GOP pushes schools to post all class materials online...

Rawley · Feb 14, 2022

reflechissez said:
Can you provide some examples? Thanks in advance.

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BlueTex · Feb 14, 2022

Bullseye said:
yeah, we should all be good like droids so our superiors can train our kids to be woke.
Why are you afraid of schools making public the course materials for our children?

Much of that course material is protected by copyright and/or contract terms with the school. Are you suggesting the schools can just ignore their obligations under these contracts?

NoMoreDems-Reps · Feb 14, 2022

Subieguy said:
Their CRT being a GOP manufactured crisis wasn't enough. In addition to that the GOP wants US schools to post ALL class materials online.......they just don't stop.

Once again, with the GOP its ALL about culture war.

Republican state lawmakers across the U.S. are trying to require schools to post all course materials online so parents can review them, part of a broader national push by the GOP for a sweeping parents bill of rights ahead of the midterm congressional elections. At least one proposal would give parents with no expertise power over curriculum choices. Parents also could file complaints about certain lessons and in some cases sue school districts. Teachers say parents already have easy access to what their children learn. They worry that the mandates would create an unnecessary burden and potentially threaten their professional independence — all while dragging them into a culture war.

The bill insinuates SOMETHING IS HIDING.

The bill “insinuates there’s some hiding happening,” said Katie Peters, a high school English teacher in Toledo. “It makes me a little defensive, because I’m like — no, wait a minute, we’re not hiding anything. The transparency is always there, and the parents who have cared to look have always had access.” The bills arose from last year's debate over the teaching of race, diversity and sexuality. The GOP insists the changes are needed to give parents a measure of control over what their children see and hear in class.

Now who is pushing THEIR agenda on us? If you answered todays GOP, you win!
Anything they don't agree with, they want silenced. For SHAME!

Read more at: https://www.newsobserver.com/news/article258328398.html#storylink=cpy

Sounds like a good idea! The kids can get a head start, and parents can know if their kids school is teaching crazy crap !

Bullseye · Feb 14, 2022

BlueTex said:
Much of that course material is protected by copyright and/or contract terms with the school. Are you suggesting the schools can just ignore their obligations under these contracts?

LOL, They hand out the material to the kids, don't they? I'd guess those contracts allow dissemination for educational purposes.

Subieguy · Feb 14, 2022

Bullseye said:
yeah, we should all be good like droids so our superiors can train our kids to be woke.
Why are you afraid of schools making public the course materials for our children?

Teachers say parents already have easy access to what their children learn. They worry that the mandates would create an unnecessary burden and potentially threaten their professional independence — all while dragging them into a culture war.

The bill “insinuates there’s some hiding happening,” said Katie Peters, a high school English teacher in Toledo. “It makes me a little defensive, because I’m like — no, wait a minute, we’re not hiding anything. The transparency is always there, and the parents who have cared to look have always had access.”

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Deuce · Feb 14, 2022

Bullseye said:
LOL, They hand out the material to the kids, don't they? I'd guess those contracts allow dissemination for educational purposes.

Sure, because that's what they were paid for.

How many publishers are going to be ok with their entire education catalogue suddenly becoming free online for the entire world? Is it even legal for the US government to dictate that?

I am 100% for free education materials for the entire nation, but I feel like right wingers haven't really thought this through. "Attack education" is their real motivation and now they've found themselves backing a very anti-capitalist measure, LOL

WorldWatcher · Feb 14, 2022

NatMorton said:
That's nice, but at least conceptually, do you support making it easier for all parents to do so?

Yes, as I've pointed out in multiple posts in this thread.

As long as part of the State Legislatures requirements to add all the resources and work to make it happen, the State funds those requirements.

100% onboard.

WW

WorldWatcher · Feb 14, 2022

reflechissez said:
What do you mean by "instructional materials?"

Some examples include State Curriculum Standards, Division Curriculum Standards, Course Outlines, Teacher Day-to-Day Lesson Plans, Online Textbooks, any worksheets, any additional reading material, copies of homework assignments, and public access to online education content that the school division contracts with from vendors (accessing information from vendors is a big thing these days).

WW

NatMorton · Feb 14, 2022

WorldWatcher said:
Yes, as I've pointed out in multiple posts in this thread.

As long as part of the State Legislatures requirements to add all the resources and work to make it happen, the State funds those requirements.

100% onboard.

WW

Then we only differ on the likely costs of delivering on that obligation. IMO, It really wouldn't take much more than an DropBox account and a few days' work by someone in an administrative role.

WorldWatcher · Feb 14, 2022

NatMorton said:
Then we only differ on the likely costs of delivering on that obligation. IMO, It really wouldn't take much more than an DropBox account and a few days' work by someone in an administrative role.

The division I work for has about 2000 teachers @ 1 lesson plan per day for 180 instructional days that's 360,000 documents in a DropBox account. That's just one LP a day. Our teachers create 3-6 different leason planes based on the subject being taught. So the reality of that is @3 per day is 1,080,000 and at 6 per day the number is 2,160,000 documents.

And that's just the lesson plants, not all the other "course materials" that would be required.

That the idea that a "DropBox" type account would be usable is scary.

WW

smallvoice · Feb 14, 2022

Subieguy said:
Their CRT being a GOP manufactured crisis wasn't enough. In addition to that the GOP wants US schools to post ALL class materials online.......they just don't stop.

Once again, with the GOP its ALL about culture war.

Republican state lawmakers across the U.S. are trying to require schools to post all course materials online so parents can review them, part of a broader national push by the GOP for a sweeping parents bill of rights ahead of the midterm congressional elections. At least one proposal would give parents with no expertise power over curriculum choices. Parents also could file complaints about certain lessons and in some cases sue school districts. Teachers say parents already have easy access to what their children learn. They worry that the mandates would create an unnecessary burden and potentially threaten their professional independence — all while dragging them into a culture war.

The bill insinuates SOMETHING IS HIDING.

The bill “insinuates there’s some hiding happening,” said Katie Peters, a high school English teacher in Toledo. “It makes me a little defensive, because I’m like — no, wait a minute, we’re not hiding anything. The transparency is always there, and the parents who have cared to look have always had access.” The bills arose from last year's debate over the teaching of race, diversity and sexuality. The GOP insists the changes are needed to give parents a measure of control over what their children see and hear in class.

Now who is pushing THEIR agenda on us? If you answered todays GOP, you win!
Anything they don't agree with, they want silenced. For SHAME!

Read more at: https://www.newsobserver.com/news/article258328398.html#storylink=cpy

Nice try, but your post is ALL BS.
Post it. There should be no surprises sprung on parents.

NatMorton · Feb 14, 2022

WorldWatcher said:
The division I work for has about 2000 teachers @ 1 lesson plan per day for 180 instructional days that's 360,000 documents in a DropBox account. That's just one LP a day. Our teachers create 3-6 different leason planes based on the subject being taught. So the reality of that is @3 per day is 1,080,000 and at 6 per day the number is 2,160,000 documents.

And that's just the lesson plants, not all the other "course materials" that would be required.

That the idea that a "DropBox" type account would be usable is scary.

WW

Perhaps, so you might use the more industrial strength Box.com or SharePoint online.

Regardless, these materials are likely already well organized (or should be) on internal file or document management systems (even if just a file server). And as you must know, schools have to manage publishing 1000's of documents (at least) to local, state, and sometimes even federal agencies. Getting docs visible to parents is a manageable problem by extended those processes.

smallvoice · Feb 14, 2022

WorldWatcher said:
The division I work for has about 2000 teachers @ 1 lesson plan per day for 180 instructional days that's 360,000 documents in a DropBox account. That's just one LP a day. Our teachers create 3-6 different leason planes based on the subject being taught. So the reality of that is @3 per day is 1,080,000 and at 6 per day the number is 2,160,000 documents.

And that's just the lesson plants, not all the other "course materials" that would be required.

That the idea that a "DropBox" type account would be usable is scary.

WW

Division? 2000 teachers? Nonsense. Each teacher posts the class syllabus. What's so hard about that? A Professor hands out his syllabus at the start of the semester. That happens every semester in every college class.

WorldWatcher · Feb 14, 2022

smallvoice said:
Division? 2000 teachers? Nonsense. Each teacher posts the class syllabus. What's so hard about that? A Professor hands out his syllabus at the start of the semester. That happens every semester in every college class.

The issue isn't posting a class syllabus online. My professors did hand out class syllabi, typically a 1 or 2 page document with high level course objectives, textbook requirements, testing schedule, and due dates for term papers.

That isn't want the discussion is about, it's about a new requirement that school divisions post all instructional materials online such as complete Course Outlines, Teacher Day-to-Day Lesson Plans, Online Textbooks, any worksheets, any additional reading material, copies of homework assignments, and public access to online education content that the school division contracts with from vendors (accessing information from vendors is a big thing these days).

WW

WorldWatcher · Feb 14, 2022

NatMorton said:
Perhaps, so you might use the more industrial strength Box.com or SharePoint online.

Regardless, these materials are likely already well organized (or should be) on internal file or document management systems (even if just a file server). And as you must know, schools have to manage publishing 1000's of documents (at least) to local, state, and sometimes even federal agencies. Getting docs visible to parents is a manageable problem by extended those processes.

No disagreement.

Yes it can be done, however if the State Legislature is going to require the expansion of the systems to include all instructional materials, and that these close (vendor supplied systems) be made available to anyone in the public domain, then the state should fund those requirements.

WW

Subieguy · Feb 14, 2022

smallvoice said:
Nice try, but your post is ALL BS.
Post it. There should be no surprises sprung on parents.

its only BS to GOPers who are looking for another wedge issue to try to manufacture for the election. Next!

reflechissez · Feb 14, 2022

WorldWatcher said:
Some examples include State Curriculum Standards, Division Curriculum Standards, Course Outlines, Teacher Day-to-Day Lesson Plans, Online Textbooks, any worksheets, any additional reading material, copies of homework assignments, and public access to online education content that the school division contracts with from vendors (accessing information from vendors is a big thing these days).

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Day-to-day lesson plans? Seriously? So any random parent can decide that they don't like item #4 on the list and the teacher has to justify his/her plan?

reflechissez · Feb 14, 2022

NatMorton said:
Foolish to whom, you?

I can live with that.

Meh. Take a poll.

Bullseye · Feb 14, 2022

Deuce said:
Sure, because that's what they were paid for.

How many publishers are going to be ok with their entire education catalogue suddenly becoming free online for the entire world? Is it even legal for the US government to dictate that?

I am 100% for free education materials for the entire nation, but I feel like right wingers haven't really thought this through. "Attack education" is their real motivation and now they've found themselves backing a very anti-capitalist measure, LOL

You're just making excuses and exaggerations. You do understand I'm not saying put the material on open access; I would thing the school could add a educational materials library to their site, safeguarded by password access.

The sad point is schools have made this necessary because educational professionals have decided parents have no part in their children's education.

Bullseye · Feb 14, 2022

Subieguy said:
Teachers say parents already have easy access to what their children learn. They worry that the mandates would create an unnecessary burden and potentially threaten their professional independence — all while dragging them into a culture war.

Tough shit - they created the problem, they need to live with it.

Subieguy said:
The bill “insinuates there’s some hiding happening,” said Katie Peters, a high school English teacher in Toledo. “It makes me a little defensive, because I’m like — no, wait a minute, we’re not hiding anything. The transparency is always there, and the parents who have cared to look have always had access.”

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/g...ss-materials-online/ar-AATLQtB?ocid=BingNews[

http://Then what's the problem?

Deuce · Feb 14, 2022

Bullseye said:
You're just making excuses and exaggerations. You do understand I'm not saying put the material on open access; I would thing the school could add a educational materials library to their site, safeguarded by password access.

That's... not at all the proposal that forms the basis for this thread, though. They wanted the material online.

Bullseye said:
The sad point is schools have made this necessary because educational professionals have decided parents have no part in their children's education.

Parents have never had personal veto power over every random fact they want hidden from their child, sorry.

JMR · Feb 14, 2022

Bullseye said:
You're just making excuses and exaggerations. You do understand I'm not saying put the material on open access; I would thing the school could add a educational materials library to their site, safeguarded by password access.

The sad point is schools have made this necessary because educational professionals have decided parents have no part in their children's education.

The bolded is evidence you have joined the attack on public education for political purposes. Teachers and principals have tried for decades to work with parents to advance each student's education. Parents are not locked out. That is a myth. Any parent can contact their child's teacher. Any parent can make a complaint to the building principal. Any parent is welcome to attend school board meetings. Any parent is welcome to run for the school board.
The right wing crazies have again pulled this old wedge issue out for a new run. Why are your children so susceptible to imagined indoctrination? It is pure and simple an attack on public education, which the right has never been to fond of.

smallvoice · Feb 14, 2022

Subieguy said:
its only BS to GOPers who are looking for another wedge issue to try to manufacture for the election. Next!

Wedge issues are what you libbies live for, so you can crop that crap.

smallvoice · Feb 14, 2022

WorldWatcher said:
The issue isn't posting a class syllabus online. My professors did hand out class syllabi, typically a 1 or 2 page document with high level course objectives, textbook requirements, testing schedule, and due dates for term papers.

That isn't want the discussion is about, it's about a new requirement that school divisions post all instructional materials online such as complete Course Outlines, Teacher Day-to-Day Lesson Plans, Online Textbooks, any worksheets, any additional reading material, copies of homework assignments, and public access to online education content that the school division contracts with from vendors (accessing information from vendors is a big thing these days).

WW

The syllabus laid out what the course content contained. Sorry you went to that liberal arts school. The "new requirement" sounds like something everyone should want to know, particularly at the prices paid for education. What are you afraid of?

Hamish Howl · Feb 14, 2022

This is awesome. We will now have every Dunning Krueger basket case trying to tell teachers how to do their jobs.

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