned justification as to why it can't.
You still are missing the point.
Sure, government can “create” jobs. But if, in order to do so, it is taking wealth out of the economy that, left in the private sector, would create more jobs than government would use that wealth to create, then, in effect, government is destroying more jobs than it is creating. The net effect is that no, government is not actually creating jobs; there are fewer people working than if government left that wealth in the private sector, where it would do more good.
The government can't create a job that produces anything that create wealth for the economy. Government jobs redestribute private money into the public sector.......but no new product of value is made......these are all service jobs......non-creative.That isn't what the OP asks. It clearly asks if the government can create jobs. I'm still waiting for a reasoned justification as to why it can't.
The government can't create a job that produces anything that create wealth for the economy. Government jobs redestribute private money into the public sector.......but no new product of value is made......these are all service jobs......non-creative.
You still are missing the point.
Sure, government can “create” jobs. But if, in order to do so, it is taking wealth out of the economy that, left in the private sector, would create more jobs than government would use that wealth to create, then, in effect, government is destroying more jobs than it is creating. The net effect is that no, government is not actually creating jobs; there are fewer people working than if government left that wealth in the private sector, where it would do more good.
Where are the private market jobs from the last 5 years of tax cuts provided to the "job creators?" As we have learned, the hard way, providing tax cuts to someone for the sole reason that they make over a certain amount of money, regardless of whether they create jobs or not, or even invest it in this country, isn't working for the middle class, it is just increasing our federal debt.
Your argument would get a lot more traction ( at least with me) if you called for getting rid of ALL the bush tax cuts. I just have a problem picking on one group in the name of "shared sacrifice". Never before did we lower taxes while heading into war. Correct the entire mistake.
Your argument would get a lot more traction ( at least with me) if you called for getting rid of ALL the bush tax cuts. I just have a problem picking on one group in the name of "shared sacrifice". Never before did we lower taxes while heading into war. Correct the entire mistake.
You still are missing the point.
Sure, government can “create” jobs. But if, in order to do so, it is taking wealth out of the economy that, left in the private sector, would create more jobs than government would use that wealth to create, then, in effect, government is destroying more jobs than it is creating. The net effect is that no, government is not actually creating jobs; there are fewer people working than if government left that wealth in the private sector, where it would do more good.
The government can't create a job that produces anything that create wealth for the economy. Government jobs redestribute private money into the public sector.......but no new product of value is made......these are all service jobs......non-creative.
I would love to see the verifiable proof of those asserions and claims. Please do present it.
The government can't create a job that produces anything that create wealth for the economy.
:shock:
Wait, did you actually did say that?
Ever heard of education, the military, prosecutors, judges, or all those things?
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