GOP take control of Congress, then plan to cut Medicare and SSA. Who cudda guessed?

[pbrauer]

Re: GOP take control of Congress, then plan to cut Medicare and SSA. Who cudda guesse

Uhm, Obama cut 700 Billion from Medicare for Seniors and where were you ?

I didn't see you come in here and start 1 thread complaining about his 700 Billion dollar Medicare cuts.

Well, that's not true, it's a lie promulgated by Romney/Ryan during the presidential campaign.

Mitt Romney said Barack Obama robs Medicare of more than $700 billion to pay for Obamacare | PolitiFact

 

[haymarket]

Re: GOP take control of Congress, then plan to cut Medicare and SSA. Who cudda guesse

[h=1]In Control, Republicans See Budget as Way to Push Agenda[/h]
Well, the Ryan Plan was a flim-flam, that used magic asterisks to make unfounded assumptions and raised the deficit, not lowered it. Now, the GOP wants to make it real law.

Just like I have been saying for many many months now - the path to a Democratic landslide in 2016 is for the GOP to win control of Congress and then put forth right wing crap that Obama can veto and rally the country against right wing extremism. Then the GOP true believers can get really pissed and nominate a zealot like Paul or Cruz in 2016 and we can see a repeat of Goldwater in 64 when Dems won big from coast to coast with just a few exceptions.

This article shows the rabid right cannot resist the bait.

 

[Fearandloathing]

Re: GOP take control of Congress, then plan to cut Medicare and SSA. Who cudda guesse

[h=1]In Control, Republicans See Budget as Way to Push Agenda[/h]
Well, the Ryan Plan was a flim-flam, that used magic asterisks to make unfounded assumptions and raised the deficit, not lowered it. Now, the GOP wants to make it real law.

Based on what I have for health care and Obama's idea of what the "stupid voter" will swallow, I encourage Republicans to strip the mother****er to the bone.

 

[LagerHead]

Re: GOP take control of Congress, then plan to cut Medicare and SSA. Who cudda guesse

[h=1]In Control, Republicans See Budget as Way to Push Agenda[/h]
Well, the Ryan Plan was a flim-flam, that used magic asterisks to make unfounded assumptions and raised the deficit, not lowered it. Now, the GOP wants to make it real law.

What could be worse than cutting poorly run programs that amount to taxes on the poor to support the middle class? I certainly can't think of anything.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

Re: GOP take control of Congress, then plan to cut Medicare and SSA. Who cudda guesse

What could be worse than cutting poorly run programs that amount to taxes on the poor to support the middle class? I certainly can't think of anything.

How about allowing that money to be given to the wealthy who then stash it away in the Cayman Islands and other offshore bank accounts?

 

[Fletch]

Re: GOP take control of Congress, then plan to cut Medicare and SSA. Who cudda guesse

Just like I have been saying for many many months now - the path to a Democratic landslide in 2016 is for the GOP to win control of Congress and then put forth right wing crap that Obama can veto and rally the country against right wing extremism. Then the GOP true believers can get really pissed and nominate a zealot like Paul or Cruz in 2016 and we can see a repeat of Goldwater in 64 when Dems won big from coast to coast with just a few exceptions.

This article shows the rabid right cannot resist the bait.

LOL. There wont be any actual cuts, there never are. But what there will be is lots of lying by the left about it that's for sure.

 

[LagerHead]

Re: GOP take control of Congress, then plan to cut Medicare and SSA. Who cudda guesse

How about allowing that money to be given to the wealthy who then stash it away in the Cayman Islands and other offshore bank accounts?

Are you claiming that money is being taken out of Social Security, etc. and given to select wealthy individuals? If so, can you please provide the proof?

 

[Unitedwestand13]

Re: GOP take control of Congress, then plan to cut Medicare and SSA. Who cudda guesse

Are you claiming that money is being taken out of Social Security, etc. and given to select wealthy individuals? If so, can you please provide the proof?

No but I don't think you can proove that cutting social security funding would cause no consequences.

 

[LagerHead]

Re: GOP take control of Congress, then plan to cut Medicare and SSA. Who cudda guesse

No but I don't think you can proove that cutting social security funding would cause no consequences.

I'll tell ya what: Provide proof either that money is being taken out of Social Security and other government programs and given to wealthy folks, OR provide proof that I said that cutting Social Security funding would have no consequences. I will accept either.

 

[haymarket]

Re: GOP take control of Congress, then plan to cut Medicare and SSA. Who cudda guesse

LOL. There wont be any actual cuts, there never are. But what there will be is lots of lying by the left about it that's for sure.

Time will tell.

 

[MTAtech]

Re: GOP take control of Congress, then plan to cut Medicare and SSA. Who cudda guesse

What could be worse than cutting poorly run programs that amount to taxes on the poor to support the middle class? I certainly can't think of anything.

Are you trying to say that Medicare and Social Security are poorly run programs? If so, you are factually incorrect. Social Security runs on a 1% overhead rate and it doesn't have multi-million dollar salaried executives, like private pension systems. Medicare also runs more efficiently than private insurance. If you look at the bottom of Table 13, on this link (NHE web data (pdf)) you’ll see that Medicare payments have grown 1% point more slowly than insurance premiums over the past 40 years. If insurance premiums had risen only as much as Medicare spending, they'd be 1/3 lower than they are.

One can try to mask slashing Medicare and Social Security by claiming that it is all about "helping the poor" and eliminating inefficiency. It just isn't true. The true (and obvious) motive of the right-wing to cut Social Security and Medicare is that the rich don't need either program, since they fund their retirement and health care on their own.

 

[LagerHead]

Re: GOP take control of Congress, then plan to cut Medicare and SSA. Who cudda guesse

Are you trying to say that Medicare and Social Security are poorly run programs?

I'm not trying to say it. I said it. In 2010, the Social Security program ran a $49 billion deficit. If that isn't poorly run, I don't know what is. The current trust fund that has been built to pay out benefits will run out in 2033, about the time I'm going to be thinking about retirement.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/06/opinion/sunday/social-security-its-worse-than-you-think.html

If so, you are factually incorrect. Social Security runs on a 1% overhead rate and it doesn't have multi-million dollar salaried executives, like private pension systems.

So you have some sort of evidence that shows that the more executives are paid in a company, the worse it is run? If so, I would love to see it.

Medicare also runs more efficiently than private insurance. If you look at the bottom of Table 13, on this link (NHE web data (pdf)) you’ll see that Medicare payments have grown 1% point more slowly than insurance premiums over the past 40 years. If insurance premiums had risen only as much as Medicare spending, they'd be 1/3 lower than they are.

The rate of growth of premiums is not an indicator of how well a program is run. In addition, this source doesn't indicate whether or not the numbers are adjusted for inflation, which also makes a difference.

One can try to mask slashing Medicare and Social Security by claiming that it is all about "helping the poor" and eliminating inefficiency. It just isn't true. The true (and obvious) motive of the right-wing to cut Social Security and Medicare is that the rich don't need either program, since they fund their retirement and health care on their own.

Hate to break it to you, but your barbs against the "right-wing" are misdirected at me. I was simply pointing out that the government programs are poorly run and they are a tax on the poor that disproportionately support the middle class.

 

[MTAtech]

Re: GOP take control of Congress, then plan to cut Medicare and SSA. Who cudda guesse

I'm not trying to say it. I said it. In 2010, the Social Security program ran a $49 billion deficit. If that isn't poorly run, I don't know what is. The current trust fund that has been built to pay out benefits will run out in 2033, about the time I'm going to be thinking about retirement.

There is a bit of dis-ingenuousness in your statement. First, your link is to an opinion piece, not something from the news department of the New York Times. Second, the time period, 2010, that you are stating that Social Security ran a deficit, the government had a moratorium on contributions. The serious thing to say here is that on current projections, Social Security faces a shortfall, NOT bankruptcy, a quarter of a century from now. OK, I guess that’s a real concern. But compared to other concerns, it’s really pretty minor, and doesn’t deserve a tenth the attention it gets.

It’s also worth noting that even if the trust fund is exhausted and no other financing provided, Social Security will be able to pay about three-quarters of scheduled benefits, which would mean real benefits higher than it pays now. So, it’s worth keeping this in perspective, especially when you look at the solutions "reformers" propose, which all seem to involve reducing benefits now so we don't -- um -- reduce benefits decades in the future.

As for your claim the programs like Social Security are "a tax on the poor that disproportionately support the middle class," that can be solved by having the income subject to SSA raised. Moreover, employers pay half of SSA taxes that the beneficiary enjoys.

 

[jonny5]

Re: GOP take control of Congress, then plan to cut Medicare and SSA. Who cudda guesse

[h=1]In Control, Republicans See Budget as Way to Push Agenda[/h]
Well, the Ryan Plan was a flim-flam, that used magic asterisks to make unfounded assumptions and raised the deficit, not lowered it. Now, the GOP wants to make it real law.

And whats wrong with that? Those programs need to be fixed. If congress wont do it, I think the President should just dictate they be fixed.

 

[countryboy]

Re: GOP take control of Congress, then plan to cut Medicare and SSA. Who cudda guesse

LOL. There wont be any actual cuts, there never are. But what there will be is lots of lying by the left about it that's for sure.

Lib definition of "cut". A slight, even minuscule reduction in the rate of increase. :roll:

 

[Greenbeard]

Re: GOP take control of Congress, then plan to cut Medicare and SSA. Who cudda guesse

And whats wrong with that? Those programs need to be fixed. If congress wont do it, I think the President should just dictate they be fixed.

Per Capita Medicare Spending Is Actually Falling

SEPT. 3, 2014 Medicare spending isn’t just lower than experts predicted a few years ago. On a per-person basis, Medicare spending is actually falling.

If the pattern continues, as the Congressional Budget Office forecasts, it will be a rarity in the Medicare program’s history. Spending per Medicare patient has almost always grown more rapidly than the economy as a whole, often by a wide margin.

 

[jonny5]

Re: GOP take control of Congress, then plan to cut Medicare and SSA. Who cudda guesse

Per Capita Medicare Spending Is Actually Falling

The Trustees project that HI tax income and other dedicated
revenues will fall short of HI expenditures in most future years. The
HI trust fund does not meet either the Trustees’ test of short-range
financial adequacy or their test of long-range close actuarial balance.

http://www.cms.gov/Research-Statist...eports/ReportsTrustFunds/Downloads/TR2014.pdf

Social Security’s Disability Insurance (DI) program satisfies neither the
Trustees’ long-range test of close actuarial balance nor their short-range
test of financial adequacy and faces the most immediate financing shortfall
of any of the separate trust funds

http://www.ssa.gov/oact/TRSUM/tr14summary.pdf

 

[haymarket]

Re: GOP take control of Congress, then plan to cut Medicare and SSA. Who cudda guesse

I am very conservative on these matters and I was raised to be conservative fiscally. My father was a simple tool and die maker who drilled it into my head that you first pay the bills you owe before taking on new ones. Paying for the obligations we have already incurred as a society is something that we should never question. We have more than enough money to pay our SS obligations and we should honor our word to the hundreds of millions of people who kept theirs.

 

[jonny5]

Re: GOP take control of Congress, then plan to cut Medicare and SSA. Who cudda guesse

I am very conservative on these matters and I was raised to be conservative fiscally. My father was a simple tool and die maker who drilled it into my head that you first pay the bills you owe before taking on new ones. Paying for the obligations we have already incurred as a society is something that we should never question. We have more than enough money to pay our SS obligations and we should honor our word to the hundreds of millions of people who kept theirs.

We never authorized those bills. Thus its unjust to take my property and give it to someone else you promised money to.

 

[haymarket]

Re: GOP take control of Congress, then plan to cut Medicare and SSA. Who cudda guesse

We never authorized those bills. Thus its unjust to take my property and give it to someone else you promised money to.

What are you talking about? Who is the WE who never authorized "those bills"? You are making no sense.

 

[Unitedwestand13]

Re: GOP take control of Congress, then plan to cut Medicare and SSA. Who cudda guesse

We never authorized those bills. Thus its unjust to take my property and give it to someone else you promised money to.

So you never voted in an election for someone to represent you.

 

[molten_dragon]

Re: GOP take control of Congress, then plan to cut Medicare and SSA. Who cudda guesse

[h=1]In Control, Republicans See Budget as Way to Push Agenda[/h]
Well, the Ryan Plan was a flim-flam, that used magic asterisks to make unfounded assumptions and raised the deficit, not lowered it. Now, the GOP wants to make it real law.

It's never going to happen because senior citizens make up too much of the Republicans' support base. There's no quicker way to piss off old people than to talk about cutting their medicare and/or social security.

 

[Born Free]

Re: GOP take control of Congress, then plan to cut Medicare and SSA. Who cudda guesse

"The food in this restaurant is terrible -- and such small portions."

MTA you bit off more than you can chew on this thread. Does tail between the legs mean anything to you?

 

[MTAtech]

Re: GOP take control of Congress, then plan to cut Medicare and SSA. Who cudda guesse

We never authorized those bills. Thus its (sic) unjust to take my property and give it to someone else you promised money to.

Yup, because there just is something wrong with voting for candidates that promise to make your life better.

 

[TurtleDude]

Re: GOP take control of Congress, then plan to cut Medicare and SSA. Who cudda guesse

Yup, because there just is something wrong with voting for candidates that promise to make your life better.

what about the clowns who continue to vote for the party that claims that but never does it?