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Government can't create jobs

Government can't create jobs

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VanceMack said:
Do they sell those products and in a substantial manner so as to turn a profit and make the organization self-sustainable/self funding?
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It's called licensing. Not to mention patents. But what you do not realize is that NASA is in many ways the same as the defense industry. Government funds breakthroughs that the private sector commercializes. To say "no wealth is created" is to basically pretend that every drug, manufacturing process and applied material that was created by the government is not wealth. That would be stupid.

then the answer is no...they dont create wealth.
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By that measure, mining gold but breaking even does not create wealth, even what you "created" that will far appreciate the costs to dig it out. Is that intelligent?

Could you run a business where you demanded others pay your start-up costs, salaries of employees, make something you want to make regardless of the market, operate at a loss, and still consider yourself a viable business? Of course not.
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You'd be surprised how many businesses actually do that.
 
VanceMack said:
And apparently, even though they know each new 'job' actually costs the taxpayers about 200k, they still find it is worth it.
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That only holds true if the person in the new job spends no money, eats no food, pays no taxes, has no housing and only spends time at work like a robot.

The 200k number has been thoroughly debunked as stupid and only used by the economically illiterate. You going to be illiterate or actually show you understand economics?
 

we have a birthrate that is barely at replacement levels - in fact, among citizens, our birthrate is below replacement levels. When birthrates drop off, of course, they tend to destroy a nation over time. no country, for example, has ever come back once its' fertility rate has fallen below 1.8. Among westernized nations, the trend is increasingly demonstrated in the failure of the entitlement programs - not enough young workers exist to continue to prop up elderly retirees. That is why Greece, Italy, Portugal, and Spain are doomed to collapse - there is no bailout that can go backwards in time 30 years and fix Greece's 1.2 fertility rate to give her more workers. Greece, instead, is doomed, and the only real question is the extent to which the rest of Europe is willing to waste themselves trying to prop it up.

In the interest of acting for the greater good of ALL American people, therefore, I suppose we can expect you to begin agitating for the outlawing of homosexuality, and the mandating of child-rearing by women?
 
LesGovt said:
Let's look at this another way. The jobs at Solyndra were created by the Federal Government. They sort of went away, but if it weren't for the Federal Government, those jobs would not have been created... and then lost.
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Come again? Solyndra existed prior to the loan.

If the jobs at Solyndra were created by the Federal government, then it would first be a government agency and all the money would have been from the government. That is not the case.

You going to start using facts or just keep blabbering?
 

VANCE

You going to reply to this or pretend it does not exist because it blows solar system size holes in your arguments?
 
Catawba said:
And if states decide they do not want to place a high priority for public education or transportation, what then?
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Then you honestly believe a bloated federal bureaucracy would make a difference? Just plain silly. It amazes me how readily people kneel at the alter of a federal government that has shown itself to be so incredibly incompetent.
 

I'm not opposed to cutting waste from any federal department or program. I was referring earlier to cpwills notion that the Departments of Education and Transportation should be eliminated. Also, I can see that children, who we will depend on for the future of the country should not have to endure an inferior education, because of screwed up priorities of the people that run a particular state. I see the countries transportation system in the same light, as it benefits the whole country, not just the citizens of that state.
 
HAHAHHAHA

In typical losing fashion, someone's spamming the poll anonymously.

I bet I can guess who's the immature one here. The fact that the person doing it didn't know the poll was PUBLIC is a big help in figure out who it is.

All my polls are public for this reason. It's easy to figure out who's the immature one who relies upon spamming a poll rather than making a decent argument.
 
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I'll let the Harvard economists fight that fight. I'll let Geitner and his own words stand for themselves. And I'll let your own snotty little comments speak for you.
 
VanceMack said:
I'll let the Harvard economists fight that fight. I'll let Geitner and his own words stand for themselves. And I'll let your own snotty little comments speak for you.
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You hardly need to be a Harvard Economists to realize that the 200k is entirely retarded. The 200k assumes that there is no tax levied on that income and none of the income is spent. Does that sound like an intelligent argument you should be making?

PS. I'm snotty because you are arrogant and wrong.
 
VanceMack said:
Then you honestly believe a bloated federal bureaucracy would make a difference? Just plain silly. It amazes me how readily people kneel at the alter of a federal government that has shown itself to be so incredibly incompetent.
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So you would be cool with say Kentucky teaching young earth creationism as fact and that dinosaur bones were put here by devil?
 
obvious Child said:
VANCE

You going to reply to this or pretend it does not exist because it blows solar system size holes in your arguments?
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CHILD

No one denies infrastructure is necessary. No one denies there are levels of necessary spending. My earlier comments stand...I will create MILLIONS of jobs. I will send out armies of people to pick up trash...perform free babysitting, clean graffiti. All YOU have to do is give me the money. We wont charge anyone for the service (other than you-and dont worry...if you dont have the money you can pass the cost on to your kids...and your grandkids). You wont get a say in who I hire or what I have them do. We wont show a profit. But hey...THEY will have jobs. And your grandchildren will be stuck with the bill. Who cares how much it costs?
 
winston53660 said:
So you would be cool with say Kentucky teaching young earth creationism as fact and that dinosaur bones were put here by devil?
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You may have missed it there ace, but Kentucky can do it NOW...even with a bloated fed bureaucracy. Again...its absolutely PATHETIC the faith you put in the federal government. Not surprising...but pathetic.
 
cpwill said:
so selfish of us Americans, to want to live free of the tender controls of our Superiors.
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Only 0.4% of voters feel that the Departments of Education and transportation are tyrannical.



we had a civil war fundamentally over slavery, and fundamentally because of the attempt to impose a federal solution.
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And rightfully so, considering some of the states solutions were to continue slavery.


Yes, the libertarian party shares in your interpretation of the Constitution, I would suggest you vote for their candidate since you share their views.


I wholeheartedly agree, which is why I oppose handing that mission to our least efficient level of government. That's like asking your loser high-school-drop-out brother in law to do your taxes for you.
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Just as some states saw nothing wrong with enslaving people, some states might wish to place lesser priority on education and transportation that would not consider what was the greater good for the country as a whole.



agreed! so you will stand with us as we move to break the power of the public sector unions which stand against improving it?
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The unions have improved education for the highest percentage of all the people.



looks like someone didn't watch the Fox/Google Republican debates
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Are you referring to Ron Paul, or one of the others candidates with even less of chance of winning a general election?
 
 

We have no shortage of workers, we have a shortage of jobs due to the last 30 years of trickle down economics that has eroded the middle class buying power.
 
Hey, Obviously a Child...your tax argument aside...how much sustained national debt will your grandchildren be paying for the LAST round of 'stimulus' debt? Long term thinking (or...just...you know...thinking) not really a strong suit for ya huh? Lets see...400 billion (rounded down) added to the last 800 billion...added to the existing debt...plus the reduction in credit rating...ummm...carry the two...so...you are cool with your grandkids and great-grandkids (assuming the nads actually drop and you pull off the feat) paying for more and more federal debt that YOU endorsed. Well...makes sense.
 
 
 
Catawba said:
Only 0.4% of voters feel that the Departments of Education and transportation are tyrannical.
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Gallop: 49% of Americans believe the Federal Government has become an immediate threat to the rights and freedoms of ordinary citizens

And rightfully so, considering some of the states solutions were to continue slavery.
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indeed - there are specified areas where the Federal Government is given authority. Madison called these "distinct and enumerated" powers.

Yes, the libertarian party shares in your interpretation of the Constitution, I would suggest you vote for their candidate since you share their views.
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it seems an increasing portion of the populace shares my interpretation; and Republican Candidates are announcing their intent to either end or severely curtail the Department of Education.

Just as some states saw nothing wrong with enslaving people, some states might wish to place lesser priority on education and transportation that would not consider what was the greater good for the country as a whole.
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and some states might choose not to force their people to breed, which would mean a loss for the country as a whole.

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.
- C S Lewis


The unions have improved education for the highest percentage of all the people.
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:lamo

thanks to public sector unions our education spending over the past few decades has exploded, even while test scores have generally flatlined, and drop-out rates have increased, especially in our minority populations. any attempt to reform the system to allow our poor a way into a more successful system is consistently and often effectively opposed by the Unions whose failure it highlights.

Are you referring to Ron Paul, or one of the others candidates with even less of chance of winning a general election?
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:roll: even Democrats are abandoning Obama now. he's toast.
 
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It is stupid to jeopardize education that is vital for our future while simultaneously providing tax cuts to those that don't need them.
 
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Catawba said:
It is stupid to jeopardize education that is vital for our future while simultaneously providing tax cuts to those that don't need them.
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You and the other fed dependents are the only ones pretending that 1-under the fed involvement education is thriving and 2-those poor widdle states cant be responsible for their education needs. Geez...are you STILL attached to an umbilical cord too?
 
 
Catawba said:
We have no shortage of workers,
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in fact we do.
 
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