GOP pushes schools to post all class materials online...

[smallvoice]

The bolded is evidence you have joined the attack on public education for political purposes. Teachers and principals have tried for decades to work with parents to advance each student's education. Parents are not locked out. That is a myth. Any parent can contact their child's teacher. Any parent can make a complaint to the building principal. Any parent is welcome to attend school board meetings. Any parent is welcome to run for the school board.
The right wing crazies have again pulled this old wedge issue out for a new run. Why are your children so susceptible to imagined indoctrination? It is pure and simple an attack on public education, which the right has never been to fond of.

Nothing "political " about it. What are you afraid will get out?

 

[Bullseye]

The bolded is evidence you have joined the attack on public education for political purposes.

Speak for yourself.

Teachers and principals have tried for decades to work with parents to advance each student's education.

In the past that might have been true; today we have everyone from the ex-Governor of New York on down saying that it's not the parent's business what the school is teaching. Ironically, this may be the only good thing to come out of the pandemic; parents staying home got an opportunity to see what's being taught to their kids and many didn't like it.

Parents are not locked out. That is a myth. Any parent can contact their child's teacher. Any parent can make a complaint to the building principal. Any parent is welcome to attend school board meetings. Any parent is welcome to run for the school board.

Many have tried and expressed frustration by the way they were dismissed.

The right wing crazies have again pulled this old wedge issue out for a new run. Why are your children so susceptible to imagined indoctrination? It is pure and simple an attack on public education, which the right has never been to fond of.

When schools actually TAUGHT there was no problem; today's propaganda brainwashing is different. Why are teachers and social administrators so afraid to present their lessons?

 

[JMR]

Nothing "political " about it. What are you afraid will get out?

LOL.....thanks for proving my point.

 

[JMR]

Speak for yourself.


In the past that might have been true; today we have everyone from the ex-Governor of New York on down saying that it's not the parent's business what the school is teaching. Ironically, this may be the only good thing to come out of the pandemic; parents staying home got an opportunity to see what's being taught to their kids and many didn't like it.

Many have tried and expressed frustration by the way they were dismissed.

When schools actually TAUGHT there was no problem; today's propaganda brainwashing is different. Why are teachers and social administrators so afraid to present their lessons?

Your argument proves my point.

 

[Bullseye]

Your argument proves my point.

Your point is as sharp as a basketball.

 

[Court Jester]

Out of curiosity, would you want to know if your child was being subject to this math framework?

Good one!

When it comes to how the liberal woke educators in some liberal states go about teaching math, it sort of seem like this:

White kid: 2+2=4 "correct Johnny!"
Asian kid: 2+2=4 and 4 is the square root of 16 "very impressive Chan, great job!"
Hispanic kid: 2+2= quatro (you are correct Juan!)

Poor inner city at risk Black kid in a liberal school district: 2+2= 7
"Leon, excellent answer! 7 is more than 4 and that means your number is superior to the other kids' answers. You will do just fine at MIT on your diversity admission, I promise! Always remember, that the right answer isn't always the best answer, logic and math were all concepts created by Greeks, Arabs, and Europeans, and we don't trust them!"




I poke fun, but this is so sad. No wonder China is eating our lunch!

 

[NatMorton]

Meh. Take a poll.

Meh, try being interesting.

 

[WorldWatcher]

The syllabus laid out what the course content contained. Sorry you went to that liberal arts school. The "new requirement" sounds like something everyone should want to know, particularly at the prices paid for education. What are you afraid of?

#1 I didn’t got to a “liberal arts school”, my degree is technical in nature.

#2 go back and read the thread. I have no problem with course materials being available to the world online.

What I’ve consistently said is that if the state legislature wants to pass such a bill into law fine. Just fund it so that the schools have the resources to comply with the requirement.

WW

 

[smallvoice]

LOL.....thanks for proving my point.

You just proved that you are afraid "something" will get out, and it was a nice

#1 I didn’t got to a “liberal arts school”, my degree is technical in nature.

#2 go back and read the thread. I have no problem with course materials being available to the world online.

What I’ve consistently said is that if the state legislature wants to pass such a bill into law fine. Just fund it so that the schools have the resources to comply with the requirement.

WW

IRT #2: Why are you here then?

 

[smallvoice]

Your argument proves my point.

You keep saying that, but you don't actually have a point.

 

[JMR]

You keep saying that, but you don't actually have a point.

My point is very clear. Nothing is hidden. Right wing wedge issue has the kooks looking under the beds.

 

[WorldWatcher]

IRT #2: Why are you here then?

???

OK.

Voice of sanity.

WW

 

[NatMorton]

My point is very clear. Nothing is hidden. Right wing wedge issue has the kooks looking under the beds.

If nothing is being hidden then you should have no issue with these bills.

My observation is that things are being hidden. We’re told CRT-inspired lesson plans are merely “teaching the history of racism” or “about equity” but when the detail is exposed we see political advocacy. These bills are a direct consequences of left wing educators forgetting their professional obligations and lying to the very people they’re meant to serve: the public.

Pedagogical fraud is the wedge. Transparency is not.

 

[Irredentist]

If nothing is being hidden then you should have no issue with these bills.

My observation is that things are being hidden. We’re told CRT-inspired lesson plans are merely “teaching the history of racism” or “about equity” but when the detail is exposed we see political advocacy. These bills are a direct consequences of left wing educators forgetting their professional obligations and lying to the very people they’re meant to serve: the public.

Pedagogical fraud is the wedge. Transparency is not.

It is in fact impossible to engage in any kind of education involving history or social studies without involving some form of political advocacy. These bills targeting educational curricula are not intended to remove political advocacy from education altogether, but rather to replace one bias with another.

 

[NatMorton]

It is in fact impossible to engage in any kind of education involving history or social studies without involving some form of political advocacy. These bills targeting educational curricula are not intended to remove political advocacy from education altogether, but rather to replace one bias with another.

It is not in fact impossible to teach history without political advocacy, but I’m glad you agree what’s been going on with social justice “teaching” is in fact political advocacy.

 

[Irredentist]

It is not in fact impossible to teach history without political advocacy, but I’m glad you agree what’s been going on with social justice “teaching” is in fact political advocacy.

The recording of history itself is politically biased. The facts you choose to include, and the facts you don't, are a result of political bias. The curriculum you ultimately select to teach will be the result of your own biases. It is absolutely ludicrous to pretend otherwise. So I say again, education in history will always involve some form of political advocacy, and people who claim otherwise simply have their own agenda to push.

 

[NatMorton]

The recording of history itself is politically biased. The facts you choose to include, and the facts you don't, are a result of political bias. The curriculum you ultimately select to teach will be the result of your own biases. It is absolutely ludicrous to pretend otherwise. So I say again, education in history will always involve some form of political advocacy, and people who claim otherwise simply have their own agenda to push.

Again, glad we’re of like mind in believing there’s social justice political advocacy going on. That makes transparency all the more important, wouldn’t you agree?

 

[Irredentist]

Again, glad we’re of like mind in believing there’s social justice political advocacy going on. That makes transparency all the more important, wouldn’t you agree?

I fail to see any reason why we should replace social justice political advocacy in education with socially conservative political advocacy instead. Pandering to the fears of conservative parents is neither necessary nor productive. They merely want to teach their own politically informed view of history.

 

[independentusa]

This is a fantastic idea. Daylight is a good thing.

Who will pay the cost of getting all of this together and then having someone publish it online. Those are your taxes that will be increased for them to do so and it is a waste of time. My wife taught school and teachers have dailly teaching plans that any parent can ask to see at any time they want. This is just another way that the GOP is keeping their followers whipped into a frenzy so they vote in November. It is like we are paying for the GOP's advertising with our taxes.

 

[independentusa]

Again, glad we’re of like mind in believing there’s social justice political advocacy going on. That makes transparency all the more important, wouldn’t you agree?

How about this. In my economic history of the US we had a section on the economics of slavery in the south. Slavery was one of the most lucrative businesses at the time. Light skinned slaves were worth much more on the slave market so black female slaves were often raped by their white owners to create such slaves. That is why today there are such ranges of "black" among the black's today. Should we teach this type of history or should we teach that the slaves were basically unpaid employees who were all well treated as many conservatives want taught? Just asking?

 

[Ginger Ale]

Read the question again (it's in post #23). It's not complicated.

It's not relevant. That's your problem. It's not that people don't understand what you're trying to say, it's not comparable. Private schools already do this. We have religious schools. Not all schools have to comply by law. Different issue.

It's the same problem you have comparing BLM protests to the Jan. 6th insurrection. Unless it's payback, it's not relevant.

So, instead of asking a new question, why not just address the one already posed. You say "daylight" is a good thing, but the problem is, it's already during the day. Teachers and or schools aren't "hiding" curriculum in the dead of night. That's ridiculous.

 

[NatMorton]

Who will pay the cost of getting all of this together and then having someone publish it online. Those are your taxes that will be increased for them to do so and it is a waste of time. My wife taught school and teachers have dailly teaching plans that any parent can ask to see at any time they want. This is just another way that the GOP is keeping their followers whipped into a frenzy so they vote in November. It is like we are paying for the GOP's advertising with our taxes.

If this "cost" keeps kids from being indoctrinated into the junk science that is CRT thinking, it's a worthwhile investment.

 

[NatMorton]

How about this. In my economic history of the US we had a section on the economics of slavery in the south. Slavery was one of the most lucrative businesses at the time. Light skinned slaves were worth much more on the slave market so black female slaves were often raped by their white owners to create such slaves. That is why today there are such ranges of "black" among the black's today. Should we teach this type of history or should we teach that the slaves were basically unpaid employees who were all well treated as many conservatives want taught? Just asking?

We should teach a factually accurate lesson on what slavery was an how it operated. If there is some important lesson to be learned from the light-skin mark-up, I have no problem with that.

As for the assertion that somehow "conservatives" were taught slaves were only "unpaid employees," that is ridiculous and you're simply making it up because you don't know what else to say in defense of your position. It's gibberish.

 

[lurchadams]

Their CRT being a GOP manufactured crisis wasn't enough. In addition to that the GOP wants US schools to post ALL class materials online.......they just don't stop.

Once again, with the GOP its ALL about culture war.

Republican state lawmakers across the U.S. are trying to require schools to post all course materials online so parents can review them, part of a broader national push by the GOP for a sweeping parents bill of rights ahead of the midterm congressional elections. At least one proposal would give parents with no expertise power over curriculum choices. Parents also could file complaints about certain lessons and in some cases sue school districts. Teachers say parents already have easy access to what their children learn. They worry that the mandates would create an unnecessary burden and potentially threaten their professional independence — all while dragging them into a culture war.



The bill insinuates SOMETHING IS HIDING.

The bill “insinuates there’s some hiding happening,” said Katie Peters, a high school English teacher in Toledo. “It makes me a little defensive, because I’m like — no, wait a minute, we’re not hiding anything. The transparency is always there, and the parents who have cared to look have always had access.” The bills arose from last year's debate over the teaching of race, diversity and sexuality. The GOP insists the changes are needed to give parents a measure of control over what their children see and hear in class.

Now who is pushing THEIR agenda on us? If you answered todays GOP, you win!
Anything they don't agree with, they want silenced. For SHAME!



Read more at: https://www.newsobserver.com/news/article258328398.html#storylink=cpy

This is what happened in Heinlein's novel 1984. The Republicans are 10 seconds away from burning books and forbidding anyone to talk about slavery.

 

[NatMorton]

It's not relevant. That's your problem. It's not that people don't understand what you're trying to say, it's not comparable. Private schools already do this. We have religious schools. Not all schools have to comply by law. Different issue.

It's the same problem you have comparing BLM protests to the Jan. 6th insurrection. Unless it's payback, it's not relevant.

So, instead of asking a new question, why not just address the one already posed. You say "daylight" is a good thing, but the problem is, it's already during the day. Teachers and or schools aren't "hiding" curriculum in the dead of night. That's ridiculous.

Rubbish. You're dodging the question because you know the answer would have to be "Yes, I would want to know if my child were being targeted by teachers for religious indoctrination" and once you say that you can't credibly fault parents who have the same concern about political indoctrination.

And we disagree; I believe some schools are hiding their attempts to proselytize the social justice movement. That is why transparency is important and, I think, why there is so much resistance to these efforts at transparency.