Discrimination occurs every day. That point was very clear. Let me know if you struggle with big words.
Oh know...I quite understand the laws. I get that they change fairly regularly. The point was made very clearly. The law very clearly allows for discrimination...it occurs every day. Maybe someday soon EVERYONE will have their own special protected class.Oh look, another one who thinks the world is black and white.
Public accommodation laws protect race, gender, religion, and in many states sexuality. That's it. Are you discriminating on the basis of one of those characteristics? if so, you're in trouble. Any other characteristic? Go for it. You can kick someone out of your business for having red hair. That's legal. Enjoy.
Women's gyms tend to fall under exemptions based on privacy, wherein the gym is treated like a locker room or bathroom. Although I assume this varies by state.
Did you discriminate against allowing the 33 year old man into your retirement community? Did you discriminate against allowing a man into your womens gym? Surely you created a handicap bathroom to accommodate for handicapped patrons...then the law MUST insist you create a mens bathroom for your male customers...right?Yes, it does. This morning I discriminated against toast by making waffles instead.
Is there something that makes you think this is relevant to public accommodation laws?
Oh know...I quite understand the laws. I get that they change fairly regularly. The point was made very clearly. The law very clearly allows for discrimination...it occurs every day. Maybe someday soon EVERYONE will have their own special protected class.
Did you discriminate against allowing the 33 year old man into your retirement community? Did you discriminate against allowing a man into your womens gym? Surely you created a handicap bathroom to accommodate for handicapped patrons...then the law MUST insist you create a mens bathroom for your male customers...right?
Discrimination occurs every day.
Discrimination occurs every day. That point was very clear. Let me know if you struggle with big words.
Only certain people ARE protected. There are 'protected classes' of citizens. As to the all or nothing thinking...that seems rather a stupid statement coming from you considering your position on people choosing to not make a cake for a gay wedding.You apparently don't understand the laws because you seem under the impression that only certain people are protected.
You are protected by public accommodation laws, dude.
So either all discrimination must be legal or no discrimination can be legal. Those are the only two options?
Its already proven. Discrimination exists...often with legal coverage.You made an analogy with zero applicability to the topic. I'm sure it sounded clever inside your head, but it was pretty stupid. Feel free to prove otherwise.
Of course it is. You may wish to look it up and I assure you that denying it will not not make it any less bigoted.It is not bigotry.
Lets not. Stupid analogies only hurt your position of defending bigotry.Let's put it this way.
I read "Dang, they got us, now we have to scramble to save face."
I've got a question about all this.
Let's say that there are 10 bakeries in the local area. Nine of the bakeries are pretty generic but one specializes in Christian themed goods. They primarily make cakes, cookies and cupcakes decorated with angels, crosses and other Christian themed adornment. They don't have a sign on their door or anything that says "Christians Only" but it's pretty obvious what their business model is. Now a gay couple decides to get married. They have been very active in the "gay rights" movement and want to make a statement so they intentionally choose this particular baker to provide a cake for their wedding because they are sure that there will be resistance. Sure enough, the Christian baker turns the job down based on their religious convictions.
Now here's the question, in this scenario who is discriminating against whom?
Is there something in the Bible that says "Thou shall not bake fabulous cupcakes for homosexuals?" I don't see how icing rainbows on a freakin' cupcake will make one gay, accepting of gays, or, in the very least, go against their religion. It's just business.
And, BTW, if I'm not mistaken, aren't there Christian religions who are accepting of homosexuality?
I'm not talking about a customer purchasing the general merchandise. If they chose to simply not serve homosexuals that would be a completely different matter (and I have no idea how they would make that determination at a glance). At issue is whether they should have to provide a special service or product that is contrary to their legitimate religious beliefs.
Actually Indiana's law does. This is how it is different than other states.
Why wouldnt posting it be required? Otherwise how would people know that they cannot do business there?
Businesses do it all the time now anyway. (Shoes, shirts, skateboards, smoking, guns, etc) Why? So they dont have to waste time and effort dealing with people or issues they dont want to.
If you want that freedom to not associate, then the sign allows you to do exactly that. Signs allow one to avoid 'association.'
You made an analogy with zero applicability to the topic. I'm sure it sounded clever inside your head, but it was pretty stupid. Feel free to prove otherwise.
Is there something in the Bible that says "Thou shall not bake fabulous cupcakes for homosexuals?" I don't see how icing rainbows on a freakin' cupcake will make one gay, accepting of gays, or, in the very least, go against their religion. It's just business.
And, BTW, if I'm not mistaken, aren't there Christian religions who are accepting of homosexuality?
No it wouldn't. The additional language applies to civil lawsuits, and the rest is nearly identical to other states.
Only certain people ARE protected. There are 'protected classes' of citizens. As to the all or nothing thinking...that seems rather a stupid statement coming from you considering your position on people choosing to not make a cake for a gay wedding.
It was the customers choice to engage the baker and their intent to cause discord so I would TOTALLY disagree with that assessment.
Doesn't mean the states argument was convincing. :shrug:
The argument that someone must serve others is just not terribly convincing, sorry.
I've got a question about all this.
Let's say that there are 10 bakeries in the local area. Nine of the bakeries are pretty generic but one specializes in Christian themed goods. They primarily make cakes, cookies and cupcakes decorated with angels, crosses and other Christian themed adornment. They don't have a sign on their door or anything that says "Christians Only" but it's pretty obvious what their business model is. Now a gay couple decides to get married. They have been very active in the "gay rights" movement and want to make a statement so they intentionally choose this particular baker to provide a cake for their wedding because they are sure that there will be resistance. Sure enough, the Christian baker turns the job down based on their religious convictions.
Now here's the question, in this scenario who is discriminating against whom?
Ah, I think in many cases, it's easy to determine sexual preference.
They could put up signs if they want, but after a while everyone would know who they serve and who they don't. The point is, that businesses that do that and survive would likely be few and far between, as it is now, without any government intervention. Completely unnecessary. The solution is not always to surrender more freedoms to the government, it rarely ends up as a good thing.
So then in order to exercise their freedom of association, they would choose to associate with <insert group> in order to tell them they wouldnt associate with them?
LOLOL Ah the irony.
Second, Indiana's labor force is located primarily in medium-sized and smaller cities rather than in very large and expensive metropolises. This makes it possible for firms to offer somewhat lower wages for these skills than would normally be paid. Firms often see in Indiana a chance to obtain higher than average skills at lower than average wages
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