GOP to Launch a New Assault on Obamacare, Planned Parenthood

[Dittohead not!]

sure it would. if I can go to ND and get the same policy only 500 bucks cheaper why wouldn't I?
no federal regulations are required.

Because the policy from ND may not meet the standards of the state where you live. If, on t he other hand, that company is selling in your state, then you can buy a policy from them.

yet costs are higher than what they were 10 years ago.

Yes, and they were higher 10 years ago than they were 20 and so on. Double digit increases in costs are nothing new. That's t he core of the problem.

ignoring the article doesn't help your case.



we can do it without the government involved.

Government actually does serve a purpose. Anarchy is not a good system.

deductibles are for the year not month.

Correct, but that has nothing to do with my post.

yep something we can do with a new healthcare plan we don't need government run healthcare. it doesn't work.



no unregulated spending will do that.

yep and we can make the system affordable without UHC which will cost even more.
if you spent per capita 10k per person for medical care that would amount to 3 trillion dollars.
and 10k is a drop in the bucket.

Every other modern nation on Earth has UHC, and they all pay a lot less than we do. 10K per person for medical care is a "drop in the bucket??" The actual cost is nearing 9K on average in the USA, or $36,000 for a family of four. That has to be close to the median income for everything. In other countries, the ones that do have UHC, it's a lot less than that. Use a high deductible catastrophic care package that covers everyone, and soon we'd be paying less than everyone else, not more.

Ideology is all well and good, but paying more and not getting more is a poor plan.

 

[disneydude]

Nice dramatic article on Huffpo.

Ryan's legislation targets the ACA by ordering the repeal of several key parts of the law, including the mandate for people to purchase health care, the cost-controlling Independent Payment Advisory Board, a tax on medical devices, and the so-called "Cadillac plan" tax on high-cost health insurance.

OMG! It's an assault on Cadillac plan taxes! Everyone grab your guns! Protect yourselves! We need anarchy! This shall not happen!

Its funny that Republicans would try to repeal the mandate....since the insurance mandate was a Republican idea to begin with. The mandate became part of the ACA as a way to appeal to the bluedog Democrats and Republicans who opposed the public option. This just shows how hypocritical the Republican party has become. They embraced the idea when the Heritage Foundation promoted it...but became adamant proponents of "NO" when Obama included it in the ACA.

 

[disneydude]

Well, ObamaCare has been a assault on this Country for 5 years now

It should be repealed and ASAP

Sold as a " free market " solution its really just the Government mandating the purchase of a Governemt created product sold under false pretenses

It's a disastrous piece of legislation and theres no " fixing it _

If you ACTUALLY believe that Republicans want to repeal Obamacare...then you truly are gullible.

 

[disneydude]

And now there's this:

Attorney General finds no evidence of Planned Parenthood selling fetal tissue | News, Weather, Sports, Breaking News | KRCG

One more thing for Carly Fiorina to lie about!

 

[ludin]

Because the policy from ND may not meet the standards of the state where you live. If, on t he other hand, that company is selling in your state, then you can buy a policy from them.

again who cares. we are talking about healthcare and health coverage not regulations.
yet I have to pay the same high price that other people in the state pays I can't get the lower costing plan.
it kind defeats the purpose.

Yes, and they were higher 10 years ago than they were 20 and so on. Double digit increases in costs are nothing new. That's t he core of the problem.

it shows that obamacare has done nothing to lower costs.

Government actually does serve a purpose. Anarchy is not a good system.

good thing I never said anything about anarchy. yep government is good at some things monitoring and giving out healthcare is no one of them.

Every other modern nation on Earth has UHC, and they all pay a lot less than we do. 10K per person for medical care is a "drop in the bucket??" The actual cost is nearing 9K on average in the USA, or $36,000 for a family of four. That has to be close to the median income for everything. In other countries, the ones that do have UHC, it's a lot less than that. Use a high deductible catastrophic care package that covers everyone, and soon we'd be paying less than everyone else, not more.

Ideology is all well and good, but paying more and not getting more is a poor plan.

Yeah and if all your friends jumped off a bridge.
I don't care what other countries do. I see what other countries do and I don't want what they have.
I don't want huge taxes on top of having to pay for private insurance.
I don't want to way over a year to see a doctor.
I want the best healthcare possible not the LCD healthcare the government thinks I need or my family.

no thanks.

that is why I like what signapore has setup only I would tweak it bit here.

 

[ludin]

Its funny that Republicans would try to repeal the mandate....since the insurance mandate was a Republican idea to begin with. The mandate became part of the ACA as a way to appeal to the bluedog Democrats and Republicans who opposed the public option. This just shows how hypocritical the Republican party has become. They embraced the idea when the Heritage Foundation promoted it...but became adamant proponents of "NO" when Obama included it in the ACA.

Is the ACA the GOP health care plan from 1993? | PunditFact
I get so sick of this lie.

it was 1 republican that promoted an idea and it was scuttled in the house because no one on the republican side voted for it.
re-rewriting history won't make it any truer the next time you say it.

However, to call it the Republican plan, as though a majority of Republicans endorsed it, goes too far. The House Republicans took a different path, and there was opposition from more hard-line members of the Republican coalition. It is telling that the Chafee bill never became a full blown bill and never came up for a vote.

everything they are wanting to scuttle should be scuttled.

 

[Mycroft]

Here's the latest reason to toss Obamacare in the trash...

ObamaCare’s latest victims: 100,000 New Yorkers and taxpayers everywhere

Bad news for New Yorkers, thanks to ObamaCare: More than 100,000 policyholders just learned that their Health Republic insurance plans will be canceled on Dec. 31. The start-up insurer (spun off from the Freelancers’ Union) is hemorrhaging red ink and has to close down.

That’s unfortunate for the policyholders, who now have to scramble to find other coverage and try to keep their doctors.

But even worse is the abuse of taxpayers across the country: Congress loaned a whopping $2.5 billion of taxpayers’ money to Health Republic of New York and 22 other boondoggle insurance co-ops, even after being warned by its own budget experts that many co-ops would fail and not repay the loans.

How carelessly politicians spend other people’s money.

If anything, the experts’ warnings were understated. Across the nation, 21 out of the 23 co-ops are either shut down already or losing money. And it’s your money going down the rathole.

The Obama administration itself labeled six of the co-ops in critical condition. Too bad it refuses to disclose which ones: Policyholders deserve as much warning as possible that their insurance may be on the rocks.

Thank the left-wingers in Congress and the Obama White House who concocted this scheme back in 2010 for this mess.

Abhorring for-profit insurance companies, they insisted that the Affordable Care Act establish nonprofit insurance cooperatives to compete with big players like Aetna and Humana.

Preposterously, the Obama administration specified that the co-ops be run by novices with no history of ties to the insurance industry. As if measuring risk and pricing policies is something that requires no expertise.

Obama administration rules also barred the start-ups from spending money on advertising or marketing to make their products known. Why? Because the left has always blamed the high cost of health insurance on ad spending. It was a formula for failure.

A wacky ideological agenda doomed these co-ops from the start.

~

When you want to solve a complex problem like increasing access to health care and controlling costs, look to the marketplace, not the ivory-tower wonks and community activists whose hubris is rivaled only by their lack of practical knowledge.

ObamaCare’s latest victims: 100,000 New Yorkers and taxpayers everywhere | New York Post

 

[solletica]

Republicans are fast becoming irrelevant if this is all they have to get elected with.

No, they also use muslum, gay, and Latino bashing, and finally "GUNS! GUNS! GUNS!"

 

[Kobie]

Evening Pol, when you read through Obamcare it takes a dozen lawyers to cipher it for you. It is a fargin mess. But then again wasn't it Pelosi who said they had to pass the bill in order for all of us to know what was in it? The truth is everyday folks are tired of the sh*t being passed into law. Sh*t that stinks to high heaven. Sh*t that endangers peoples constitutional rights. Sh*t that enables federal government to further limit the constitutional rights of state governments. Sh*t that continues to increase the national debt that we just can't accommodate.

It's SH*T that we find ourselves looking for boots, hip boots to wade through. Simply Sh*t.

Not sure why you started ranting about Obamacare when Polgara asked about government subsidies for Planned Parenthood, given that the two are entirely unrelated.

 

[tres borrachos]

Its funny that Republicans would try to repeal the mandate....since the insurance mandate was a Republican idea to begin with. The mandate became part of the ACA as a way to appeal to the bluedog Democrats and Republicans who opposed the public option. This just shows how hypocritical the Republican party has become. They embraced the idea when the Heritage Foundation promoted it...but became adamant proponents of "NO" when Obama included it in the ACA.

A very few Republicans supported the idea of an individual mandate, more than 2 decades ago. They didn't "embrace" the Heritage Foundation's idea. Paul Ryan was probably in High School at the time.

And why do Republicans today have to subscribe to the thinking that people many years before them do? By your logic Barack Obama should think it's a great idea to inter Japanese Americans because FDR did.

 

[American]

I find it ironic that Republicans are relying on the same procedural process used to pass Obamacare (a tactic that they denounced as "unconstitutional" and "forcing it down our throats") to try and defund Obamacare.

I also hope that the conservatives in the House and Senate (and in the general public) can feel good about FINALLY getting something done...by passing a pointless piece of legislation and making Obama go through the STRENUOUS process of signing along the Veto line.

Obamacare was passed through the use of bribery.

 

[cpwill]

I find it ironic that Republicans are relying on the same procedural process used to pass Obamacare (a tactic that they denounced as "unconstitutional" and "forcing it down our throats") to try and defund Obamacare.

Indeed. And the irony is delicious. That which lives by reconciliation, can die by reconciliation.



Or, you know, the next POTUS just using his pen and phone to do whatever the heck he wants.




You guys did realize you were setting precedent, right?

 

[humbolt]

Obamacare was passed through the use of bribery.

I wonder how Bart Stupak feels today, considering the PP flap and the big promise Obama gave him for his vote.

 

[disneydude]

Is the ACA the GOP health care plan from 1993? | PunditFact
I get so sick of this lie.

it was 1 republican that promoted an idea and it was scuttled in the house because no one on the republican side voted for it.
re-rewriting history won't make it any truer the next time you say it.

However, to call it the Republican plan, as though a majority of Republicans endorsed it, goes too far. The House Republicans took a different path, and there was opposition from more hard-line members of the Republican coalition. It is telling that the Chafee bill never became a full blown bill and never came up for a vote.

everything they are wanting to scuttle should be scuttled.

LOL...the only "lie" is that because the Republicans didn't vote for it, it wasn't a Republican idea. The fact that the party of NO would go so far to oppose everything that Obama proposed doesn't change the fact that the "Insurance Mandate" was a REPUBLICAN IDEA that originates from the Heritage Foundation. It was a REPUBLICAN IDEA that was put into the ACA in hopes that Blue Dogs and Republicans would then sign on to the ACA. Obama was naïve in believing that he could compromise with the party of NO. But sorry Ludin....the insurance mandate was and always will be a Republican idea.

 

[disneydude]

A very few Republicans supported the idea of an individual mandate, more than 2 decades ago. They didn't "embrace" the Heritage Foundation's idea. Paul Ryan was probably in High School at the time.

And why do Republicans today have to subscribe to the thinking that people many years before them do? By your logic Barack Obama should think it's a great idea to inter Japanese Americans because FDR did.

The insurance mandate was a Republican idea....not something that only very few Republicans supported. You need to check your history Tres.

 

[ludin]

LOL...the only "lie" is that because the Republicans didn't vote for it, it wasn't a Republican idea. The fact that the party of NO would go so far to oppose everything that Obama proposed doesn't change the fact that the "Insurance Mandate" was a REPUBLICAN IDEA that originates from the Heritage Foundation. It was a REPUBLICAN IDEA that was put into the ACA in hopes that Blue Dogs and Republicans would then sign on to the ACA. Obama was naïve in believing that he could compromise with the party of NO. But sorry Ludin....the insurance mandate was and always will be a Republican idea.

yep you continue to tell the lie but go ahead. 1 republican that isn't all republicans nor does it make it a republican idea.
I just posted the link that says you are wrong. at least now it is out there for everyone to see your dishonesty.

there was no compromise which is why not one republican voted for it and why democrats has to use an unconstitutional procedure to put it in place.

 

[Fenton]

The insurance mandate was a Republican idea....not something that only very few Republicans supported. You need to check your history Tres.

Then why didn't the Democrats running in the 2014 Midterms just say it was a Republican idea ?

Instead of pretending ObamaCare didn't exist ?

 

[disneydude]

yep you continue to tell the lie but go ahead. 1 republican that isn't all republicans nor does it make it a republican idea.
I just posted the link that says you are wrong. at least now it is out there for everyone to see your dishonesty.

there was no compromise which is why not one republican voted for it and why democrats has to use an unconstitutional procedure to put it in place.

Sorry....but you are just plain and simply wrong. Obama was naïve in believing that he could get the Party of NO to compromise by including the Republican Insurance Mandate in the ACA. The fact that the party of NO refused to compromise does not mean that the insurance mandate was a REPUBLICAN IDEA. You can't change history Ludin.....sorry.

 

[disneydude]

Then why didn't the Democrats running in the 2014 Midterms just say it was a Republican idea ?

Instead of pretending ObamaCare didn't exist ?

They didn't pretend that ObamaCare didn't exist. I don't know where you are getting that. What is even more telling is that ever since the Republicans gained the majority in both houses...they have been a lot more quiet about repealing the ACA. The reality is....they don't want to repeal it.

 

[ludin]

Sorry....but you are just plain and simply wrong. Obama was naïve in believing that he could get the Party of NO to compromise by including the Republican Insurance Mandate in the ACA. The fact that the party of NO refused to compromise does not mean that the insurance mandate was a REPUBLICAN IDEA. You can't change history Ludin.....sorry.

I believe the politifact you have yet to disprove it wrong.
yep we know that Obama refused to compromised and had to pass obamacare by an unconstitutional method thanks for clearing that up for everyone.
yes we know you can't change history that is why I posted the link so you could actually educate yourself.

 

[ludin]

They didn't pretend that ObamaCare didn't exist. I don't know where you are getting that. What is even more telling is that ever since the Republicans gained the majority in both houses...they have been a lot more quiet about repealing the ACA. The reality is....they don't want to repeal it.

yes they did. every democrat and their brother was trying to run as far away from obamacare as they could.
of course it didn't work which is why democrats have been slaughtered in the past 2 election cycles for the house and senate.

nope they passed a recent repeal and in fact have passed another repeal of obamacare.

the next step will be to eliminate it the same way that it was put in.

 

[betuadollar]

If I was running for election the first thing I would do is offer to write off the entire 1 tril in student loan debt. And I'd throw out Bush's legislation that made default on student loan debt impossible. The second thing I would do is discard the Obamacare mandate; no young person who cannot afford insurance should be further burdened by government. And you know, no one remembers JFK anymore; it was JFK who said "No doctor should ever make less than $20. a visit." Doctors thus freed of the moral imperative of their hippocratic oath, immediately doubled their fees. And they've been overcharging ever since; I'd address medical costs and our fee-per-services system. I would de-centivize outsourcing. And the loss of capital investment, our tax system. I'd lean heavily on illegal immigration. And I'd push economy, jobs, and opportunity. Guantanamo? No... throw them into county jails, let general population sort them out. The ME? No... who cares? American oil, hell yes! Nuclear power? Hell yes! I'd rain in that regulation that inhibits growth. Budget reconciliation? Gone. Partisan politics? Gone. There's a lot we could do if we had just one decent president. But they're all dirtbags and have been for as long as I can remember.

 

[Fenton]

They didn't pretend that ObamaCare didn't exist. I don't know where you are getting that. What is even more telling is that ever since the Republicans gained the majority in both houses...they have been a lot more quiet about repealing the ACA. The reality is....they don't want to repeal it.

The hell they didn't.

What I'm getting at is ObamaCare was a huge albatross in the 2014 Midterms. Democrats didn't mention it, brag about it, didn't acknowledge its existence for fear of losing the election. ( they got creamed anyway )

So why didny they just tell everyone that is was a GOP idea ?

 

[MrT]

Indeed. And the irony is delicious. That which lives by reconciliation, can die by reconciliation.

Or, you know, the next POTUS just using his pen and phone to do whatever the heck he wants.

You guys did realize you were setting precedent, right?

First off, good luck convincing the next President to erase the health insurance of millions of individuals or to cut the subsidies necessary for them to pay for their insurance.

Second, the precedent that the Republicans are using does them about as much good as invoking the nuclear option. It gains Republicans nothing because they can't override a Presidential veto and it can likely backfire, at least in the instance of the nuclear option, because a simple majority (46 democrats + 5 republicans) becomes enough to advance legislation in the Senate.

 

[minnie616]

Or it could be that they know their constituents actually want some of these parts of the ACA repealed and want no more federal funds to go to Planned Parenthood and instead want those funds to go to other healthcare providers to assist the poor, and they're doing the jobs they were elected to do. Imagine that?

Medicaid reimbursements already go to all private doctors , all heathcare clinics and all other healthcare providers that participate in Medicaid programs to assist the poor.