GOP Nightmare, Obamacare Popularity Soars

[vash1012]

Some republicans actually don't want a good economy when we have a dem POTUS. Swing voters tend to vote on the economy more than anything else, thus if we have a good economy with a dem potus, it becomes more difficult for republicans to be elected.

Rush L even admitted that he hoped that our economy would fail under Obama. I find that type of attitude disgusting, I always hope for a good economy, regardless of who is in power or what the policies are, because I prefer a higher standard of living to a lower standard of living. I guess that really doesn't apply to fairly rich talking heads because their standards of living aren't actually effected by the economy (as they have enough personal wealth to maintain their standard of living indefinitely regardless).

So what we end up with is republicans badmouthing government spending and our economy until we have a republican potus, at which time government spending and government debt no longer matters. thats why the debt tends to increase faster when we have a republican potus than a democrat as potus (republicans only wish to restrain spending when we have a democrat potus, they secretly desire increased spending when we have republican potus because it is stimulative to our economy).

Yep. I agree completely. I won't pretend that democrats are innocent of it either. Its a product of our system and a big reason I vote for independents since its mainly due to a two party system where each party is vying for more power.

 

[Vern]

Yep. I agree completely. I won't pretend that democrats are innocent of it either. Its a product of our system and a big reason I vote for independents since its mainly due to a two party system where each party is vying for more power.

mmmm, have you noticed that 5 years ago republicans moved from "hoping" to " actively trying to sabotage"?

 

[Glen Contrarian]

Maybe yes, maybe no. The point under discussion was whether Repubs have been especially partisan toward BHO. My point is that he personally has been more partisan toward the Repubs than any Dem POTUS in memory.eace

Really?

Remember during the debt ceiling debate, when John Boehner came out of the negotiations saying that he got 98% of he wanted? If President Obama was being so partisan, how is it that he would give Boehner 98% of what he wanted in the debt ceiling negotiations? That doesn't look like hyperpartisanship to me.

On the other hand, not only have the GOP senators filibustered normal legislative bills at a pace far outstripping any other period in America history, nearly half of all filibusters of presidential nominees in American history have come during the Obama administration. It is literally true when I say that the last president who faced this level of opposition from the other party was Abraham Lincoln.

No, Jack, when Republicans claim that Obama's been so partisan, that's nothing more than a party-wide case of psychological projection.

 

[Linc]

Really?

Remember during the debt ceiling debate, when John Boehner came out of the negotiations saying that he got 98% of he wanted? If President Obama was being so partisan, how is it that he would give Boehner 98% of what he wanted in the debt ceiling negotiations? That doesn't look like hyperpartisanship to me.

I'm wondering what the 2% was that Obama got.
Maybe a promise not to intentionally blow up the economy and the proverbial gun removed from his head .

 

[Jack Hays]

Really?

Remember during the debt ceiling debate, when John Boehner came out of the negotiations saying that he got 98% of he wanted? If President Obama was being so partisan, how is it that he would give Boehner 98% of what he wanted in the debt ceiling negotiations? That doesn't look like hyperpartisanship to me.

On the other hand, not only have the GOP senators filibustered normal legislative bills at a pace far outstripping any other period in America history, nearly half of all filibusters of presidential nominees in American history have come during the Obama administration. It is literally true when I say that the last president who faced this level of opposition from the other party was Abraham Lincoln.

No, Jack, when Republicans claim that Obama's been so partisan, that's nothing more than a party-wide case of psychological projection.

BHO's negotiations with Boehner failed because BHO went back on his word.eace

 

[Glen Contrarian]

BHO's negotiations with Boehner failed because BHO went back on his word.eace

That's a matter of opinion...but the point stands that the most powerful Republican in America said that he got 98% percent of what he wanted...and that pretty much blows the "Obama's a hyperpartisan" line out of the water.

 

[polgara]

That's a matter of opinion...but the point stands that the most powerful Republican in America said that he got 98% percent of what he wanted...and that pretty much blows the "Obama's a hyperpartisan" line out of the water.

Boehner could have gotten 50 percent of what he wanted, but what difference did it make? Pelosi and Reid did not like what Obama agreed to, and insisted that he ask for hundreds of billions more in spending, which they knew Boehner could not agree to, and the negotiations broke down at that point. It was a good agreement that Obama and Boehner reached, but Party first, people second is the game, I guess.

Greetings, Glen Contrarian. :2wave:

 

[MAGAnificent]

Only that didn't happen. Also, he is WAY behind any other president in my lifetime for signing executive orders, so I don't think that Obama will go down in history as a tyrannical president.

But hey, I got it, you don't like Obama. Me either. But there is plenty legitimate stuff to bash him over, without having to make up stuff.

No other president has pushed and passed legislation that has in effect nationalized the healthcare industry, though Hillary Clinton tried. No other president has threatened to bypass congress on anything he cannot get passed with executive orders. Those are legitimate complaints. The so-called ACA is destroying American healthcare. It does not matter if I like Obama or not. There are other presidents I have not liked. The difference is that I hate the damage this president is inflicting.

 

[Threegoofs]

Your right. No president has passed legislation that has in effect nationalized the healthcare industry.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Your right. No president has passed legislation that has in effect nationalized the healthcare industry.

Except Obama.

 

[Threegoofs]

Except Obama.

Nope.

Requiring people to be insured by private insurance companies is only 'nationalizing the health care industry' to people who don't understand health care, insurance industries, or what nationalizing means.

But thanks for playing.

 

[fedupwithgov]

Wow, even worse than I thought. When you are quoted a health insurance plan you should be told 3 things: monthly/annual premium per policy and per insured on the policy, annual deductible and "out of pocket per year/insured. These are the three most important facts you need before going further. Beyond these, you need to ask if your current physicians and hospitals are "in network".

What I failed to fully understand and what my husband, physician, just informed me of; is that out of pocket 99% of the time no longer goes toward meeting your annual deductible which is now 99% per insured on the policy and not per family. Thus if you have a $3000.00 deductible per insured on your policy and a $6000.00 annual out of pocket per insured on the policy, each family member must meet their $3000.00 deductible AND additionally their $6000.00 out of pocket for a real cost out of pocket of $9000.00. Therefore, if one member of the 3 member family has medical costs covered under their plan of $5000.00, one has costs of $3000.00 and one of $500.00; the plan will virtually pay nothing.

I doubt many supports understood this and it may be the reason that many never pay their first premium and many more won't renew the insurance in 2015. Not worth paying high premiums where it is too costly to meet deductible and out of pocket.

 

[Threegoofs]

Wow, even worse than I thought. When you are quoted a health insurance plan you should be told 3 things: monthly/annual premium per policy and per insured on the policy, annual deductible and "out of pocket per year/insured. These are the three most important facts you need before going further. Beyond these, you need to ask if your current physicians and hospitals are "in network".

What I failed to fully understand and what my husband, physician, just informed me of; is that out of pocket 99% of the time no longer goes toward meeting your annual deductible which is now 99% per insured on the policy and not per family. Thus if you have a $3000.00 deductible per insured on your policy and a $6000.00 annual out of pocket per insured on the policy, each family member must meet their $3000.00 deductible AND additionally their $6000.00 out of pocket for a real cost out of pocket of $9000.00. Therefore, if one member of the 3 member family has medical costs covered under their plan of $5000.00, one has costs of $3000.00 and one of $500.00; the plan will virtually pay nothing.

I doubt many supports understood this and it may be the reason that many never pay their first premium and many more won't renew the insurance in 2015. Not worth paying high premiums where it is too costly to meet deductible and out of pocket.

You understand little of insurance, I see. Provider visits and drugs are covered via copay. Most people won't use more healthcare than that.
Of course, most health care and drugs will be covered with generally nominal copays, and plans come with individual AND family deductibles. Max OOP is $6k per person or $12k per family.

 

[fedupwithgov]

You understand little of insurance, I see. Provider visits and drugs are covered via copay. Most people won't use more healthcare than that.
Of course, most health care and drugs will be covered with generally nominal copays, and plans come with individual AND family deductibles. Max OOP is $6k per person or $12k per family.

So you are a doctor, surgeon, CEO of a hospital? Based on your post I doubt you are any of these. In the past, out of pocket went toward you or the families deductible. Seems that has changed with at least the past 10 years. As crazy as that would be it appears to be what has happened. So if you disagree with what I say then at least ask before you pay for your first premium as it makes a huge difference to your costs and overall yearly coverage for yourself or family.

It your out of pocket does not go towards deductible, IMO you shouldn't buy the coverage.

And, as a side note, I take objection to your claim I understand little about insurance, its benefits and its cost. The only thing you are close to being accurate about is that most people won't use more heath care than that. If by "that" you mean co-payments for prescriptions and routine office visits with physicians who have signed on the insurance plan. Beyond that, if you are admitted to a hospital, undergo diagnostic tests, managed daily by hospital staff and so on, on the charges above the amount of your deductible PLUS you contracted co-pay was only $3000.00 and to date you had only paid $1000.00 out of pocket you would owe up to the remaining amount of your annual deductible and up to the remaining amount of your annual co-pay which could mean you owe the entire amount due.

Unacceptable and something Obamacare failed to even address. So good luck blindless, unquestioning supports. Don't and won't feel sorry for you.

 

[Threegoofs]

So you are a doctor, surgeon, CEO of a hospital? Based on your post I doubt you are any of these. In the past, out of pocket went toward you or the families deductible. Seems that has changed with at least the past 10 years. As crazy as that would be it appears to be what has happened. So if you disagree with what I say then at least ask before you pay for your first premium as it makes a huge difference to your costs and overall yearly coverage for yourself or family.

It your out of pocket does not go towards deductible, IMO you shouldn't buy the coverage.

And, as a side note, I take objection to your claim I understand little about insurance, its benefits and its cost. The only thing you are close to being accurate about is that most people won't use more heath care than that. If by "that" you mean co-payments for prescriptions and routine office visits with physicians who have signed on the insurance plan. Beyond that, if you are admitted to a hospital, undergo diagnostic tests, managed daily by hospital staff and so on, on the charges above the amount of your deductible PLUS you contracted co-pay was only $3000.00 and to date you had only paid $1000.00 out of pocket you would owe up to the remaining amount of your annual deductible and up to the remaining amount of your annual co-pay which could mean you owe the entire amount due.

Unacceptable and something Obamacare failed to even address. So good luck blindless, unquestioning supports. Don't and won't feel sorry for you.

Let's just say I have a better handle on healthcare than a doctors wife.

The OOP does go to the deductible. Always has, always will.

And if you have an OOP max of $3k, you don't pay anything after you hit that 3k limit for that individual.

 

[fedupwithgov]

Let's just say I have a better handle on healthcare than a doctors wife.

The OOP does go to the deductible. Always has, always will.

And if you have an OOP max of $3k, you don't pay anything after you hit that 3k limit for that individual.

First of all being a wife of a doctor in private practice for 37 years of our marriage only adds to my 38 year of healh care management experience and consulting for VA Hospitals, Private Hospitals, Nursing Homes and private practices including my husbands. So now is where you need to post your experience and where you gained your "independent" unbiased by news media knowledge and understanding of the past health care industry and the one Obama care is throwing us all into. Can you do that?

If not, shut your mouth.

 

[Threegoofs]

First of all being a wife of a doctor in private practice for 37 years of our marriage only adds to my 38 year of healh care management experience and consulting for VA Hospitals, Private Hospitals, Nursing Homes and private practices including my husbands. So now is where you need to post your experience and where you gained your "independent" unbiased by news media knowledge and understanding of the past health care industry and the one Obama care is throwing us all into. Can you do that?

If not, shut your mouth.

No, I don't. But I have lots.

Since you drop the fact that you are a doctors wife into every other post, I thought that was your main qualification...


I guess you could call me a doctors husband. I've never actually said that though.

But it's irrelevant. I know what I know, and OOP hasn't changed with the ACA, unless you want to talk about removing the lifetime maximum. That's a big deal.

 

[fedupwithgov]

Let's just say I have a better handle on healthcare than a doctors wife.

The OOP does go to the deductible. Always has, always will.

And if you have an OOP max of $3k, you don't pay anything after you hit that 3k limit for that individual.

Your "oop" should go the fact that 98% plus policies out of pocket no longer goes to helping to meet deductible and you no very little about providing health care, billing for the health care you provide, being paid fairly for the care yor provide, increasing costs of continual regulation, cuts in reimbursement and the overall increased costs of doing business. You know so little yet attempt to put your ignorant posts out to other members, while only the "sheeple" radical progressives could ever believe there is any truth in what you say. I feel sorry for you and those that actually believe you. They have such little faith in their own ability to research the facts on their own that they have to rely on what ignorant people as yourself have to say. This is sad and is one reason we will never elect a President that represents all Americans and taxpayers. People are too hung up on "the party" and not on the individual Candidates that support their views.

It is more and more important that voters stop listening to T.V. ads as are they biases or only attack their opponent whether truthfully or untruthfully. Voters need to contact each Candidates election office and as real questions. It is too bad the election system will never allow the election of a Moderate/Libertarian Candidate for President, one that ignores Party bias. But what we can do it elect Moderates with the two parties. That is the best we can do.

 

[Vern]

Your "oop" should go the fact that 98% plus policies out of pocket no longer goes to helping to meet deductible .

I know its futile to ask but can you back up that point.

 

[Jack Hays]

That's a matter of opinion...but the point stands that the most powerful Republican in America said that he got 98% percent of what he wanted...and that pretty much blows the "Obama's a hyperpartisan" line out of the water.

What he got, and what he said to his caucus to try to bring them along need not be the same thing.eace

 

[Threegoofs]

Your "oop" should go the fact that 98% plus policies out of pocket no longer goes to helping to meet deductible and you no very little about providing health care, billing for the health care you provide, being paid fairly for the care yor provide, increasing costs of continual regulation, cuts in reimbursement and the overall increased costs of doing business. You know so little yet attempt to put your ignorant posts out to other members, while only the "sheeple" radical progressives could ever believe there is any truth in what you say. I feel sorry for you and those that actually believe you. They have such little faith in their own ability to research the facts on their own that they have to rely on what ignorant people as yourself have to say. This is sad and is one reason we will never elect a President that represents all Americans and taxpayers. People are too hung up on "the party" and not on the individual Candidates that support their views.

It is more and more important that voters stop listening to T.V. ads as are they biases or only attack their opponent whether truthfully or untruthfully. Voters need to contact each Candidates election office and as real questions. It is too bad the election system will never allow the election of a Moderate/Libertarian Candidate for President, one that ignores Party bias. But what we can do it elect Moderates with the two parties. That is the best we can do.

If OOP doesn't go to meet the deductible, those words either have no meaning or the stated numbers are much higher.

 

[MAGAnificent]

Nope.

Requiring people to be insured by private insurance companies is only 'nationalizing the health care industry' to people who don't understand health care, insurance industries, or what nationalizing means.

But thanks for playing.

The federal government requiring citizens to purchase insurance is "unconstitutional". And given the fact that the government controls what the insurance companies can and cannot offer pretty much amounts to nationalization.

 

[mak2]

How would you plan to make sure everyone pays for their own healthcare?

The federal government requiring citizens to purchase insurance is "unconstitutional". And given the fact that the government controls what the insurance companies can and cannot offer pretty much amounts to nationalization.

 

[MAGAnificent]

You understand little of insurance, I see. Provider visits and drugs are covered via copay. Most people won't use more healthcare than that.
Of course, most health care and drugs will be covered with generally nominal copays, and plans come with individual AND family deductibles. Max OOP is $6k per person or $12k per family.

Now you are suggesting that coverage for office visits and prescription co-pays are something new offered by obamacare? Most people won't use more healthcare than that? Have you lost sight of what insurance is supposed to be for? I had surgery a few years back that cost just over $5000.00. My insurance covered most of that. Had obamacare been in effect, I would have been stuck for the entire bill.

 

[Vern]

If OOP doesn't go to meet the deductible, those words either have no meaning or the stated numbers are much higher.

did she mean to post " deductible no longer counts towards the OOP max"? well, we'll find out when she decides to back up her statement which of course she will do since its a debate forum not a chat room.