GOP. What does the party of law and order tell itself when trump defies a judges orders?

[Old 'N Chill]

2016: Trump received 63 million votes

2020: Trump received 74 million votes

2024: Trump received 77.3 million votes

2016
trump 62,984,828
Clinton 65,853,514

2020
trump 74,223,975
Biden 81,283,501

2024
trump 77,301,997
Harris 75,017,626
(FOX9)

• Donald Trump’s victory in individual votes marks the first time in 20 years the Republican presidential candidate won the popular vote.

 

[CLAX1911]

Educating means providing evidence that what you say is valid.

No it means helping you understand why you're wrong.

The evidence is in the Constitution.

You are simply ignorant of it. I'm sorry.

I have all the evidence I need. A court ruling and constitutional support for it

Makes claims but provides no evidence to back them up.

Don't need to. You can be wrong.

 

[multivita-man]

No it means helping you understand why you're wrong.

The evidence is in the Constitution.

You are simply ignorant of it. I'm sorry.

I have all the evidence I need. A court ruling and constitutional support for it

Don't need to. You can be wrong.

Yeah, anyway, it's illegal to defy a judge's orders. It's called contempt of court.

 

[bongsaway]

They don't understand this has been at the sole discretion of the executive for decades.

Nope, incorrect. Are we at war with someone?

 

[bongsaway]

HR2 passed in the House, but the democrats dropped the ball in the Senate, instead came up with a BS NON border bill they lied about......and even still the gullible minions parrot the lying bs talking points, lol.

Besides all of this with both bills not able to get through both chambers, it only took a new President to get it done and done fast.....good job America.

A president with control of all three branches of government, you forgot that part. The GOP will rubber stamp anything trump puts forward. We had a border bill under Biden that both sides agreed with, until trump stepped in and killed it so stop complaining that your one sided border bill didn't pass.

 

[bongsaway]

Yet, it has been YOU blaming Twump on high egg prices or are you now backpedaling?

Show me where I blamed trump for the high price of eggs. I've blamed him for not bringing them down on day one. Hell no I'm not backpedaling, I just bought eggs and they are still costly.

 

[Aristaeus]

Bring on those justifications, I'm curious to hear them.

Obviously the judge is conducting lawfare/a DEI hire/woke/a deep state operative*
Trump is therefore completely justified in ignoring the court order.

*delete as appropriate.

 

[WorldWatcher]

SCTOUS held in Ludecke v. Watkins that removals under the Alien Enemies Act are not subject to judicial review. The Executive is not bound by unconstitutional orders issued by a rogue judge.

Ludecke was also removed during a period of declared war. Remember the surrender of Japan and armastice of 1945 didn't officially end the war (although those dates are often citied) it was still on the books until peach treaties were formalized years later.

Ludeche then fell under one of the two conditions to invoke the act: (A) Declared war, which only Congress can do, or (B) invasion by a foreign government on US soil.

WW

 

[markdc]

@bongsaway
“GOP. What does the party of law and order tell itself when trump defies a judges orders?”

Republicans, who had for decades touted themselves as the party of law and order (especially during the summer of 2020 when Leftists were burning down American cities and attacking police officers), irrevocably lost that title in the days following January 6, 2021.

For a long time, I believed that Republicans respected and admired law enforcement officers while Democrats scorned them. Now I know that neither party values law enforcement—unless it’s politically convenient to do so.

Mark

 

[Napoleon]

Ludecke was also removed during a period of declared war. Remember the surrender of Japan and armastice of 1945 didn't officially end the war (although those dates are often citied) it was still on the books until peach treaties were formalized years later.

Ludeche then fell under one of the two conditions to invoke the act: (A) Declared war, which only Congress can do, or (B) invasion by a foreign government on US soil.

WW

What the Act says is that the President makes that determination:

“…the President of the United States shall make public proclamation of the event…”

And the President’s authority to remove aliens under the Act derives from that proclamation:

“And the President of the United States shall be, and he is hereby authorized, in any event, as aforesaid, by his proclamation thereof, or other public act, to direct the conduct to be observed, on the part of the United States, towards the aliens who shall become liable, as aforesaid…”

What SCOTUS held in Ludecke is that whether or not these conditions exist or events have taken place is a political decision Congress empowered the President to make and in which the Judiciary has no Constitutional role. As they noted in their decision:

“Accordingly, we hold that full responsibility for the just exercise of this great power may validly be left where the Congress has constitutionally placed it -- on the President of the United States. The Founders, in their wisdom, made him not only the Commander in Chief, but also the guiding organ in the conduct of our foreign affairs.”

 

[redbeer]

A president with control of all three branches of government, you forgot that part. The GOP will rubber stamp anything trump puts forward. We had a border bill under Biden that both sides agreed with, until trump stepped in and killed it so stop complaining that your one sided border bill didn't pass.

Both sides didn't agree with it, as you say......just a few on the right sided.....hell, it was nothing similar to HR2, a true border bill. HR2 did pass in the House but the democrats shelved it in the Senate, then came up with a bs bill to use politically and even got people like you still spewing the bs, lol. The left wants open borders with an endless flow of people coming into our country unvetted.....as we all saw under Biden, and the bill you speak of would have given them their dreams come true.

 

[redbeer]

Show me where I blamed trump for the high price of eggs. I've blamed him for not bringing them down on day one. Hell no I'm not backpedaling, I just bought eggs and they are still costly.

Do you honestly believe Trump can bring the price of eggs down on day one, when they have been killing hundreds of millions of egg laying chickens the previous three years?

 

[bongsaway]

Both sides didn't agree with it, as you say......just a few on the right sided.....hell, it was nothing similar to HR2, a true border bill. HR2 did pass in the House but the democrats shelved it in the Senate, then came up with a bs bill to use politically and even got people like you still spewing the bs, lol. The left wants open borders with an endless flow of people coming into our country unvetted.....as we all saw under Biden, and the bill you speak of would have given them their dreams come true.

All I'm hearing from you is...waaaaaaaaaa!

 

[bongsaway]

Do you honestly believe Trump can bring the price of eggs down on day one, when they have been killing hundreds of millions of egg laying chickens the previous three years?

I didn't make the promise, trump did, argue with him.

 

[humbolt]

Meanwhile, you cheer a rapist, fraud, convicted felon. bone stupid criminal moron, and traitor to your country.

A district federal judge does not and cannot dictate national policies to the Executive. Besides, Boasberg is deluded, claiming his judicial power does not stop at the water’s edge. He’s a nut, and that’s something right in your wheelhouse, there.

 

[WorldWatcher]

What the Act says is that the President makes that determination:

“…the President of the United States shall make public proclamation of the event…”

Now let's look at that in context of what the law says.

The law ISN'T that the President gets to make any old proclemation and then can violate due process. The law specifically says that when a foreign government or nation INVADES the US, that the President can make such a declaration.

So when did the government of Venezuela invade the US. Was it a land attack, seaborne landing on the beach, or did they parachute troops into Wyoming?

WW

 

[Napoleon]

Now let's look at that in context of what the law says.

The law ISN'T that the President gets to make any old proclemation and then can violate due process. The law specifically says that when a foreign government or nation INVADES the US, that the President can make such a declaration.

So when did the government of Venezuela invade the US. Was it a land attack, seaborne landing on the beach, or did they parachute troops into Wyoming?

WW


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Incorrect. The law says - as I quoted - that the conditions exist if the President says they do by proclamation and that is what SCOTUS held in Ludecke. The President has issued such a proclamation:

Invocation of the Alien Enemies Act Regarding the Invasion of The United States by Tren De Aragua

BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA A PROCLAMATION Tren de Aragua (TdA) is a designated Foreign Terrorist Organization with thousands of

www.whitehouse.gov

Your agreement with that determination is not required and neither is that of the judiciary per SCOTUS in Ludecke.

 

[WorldWatcher]

Incorrect. The law says - as I quoted - that the conditions exist if the President says they do by proclamation and that is what SCOTUS held in Ludecke. The President has issued such a proclamation:

Invocation of the Alien Enemies Act Regarding the Invasion of The United States by Tren De Aragua

BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA A PROCLAMATION Tren de Aragua (TdA) is a designated Foreign Terrorist Organization with thousands of

www.whitehouse.gov

Your agreement with that determination is not required and neither is that of the judiciary per SCOTUS in Ludecke.

Except the courts don't go with what the White House feeds you, the courts go (at least they should) with what the law passed by Congress says. Calling a criminal gang a terrorist organization does not activate the AEA.

The law says the act can be invoked under two conditions: declared war or invasion by a foreign government.

Neither condition exists.

Oh and the 1948 Ludecke case is a different situation since it was based on a declared war by Congress. While the Japanese and Germans had surrendered the formal peach treaty wasn't signed until - IIRC - 1950 or 1951.

There has been no declaration of war by Congress and a foreign government has not invaded US soil.

WW

 

[The AntiDonald]

What?......now the left is in support of violent gang members here illegally? What has become of your party?

Other than Trump's word, can you or anyone prove they are violent gang members? We know nothing about any of them. Not even their names.

JFTR, I don't support violent gang members. I do support due process under the law and the constitution.

The president can't just send out his goon squad, round up 200 brown skinned people and disappear them without an immigration hearing. We are not at war; we are not being invaded as border crossings are at an all-time low.

 

[redbeer]

Other than Trump's word, can you or anyone prove they are violent gang members? We know nothing about any of them. Not even their names.

JFTR, I don't support violent gang members. I do support due process under the law and the constitution.

The president can't just send out his goon squad, round up 200 brown skinned people and disappear them without an immigration hearing. We are not at war; we are not being invaded as border crossings are at an all-time low.

Saying this, while supporting the lawless facilitating of illegals into our nation, lol.

 

[Napoleon]

Except the courts don't go with what the White House feeds you, the courts go (at least they should) with what the law passed by Congress says. Calling a criminal gang a terrorist organization does not activate the AEA.

These decisions are not subject to judicial review per SCOTUS. The condition exists if the President says it does by proclamation. That is what the law says and what SCOTUS decided. You should read the proclamation.

 

[WorldWatcher]

These decisions are not subject to judicial review per SCOTUS.

False.

Actions taken under the law are ALWAYS subject to judicial review.

And since this case doesn't meet the conditions of either the law, nor meet the conditions of the Ludecke decision. Trumps actions can be reviewed.

The condition exists if the President says it does by proclamation. That is what the law says and what SCOTUS decided. You should read the proclamation.

False again.

The President doen't get to make up his own conditions. Calling a group a terrorist organization does not meet the conditions required by the law.

The President CAN make a proclamation about a foreign government invasion only - wait for it - a foreign government actually invades.
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So when did the government of Venezuela invade the US. Was it a land attack, seaborne landing on the beach, or did they parachute troops into Wyoming?

WW

 

[The AntiDonald]

Do you honestly believe Trump can bring the price of eggs down on day one, when they have been killing hundreds of millions of egg laying chickens the previous three years?

Then why did he promise he would many times over? Is Trump actually that stupid? Never mind, I already know the answer.

 

[Napoleon]

False.

Actions taken under the law are ALWAYS subject to judicial review.

And since this case doesn't meet the conditions of either the law, nor meet the conditions of the Ludecke decision. Trumps actions can be reviewed.

False and that is staggering ignorance of the separation of powers. Read the law and the decision. Your opinion is not consistent with the legal and constitutional landscape is.

False again.

The President doen't get to make up his own conditions. Calling a group a terrorist organization does not meet the conditions required by the law.

The President CAN make a proclamation about a foreign government invasion only - wait for it - a foreign government actually invades.

You could at least do the due diligence before shooting from the hip. This isn’t hoodlums in Harlem. Tren de Aragua and the Maduro regime have become so intertwined as to be indistinguishable.

 

[WorldWatcher]

False and that is staggering ignorance of the separation of powers. Read the law and the decision. Your opinion is not consistent with the legal and constitutional landscape is.

Sure it is.

I've quoted the law.

And there is no current Constitutional landscape where Trump calling a criminal organization a Terrorist Group equals being invaded by a foreign government.

You could at least do the due diligence before shooting from the hip. This isn’t hoodlums in Harlem. Tren de Aragua and the Maduro regime have become so intertwined as to be indistinguishable.

Not shooting from the hip.

I'm perfectly fine with arresting them, charging them, and allowing them due process.

It is due diligence to expect that the President actually faithfully execute the laws as he swore to do and make stuff up.

WW