ricksfolly
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Dems failed to get the 60 votes, so the bill to extend unemployment insurance checks to millions of workers is still being held up by Rep filibuster. Bad move so close to elections.
ricksfolly
Thank god. Two years of unemployment benefits was not enough?
Unemployment checks are mostly used to buy things. With no more checks, the loss of millions of dollars spent in thousands of stores would halt any kind of recovery, just when we're starting to go around to the corner. It's not a matter of increasing the deficit, it's drawing it from the already approved $500 billion Tarp.
ricksfolly
Unemployment checks are mostly used to buy things. With no more checks, the loss of millions of dollars spent in thousands of stores would halt any kind of recovery, just when we're starting to go around to the corner. It's not a matter of increasing the deficit, it's drawing it from the already approved $500 billion Tarp.
ricksfolly
So my paying for other people's groceries while they sit on their couch is what is keeping the economy going?
Where do you think this money is coming from?
Unemployment checks are mostly used to buy things. With no more checks, the loss of millions of dollars spent in thousands of stores would halt any kind of recovery, just when we're starting to go around to the corner. It's not a matter of increasing the deficit, it's drawing it from the already approved $500 billion Tarp.
ricksfolly
I'm sorry but Unemployment checks, the so called jobs bill, more welfare for random stuff, etc. None of this will solve the jobless rate. Guess what, at every point during our history people have not had jobs. If we want jobs that were removed to be restored we should add a finite amount of jobs to research and do whatever we can to fix the economy in order for companies to start hiring workers. This way jobs are naturally recovered and we do not risk inflation.
I agree in principal, but not in practice. With no unemployment checks, who knows how many more foreclosures and family breakups there will be. It's not about long range effects, it never is, nobody can predict the future.
ricksfolly
Dems failed to get the 60 votes, so the bill to extend unemployment insurance checks to millions of workers is still being held up by Rep filibuster. Bad move so close to elections.
ricksfolly
The real point of your post, though, is that in the USA the loophole of the filibuster - which halts almost ALL activity in DC based on the childish whims of a few - is still legal.
At any time throughout our nation's history Congress could have ended the filibuster ability - altered how it function or completely got rid of it. But since it's so beneficial to one party or the other - it's still very much in tact.
Funny thing is that the last filibuster waged by the GOP was ended with a vote of cloture - however - this one's not? Who's votes are the missing? Drag them back from Key West and shove them into the roster.
The vote would not have been called if all they needed was for someone to fly back to DC and vote. It would have been postponed for a day or two to allow that person to get back. What is missing from the cloture vote is the support of all the Democrats.
Oh - so I guess they can't complain, can they? *sigh*
I just wish we had one mature person - just one - in all of DC
We are the ones that elect them... the fault is with the voters.
The real point of your post, though, is that in the USA the loophole of the filibuster - which halts almost ALL activity in DC based on the childish whims of a few - is still legal.
Halting Congress's law making is bad? Have you seen most of the laws these guys have passed? Better that anything slows down that process then to see Congress be able to pass any crap they want.
So it's mature and reasonable to just talk and talk and talk and talk and talk and talk and talk and talk and talk and talk and talk especially when half the jibber they talk about isn't even related to politics at all - like - the phone book?
How is abusing power mature, right or responsible? If they spent that filibuster time actually being ACTIVE then maybe we'd be in a completely different boat right now.
Republicans and a dozen Democratic defectors in the Senate on Wednesday dealt a defeat to President Obama, just days after he pressed Congress to renew pieces of last year's economic legislation.
After coming out on the losing end of a 52-45 test vote, Obama's Democratic allies have been forced back to the drawing board in their efforts to extend unemployment benefits for the long-term jobless and provide $24 billion in aid to cash-strapped state governments.
Democrats seeking to reduce the measure's deficit impact are looking at rolling back last year's $25 a week increase in unemployment checks and giving doctors just a short reprieve from scheduled cuts in their Medicare payments.
I can't envision the working man paying money so the unemployed man doesn't have to obtain a job(as evidenced by Civil1z@tion) as a good thing. Furthermore Civil1z@tion pointed out that when unemployment benefits decrease there are an increasing amount of people with jobs. Sounds like a win-win in my opinion, we spend less and save more in order to have more people working which further stimulates the economy.I agree in principal, but not in practice. With no unemployment checks, who knows how many more foreclosures and family breakups there will be. It's not about long range effects, it never is, nobody can predict the future.
ricksfolly
The working man doesn't pay money so the unemployed man doesn't have to obtain a job. Taxes collected from employers are used to pay the the unemployment insurance collected by the unemployed.
I don't know what the rules are in other states, but in Oklahoma a person collecting unemployment money from the state is a person who has to prove that she/he is actively seeking employment. Otherwise the person can be denied the unemployment money.
The way a filibuster works is they have to stand on the floor speaking the entire time so that no one else can take the floor. Now unless there was just a hold put on the legislation (which is a lot more typical these days) they would basically have to stand up there and talk, or they would lose the floor, and the vote could be called.
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