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Got a friend or family member here illegally? Tell them they can get $1000 and a free flight to self-deport!

I was mocking your xenophobic rant.

how is illegally here in the USA xenophobic ? I'd REALLY like to here you explain that

"dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries."

it has nothing to do with that at all - NOTHING ..... its that they are here illegally. Do you not understand that ?


So, can you tell me how much ignant white boys cost society? Just plug those fields I mentioned into the Big Balls Magic Pimple Machine.
I wonder if people hated your ancestors as well. I'm part Irish. They hated mine.

are the ignant white boys citizens of the USA and legally here ?
 
As I said, I'd love to see an actual cost analysis. You guys tolerate a lot of wild shit if ROI can be demonstrated.

36 pages of costs ... and I barely scratched the surface of all that illegally here people have done to US Citizens


 
how is illegally here in the USA xenophobic ?
English, please. Rant. Your xenophobic rant. Everything you ranted on about is done by all kinds of people, everywhere. as we type. Including ignant white boys.

That you single out immigrants is xenophobic. You know this.

I'd REALLY like to here you explain that

"dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries."

it has nothing to do with that at all - NOTHING ..... its that they are here illegally. Do you not understand that ?
No, I don't understand gibberish.

are the ignant white boys citizens of the USA and legally here ?
Don't care. My rant is racist. I leave the xenophobia to you.
 
36 pages of costs ... and I barely scratched the surface of all that illegally here people have done to US Citizens



OK, now I just need the breakout of how much Americans save due to reduced labor costs, as well as how much these millions of people put into your economy in the form of purchases and sales tax.
 
OK, now I just need the breakout of how much Americans save due to reduced labor costs, as well as how much these millions of people put into your economy in the form of purchases and sales tax.
It's more than that. Much more.

Regardless of costs, if all the illegals were removed, construction in this area would halt. Without illegal immigrants, houses won't get built.

People don't seem to understand that, especially in the US, populations evolve and grow. The mechanisms of a free economy haven't changed much, but the groups of people who perform menial and undesirable tasks have typically been newly arrived immigrants. If you were an Irish immigrant in 19th century Chicago, you would be taking a job sticking pigs for 12 hours a day. By the 20th century, your descendants would be Chicago cops. Today, O'Mally & O'Mally proudly adorns the posh office on State St. downtown.

An oversimplification, for sure. But the US was built on immigration, and today's poor Hispanic immigrants are filling roles historically taken by others in the same situation. Hispanic immigrants made the leap from fruit picker to attorney general long ago, but as there were still Irish pig stickers in 1920's Chicago, we still need Hispanic farm and construction workers. And...Hispanics have been the pig stickers for some time. The meat packing industry depends on them.
 
It's more than that. Much more.

Regardless of costs, if all the illegals were removed, construction in this area would halt. Without illegal immigrants, houses won't get built.

People don't seem to understand that, especially in the US, populations evolve and grow. The mechanisms of a free economy haven't changed much, but the groups of people who perform menial and undesirable tasks have typically been newly arrived immigrants. If you were an Irish immigrant in 19th century Chicago, you would be taking a job sticking pigs for 12 hours a day. By the 20th century, your descendants would be Chicago cops. Today, O'Mally & O'Mally proudly adorns the posh office on State St. downtown.

An oversimplification, for sure. But the US was built on immigration, and today's poor Hispanic immigrants are filling roles historically taken by others in the same situation. Hispanic immigrants made the leap from fruit picker to attorney general long ago, but as there were still Irish pig stickers in 1920's Chicago, we still need Hispanic farm and construction workers. And...Hispanics have been the pig stickers for some time. The meat packing industry depends on them.

I agree with all of this, but I'd still be interested in seeing it mathematically represented in numbers.

It's really strange how the richest country in the world needs a peasant class. You might be getting a little top heavy.
 
I agree with all of this, but I'd still be interested in seeing it mathematically represented in numbers.
I would as well, but the economics of migration seem to hold true historically regardless of changing attitudes on immigration.

It's really strange how the richest country in the world needs a peasant class. You might be getting a little top heavy.
The American Dream has always been dependent on working class people. Sticking pigs was preferential to famine. Many immigrants came not seeking riches but escaping danger. Much like today. The idea is to move up.

The economic model is one of growth and wealth creation. Ignoring institutionalized racism and other discriminatory laws and practices, progress can be seen in succeeding generations as I described.

There are no Irish pig stickers today. Meat packing is the domain of Hispanic immigrants. If all the immigrants disappeared tomorrow, the Irish couldn't step in and fill the role they once had. And even if they could, today's descendants of 19th century immigrants are likely educated and have no plans to work butchering dead animals.

Houses used to be built by English speaking workers. No more. As with the meat packers, if the construction workers disappeared tomorrow, houses wouldn't get built. Construction is not as undesirable as pig sticking, but the reality of the situation is that this workforce is now composed of Spanish speaking people. They are trained and reliable. There is no surplus of English speaking construction workers. Any change to the workforce takes time, and any sudden decrease in trained workers will raise the cost of labor.

The only difference between a 19th century immigrant and today's illegal immigrants is documentation. A piece of paper. Something with all the meaning of a pen stroke. The reality of economics has shown to be stronger than the piece of paper, and this is something xenophobes refuse to acknowledge.
 
English, please. Rant. Your xenophobic rant. Everything you ranted on about is done by all kinds of people, everywhere. as we type. Including ignant white boys.

if the white boys are illegally here yes they're included

That you single out immigrants is xenophobic. You know this.
that's a bold faced lie - show me any posts I've made singling out immigrants

ILLEGALLY here people yes - that's not immigration, that's coming here illegally


No, I don't understand gibberish.
Don't care. My rant is racist. I leave the xenophobia to you.

no idea what you're talking about
 
OK, now I just need the breakout of how much Americans save due to reduced labor costs, as well as how much these millions of people put into your economy in the form of purchases and sales tax.

is it worth all the rape/murder/robberies/crime/drug trafficking/human trafficking/kid abuse ..................


yes, yes it is according to Democrats (what it appears, they fight hard to keep them here)
 
if the white boys are illegally here yes they're included
You're not catching on. I don't debate xenophobic arguments. I mock them. I'm bored with it now.


that's a bold faced lie - show me any posts I've made singling out immigrants

ILLEGALLY here people yes - that's not immigration, that's coming here illegally
You just don't get it. Your argument is xenophobic. Based on a piece of paper. Because of that, looks racist too.

no idea what you're talking about
Yes, I can see that. Time for some news.


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Do you hate that white boy as much as you hate the Spanish speaking guy putting roofs on houses?

Wishing you a wonderful Tuesday.
 
You're not catching on. I don't debate xenophobic arguments. I mock them. I'm bored with it now.
because its not xenophobic - its anybody here illegally


You just don't get it. Your argument is xenophobic. Based on a piece of paper. Because of that, looks racist too.
no, it isn't

I don't discriminate - its a legal vs illegal thing and only that


Yes, I can see that. Time for some news.


Do you hate that white boy as much as you hate the Spanish speaking guy putting roofs on houses?

Wishing you a wonderful Tuesday.

its not hate

its being here illegally and I don't care if they're white/brown/red/grey/black/woman/man/tall/short/fat/skinny .....


your side REALLY has a hard time understanding that ??
 
OK, now I just need the breakout of how much Americans save due to reduced labor costs, as well as how much these millions of people put into your economy in the form of purchases and sales tax.

I think you're right - its all about money and Democrats love love LOVE the cheap labor/human trafficking and all the sex trafficking, drug trafficking, murders, rapes, child abuse etc ?

its worth it



its not to me
 
It's more than that. Much more.

Regardless of costs, if all the illegals were removed, construction in this area would halt. Without illegal immigrants, houses won't get built.
there was never construction before all the illegally here ?

lol


People don't seem to understand that, especially in the US, populations evolve and grow. The mechanisms of a free economy haven't changed much, but the groups of people who perform menial and undesirable tasks have typically been newly arrived immigrants. If you were an Irish immigrant in 19th century Chicago, you would be taking a job sticking pigs for 12 hours a day. By the 20th century, your descendants would be Chicago cops. Today, O'Mally & O'Mally proudly adorns the posh office on State St. downtown.

An oversimplification, for sure. But the US was built on immigration, and today's poor Hispanic immigrants are filling roles historically taken by others in the same situation. Hispanic immigrants made the leap from fruit picker to attorney general long ago, but as there were still Irish pig stickers in 1920's Chicago, we still need Hispanic farm and construction workers. And...Hispanics have been the pig stickers for some time. The meat packing industry depends on them.

not illegally here, no

I'd guess as high as 50-70 % of illegally here people aren't working - they don't

that's all liberal media lies = illegally here people suck from the USA people and the system and that's how it goes when you allow millions of poverty people, unskilled and uneducated to pour across your border



that's the truth of it - come here legally? absolutely - we're the best country in the world for legal immigration. Come here illegally? unacceptable
 
because its not xenophobic - its anybody here illegally



no, it isn't

I don't discriminate - its a legal vs illegal thing and only that




its not hate

its being here illegally and I don't care if they're white/brown/red/grey/black/woman/man/tall/short/fat/skinny .....


your side REALLY has a hard time understanding that ??
I have more important things to do than participate in xenophobic postings. I said what I wanted to say. You hate people because of a piece of paper. The guy building houses for your neighbor, you hate. You don't hate the white boy. Because - piece of paper.

You have a good day man. I have the River Festival coming up.


Wha'cha think? I never was a Spin Doctors fan, but they're playing Friday. I've heard of Alien Ant Farm but not familiar with their music. I like new stuff, even if it's just new to me. I've still not done the River Rally. $180 for 6 people is cheap, but I've not found five other people to go with. Lol. Chickens. Looks like a blast.

Again, you have a good day. Don't let the dehumanized people get you.
 
I think you're right - its all about money and Democrats love love LOVE the cheap labor/human trafficking and all the sex trafficking, drug trafficking, murders, rapes, child abuse etc ?

its worth it



its not to me

lol... do you really think Democrats "LOVE" the downside? That's your position? lol Ok... :rolleyes:🤭

Is your position that no Republicans employ illegal labor? I'll need a link for that one, bud...hehe

I'm not sure why you're throwing down against me here, all I said is that it would be interesting. I haven't once said whether I personally think it's worth it or not, right or not, whatever. Maybe put down the script, bud, curiosity shouldn't be met with such hysteria and gnashing of teeth.
 
remove all illegally here people - nobody and I mean NOBODY should disagree with that

no nation in the world allows millions to live in their country without them knowing who they are - that's only a liberal Democrat thing in the USA isn't it ?

Yeah. I disagree. I say give them amnesty. We need the people.
 
I have more important things to do than participate in xenophobic postings. I said what I wanted to say. You hate people because of a piece of paper. The guy building houses for your neighbor, you hate. You don't hate the white boy. Because - piece of paper.

You have a good day man. I have the River Festival coming up.


Wha'cha think? I never was a Spin Doctors fan, but they're playing Friday. I've heard of Alien Ant Farm but not familiar with their music. I like new stuff, even if it's just new to me. I've still not done the River Rally. $180 for 6 people is cheap, but I've not found five other people to go with. Lol. Chickens. Looks like a blast.

Again, you have a good day. Don't let the dehumanized people get you.

why be so dishonest in your postings ?


oh well ... that's on you, not me
 
lol... do you really think Democrats "LOVE" the downside? That's your position? lol Ok... :rolleyes:🤭
I mean .... yes I think that has to be true.

Who fights hard to keep millions coming here illegally? Its Democrats and they KNOW all the bad that happens ... they don't care, its very much worth it to them


Is your position that no Republicans employ illegal labor? I'll need a link for that one, bud...hehe

I'm not sure why you're throwing down against me here, all I said is that it would be interesting. I haven't once said whether I personally think it's worth it or not, right or not, whatever. Maybe put down the script, bud, curiosity shouldn't be met with such hysteria and gnashing of teeth.

because when it comes to murders/rapes/human trafficking/sex & child abuse .... its baffling how Democrats can fight so hard to keep allowing it

isn't it ?
 
Yeah. I disagree. I say give them amnesty. We need the people.

that won't work - you see, until we have a secured border nothing else matters. They don't care about our laws




A man accused of raping a corpse on a Manhattan subway train ..
 
I mean .... yes I think that has to be true.

Who fights hard to keep millions coming here illegally? Its Democrats and they KNOW all the bad that happens ... they don't care, its very much worth it to them




because when it comes to murders/rapes/human trafficking/sex & child abuse .... its baffling how Democrats can fight so hard to keep allowing it

isn't it ?

I mean, it's kind of a hard question to answer, because your question assumes I agree with your misrepresentation of the issue, which I don't.

Look, I know you've got big feelings around the Democrats, that doesn't make you different, they have big feelings around you guys. I don't think anyone on the left fails to understand the fact that A) the problems you are outlining already have laws to manage those issues, and B) that criminals, irrespetive of where they hail from, or what their status in your country is, should face the consequences inherent to those laws, should they break them.

I think everyone weighs this issue according to their own sense of morality and basic human decency. Is the problem so bad that all illegals should be subjected to treatment void of respect or dignity, after contributing to your country despite not enjoying the same benefits of citizens? Statistically it would seem not, as they commit crimes at a lower rate than citizens, and the number of illegal immigrants that get charged with a crime (other than being in the country illegally, of course) is statisitcally insignificant when compared against those who don't.

And for all that you get a work force willing to do the jobs Americans don't want to do, for wages Americans wouldn't accept, a portion of those wages going back to business and government in the form of retail purchases and sales tax.

If your whole argument is that all these people should be demonized by the worst few, well, you might be confused as to why you don't get traction, but I'm not.

This is why I'm interested in the cost analysis, and why you should be too, if you think they are such a drain on your society. It would be much easier to make your point than with some anecdotal nonsense that focuses on the exception, not the rule.

Again, I'm not assigning a "right" or a "wrong" here. Were I to do that, I would have to express my amazement that the richest country on the planet requires a peasant class. That's pretty ****ed up, bud...lol... Same as your health care system, for the same reason. I don't like how they are being treated, especially the attempts to dehumanize by the current administration and it's supporters. It truly exposes a moral deficiency.

But I know better than to have that fight with you... lol... Which is why I haven't really been having it. All of this came out of a simple curiosity to see the numbers. Weird that that threatened you into creating such flatulent responses that really didn't have much to do with what I said in the first place.
 
I mean, it's kind of a hard question to answer, because your question assumes I agree with your misrepresentation of the issue, which I don't.

Look, I know you've got big feelings around the Democrats, that doesn't make you different, they have big feelings around you guys. I don't think anyone on the left fails to understand the fact that A) the problems you are outlining already have laws to manage those issues, and B) that criminals, irrespetive of where they hail from, or what their status in your country is, should face the consequences inherent to those laws, should they break them.

I think everyone weighs this issue according to their own sense of morality and basic human decency. Is the problem so bad that all illegals should be subjected to treatment void of respect or dignity, after contributing to your country despite not enjoying the same benefits of citizens? Statistically it would seem not, as they commit crimes at a lower rate than citizens, and the number of illegal immigrants that get charged with a crime (other than being in the country illegally, of course) is statisitcally insignificant when compared against those who don't.

how are they treating our laws, our country, our citizens by coming here illegally ?

yes - no country in the world allows millions and millions to flow in unchecked - nobody does

And for all that you get a work force willing to do the jobs Americans don't want to do, for wages Americans wouldn't accept, a portion of those wages going back to business and government in the form of retail purchases and sales tax.
that's BS - jobs people will do or machines will do, but using a slavish type workforce is what Democrats want instead. Its outside US Labor laws and should never be accepted


If your whole argument is that all these people should be demonized by the worst few, well, you might be confused as to why you don't get traction, but I'm not.
no, demonize fairly and equally

demonize every drunk driver
demonize every car jacker
demonize every home invader
demonize everybody here illegally


This is why I'm interested in the cost analysis, and why you should be too, if you think they are such a drain on your society. It would be much easier to make your point than with some anecdotal nonsense that focuses on the exception, not the rule.
to me there is no cost analysis that justifies

if being here illegal = profits, then everyone can renounce citizenship, live here outside out tax laws, don't have to follow laws, get free this and that ... how wonderful that's be right ?
 
Again, I'm not assigning a "right" or a "wrong" here. Were I to do that, I would have to express my amazement that the richest country on the planet requires a peasant class. That's pretty ****ed up, bud...lol... Same as your health care system, for the same reason. I don't like how they are being treated, especially the attempts to dehumanize by the current administration and it's supporters. It truly exposes a moral deficiency.

But I know better than to have that fight with you... lol... Which is why I haven't really been having it. All of this came out of a simple curiosity to see the numbers. Weird that that threatened you into creating such flatulent responses that really didn't have much to do with what I said in the first place.

I don't understand going back to this "morality" thing

Its a humanitarian crisis to human traffic people to the southern border and dump them. Every kid is abused in some way along the way (lets be honest, if I were to drag a 12 year old 1200 miles with little food/water and through the conditions they do, I'd have my kid taken from me by social services)

  • The group Border Angels estimates that since 1994, about 10,000 people have died in their attempt to cross the border. According to the U.S. Customs and Border Protection, 8,050 people have died crossing the U.S–Mexico border between 1998 and 2020.
  • For instance, Wikipedia notes that some estimates suggest up to 80% of women and girls from Central America are sexually assaulted during their journey to the US.
  • In Fiscal Year 2022 (FY2022), immigration authorities encountered over 152,000 unaccompanied minors at or near the U.S.-Mexico border. While a majority of these children were 15 years or older, authorities also detained infants and toddlers, according to the Council on Foreign Relations. Additionally, over 128,000 unaccompanied minors were received by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services in 2022, reported by Save the Children.

Crazy huh?

And keeping the flow going is what Democrats/Biden have done for 4 years




Trump has stopped it - and now? He working hard to get this country where it has few if any illegally here people and that's exactly where every country wants to be and should be
 

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