GOP increasingly balks at calling Jan. 6 an insurrection

[Helix]

You're just trying to convince yourself.

If you don't like the fact that I'm pointing it out just scroll past my posts.

I'm not trying to convince myself or you of anything. I'm simply countering your incorrect assertions with truth. It was an insurrection.

 

[jnug]

You really aren't following much of anything in this thread are you?

The reason that I cited the earlier article in my post was to show how long ago it was already observed that the charges in the 1/6 cases weren't lining up to your expectations as expressed in the politically motivated and politically pushed narrative you, and others, have been parroting since 1/6.

I don't have expectations. Trump and the dunce cap GOP have already done themselves dirty politically. What happens to them criminally does not really matter all that much. The Insurrectionists however will be under a good deal of pressure and guys like Josh Hawley seem more worried about what cell phone records the FBI has than anything else. So we shall see what we shall see for folks like Hawley.

I already commented on your post regarding the early days of the Investigation. Frankly I don't think your post is very relevant to where we are today.

I actually don't think Donnie now admitting that he knew he didn't win the election helps them at all. He is either power mad along with the rest of the GOP or a sociopathic maniac for putting the country through all this upheaval for what....his own personal pleasure?

 

[jnug]

Not funny.

Treason, insurrection, and sedition are serious. Don't joke about them.


Your own citation proves you wrong.


Finally, someone who checks the facts before spouting. Well done on that point, though you should read past the headline.

The bulk of the injuries were scrapes and bruises. Only a handful were hospitalized at any point, many of those by pepper spray. This is inconsistent with the story of an insurrection, and more in line with a protest which turned rowdy.

It was an insurrection. So are you finally admitting that one does not need a knife or gun to be considered using force?

 

[eohrnberger]

I don't have expectations. Trump and the dunce cap GOP have already done themselves dirty politically. What happens to them criminally does not really matter all that much. The Insurrectionists however will be under a good deal of pressure and guys like Josh Hawley seem more worried about what cell phone records the FBI has than anything else. So we shall see what we shall see for those folks.

Yeah, phone records another fine example of how hypocritical the Democrats are.

Awhile back Piece Of Schiff was demanding, and got, phone records of Republican congressmen. The media treated it as no big deal.

The DOJ files legal and legitimate warrants to determine which of the congressmen are leaking classified information, and Democrats and the media political propaganda arm collectively lose their shit over it.

It's like 'But wait a minute . . . isn't that the same as . . .'

If it weren't for double standards, the Democrats wouldn't have any standards at all. 'Equal justice for all' in this country dying, and the Democrats are killing it with their hypocrisy and double standards.

 

[jnug]

Yeah, phone records another fine example of how hypocritical the Democrats are.

Awhile back Piece Of Schiff was demanding, and got, phone records of Republican congressmen. The media treated it as no big deal.

The DOJ files legal and legitimate warrants to determine which of the congressmen are leaking classified information, and Democrats and the media political propaganda arm collectively lose their shit over it.

It's like 'But wait a minute . . . isn't that the same as . . .'

If it weren't for double standards, the Democrats wouldn't have any standards at all. 'Equal justice for all' in this country dying, and the Democrats are killing it with their hypocrisy and double standards.

And they found NOTHING in the Schiff and other Intel staff phone records. Maybe they should go back and get more phone records from the kids of staff members. THAT was an example of the Barr Trump Politicized DOJ.

They should have looked harder through their own administration if they wanted to find leakers.

 

[CLAX1911]

Not funny.

Treason, insurrection, and sedition are serious. Don't joke about them.

Humor is subjective, nothing is off limits.

 

[CLAX1911]

I'm not trying to convince myself or you of anything.

Sure.

 

[Da Mole]

I knew this thread would be awesome. here we go again!

BREAKING NEWS!!!
this just in according to Jamesrage, if you commit rape, theft, speeding, assault, vandalism, murder etc etc . . BUT . . . . you are not charged. .then you did NOT commit rape, theft, speeding, assault, vandalism, murder.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is a perfect example of posting tinfoil hat nuttery. How dishonest, delusional and biased does one's views have to be to make up such a retarded lie and strawman.

WOW LMAO

6/20/21
Facts

by definition, the usage of insurrection by honest, educated, objective people right left and center to describe what happened 1/6 is still 100% factually accurate and nobody can prove otherwise.

If anybody disagrees, give it shot, we are 350+ posts in so far and nobody can.

Sorry to have to break the news but Innocent until proven guilty. If not charged, then not guilty, or does the left believe that that is passe.

 

[Linuxcooldude]

Lets see, the INSURRECTION was 1/6. It has been about 6 months and they are buried in about 500 prosecutions at this point some of them for Conspiracy. Do you not understand how this works?

If they do prosecute for Insurrection, it will be an airtight case. Which will not change what we all saw and heard. You want us to believe we did not see and hear what we saw and heard. Yammering about who and what has been charged with what ain't gonna' do that.

Conspiracy isn't enough to show inssurection, if that.

 

[Da Mole]

What about them?

Other than a chance to derail from this thread.

If your asking about "them", it must mean you admit that there were riots.

 

[Linuxcooldude]

So what. I am not in the Prosecutors office. I am not making these decisions and neither are you. But I do have eyes and ears and I know what I saw and heard.

If it were enough for armchair lawyers to charge and prosecute. If it were so clear cut as these armchair prosecuters contended, they would be charged as so.

 

[gbg3]

It isnt and apt comparison. Destroying property is, of course, bad. But property can be replaced. The 1/6 insurrection was an attack on democratic ideas and institutions. Once those are destroyed, its not so easy to bring them back.

Hardly "destroyed". Congress completed their work of the day just a few hours later.

 

[jnug]

Conspiracy isn't enough to show inssurection, if that.

So what. I have already stated that if they can't make a case for Insurrection they won't try. This is not the Barr DOJ. That said it would be foolhardy at this point to discount that they might be able to make an Insurrection case once people start FLIPPING. As I have already said, Federal Prosecution depends more on the case Prosecutors can make. Its not about Truth, its not even about Justice. It is about the making cases.

Now if the GOP really wanted to get serious about what happened and who was involved then they would stop blocking a 1/6 Independent Commission. Funny how they keep yammering out ANTIFA did it and the FBI did it but they keep blocking an Independent Commission. Does not make much sense now does it.

 

[gbg3]

i'm just throwing truth out into the hole and hoping that it fills up eventually. with truth.

Lol, your so called "truth" you keep trying to fill that hole with evaporates every time you try to toss it in - and that hole has remained empty.

 

[jnug]

If it were enough for armchair lawyers to charge and prosecute. If it were so clear cut as these armchair prosecuters contended, they would be charged as so.

Its clearly not by the high bar Federal Prosecutors set for themselves. I hope you are never indicted on a Federal Charge. Because if you are Indicted, they have you. The bar is that high for Federal Prosecutors.

Why do you think so many Federal Prosecutions end in Guilty Pleas or Convictions. If they Indict they won't go to trial wondering about the outcome. The defendant in a Federal Prosecution has luck, and technical error by the Judge or the Prosecutor going for him. Other than that, he can put his head between his legs and kiss his ass goodbye.

Plus do you really think the Prosecutors care about Insurrection charges when they already have Conspiracy charges? They have charged 31 of them with conspiracy to this point. Those with Conspiracy charges have a string of other charges as well. If they get to Insurrection it will be fine by them, if not they won't care. But they will only get to Insurrection if they have it dead to rights and even then, they might not charge if they think it might adversely effect other charges that they already have dead to rights.

Let the flipping begin.

 

[Helix]

Lol, your so called "truth" you keep trying to fill that hole with evaporates every time you try to toss it in - and that hole has remained empty.

Fake news. It was an insurrection.

 

[Linuxcooldude]

Its clearly not by the high bar Federal Prosecutors set for themselves. I hope you are never indicted on a Federal Charge. Because if you are Indicted, they have you. The bar is that high for Federal Prosecutors.

Apparently the bar wasn't high enough for inssurection. As much as you are determined to make it sound, isn't convincing me.

 

[jnug]

Apparently the bar wasn't high enough for inssurection. As much as you are determined to make it sound, isn't convincing me.

You are misunderstanding. There is a high bar for all Federal Prosecution. They won't Prosecute for Insurrection unless they have an iron clad case for Insurrection and frankly they don't care whether they get to Insurrection or not.

Again, if you are depending on Prosecution to tell you want happened on 1/6, you don't know how Federal Prosecution works. If you want to know what happened (fact finding) then the ghoulish, corrupt, power mad, now Un-American GOP should stop trying to block an Independent Commission.

Prosecution is not designed to fact find. It is designed to convict. Those are not the same things, not by a long shot.

 

[Linuxcooldude]

You are misunderstanding. There is a high bar for all Federal Prosecution. They won't Prosecute for Insurrection unless they have an iron clad case for Insurrection and frankly they don't care whether they get to Insurrection or not.

Again, if you are depending on Prosecution to tell you want happened on 1/6, you don't know how Federal Prosecution works. If you want to know what happened (fact finding) then the ghoulish, corrupt, power mad, now Un-American GOP should stop trying to block an Independent Commission.

Prosecution is not designed to fact find. It is designed to convict. Those are not the same things, not by a long shot.

Your not making a very good case for insurrection, like nothing at all. All you go on about is beating a dead horse on charges that they can claim in court. Ok, so what does that have to do with insurrection? Nothing...

 

[eohrnberger]

And they found NOTHING in the Schiff and other Intel staff phone records. Maybe they should go back and get more phone records from the kids of staff members. THAT was an example of the Barr Trump Politicized DOJ.

Nice strawman.

And yet another point flies right over your head.

The point didn't have anything to do with what was or what wasn't found, it had to do with the rank hypocrisy of in one instance demanding phone records and the outrage that his own phone records were an issue of a warrant.

You really aren't very good at this, are you?
Or perhaps you are simply willfully ignorant and blind?

They should have looked harder through their own administration if they wanted to find leakers.

Already long standing knowledge that Congress leaks like a sieve, and congressional Democrats likely the source of the leaks of classified information, seeking, as always, political damage of the opposing party, party over country, as always.

 

[OpportunityCost]

Your post had nothing to do with anything. Do what you want to do. But lets not make believe your post had anything to do with anything. Who gives a damn what you think Dems have been claiming about Repukes for decades.

The Repukes certainly have adopted the governance principles of the mad elf, Newt Gingrich since he was Speaker DECADES AGO. So whether you like it or not, the GOP has been power mad since at least then and Donnie is a sociopath. Gosar belongs in a padded room. Rudy is a drunkard.

So do you have anything to add regarding why the wild ass, free birding Trump clan put the country through all of this upheaval and angst when Donnie knew he "didn't win in 2020? Any explanation for that????

Trolling name calling isn't an argument. This is why no one answers your retarded bullshit questions. Present reasonable questions that don't demonize the people from whom you want answers from the outset. As is, no one answers you because its clear you aren't interested in answers you are interested in ranting incoherently.

 

[jnug]

Your not making a very good case for insurrection, like nothing at all. All you go on about is beating a dead horse on charges that they can claim in court. Ok, so what does that have to do with insurrection? Nothing...

Yea whatever.

Oh and 1/6 was an insurrection.

 

[jnug]

Trolling name calling isn't an argument. This is why no one answers your retarded bullshit questions. Present reasonable questions that don't demonize the people from whom you want answers from the outset. As is, no one answers you because its clear you aren't interested in answers you are interested in ranting incoherently.

I'm not trolling. Are you? You don't answer because you don't like the answers. Yammering about name calling while supporting the ugliest, most repulsive, revolting abusive, insulting President in history, Donald Trump is laughable.

 

[Callen]

Now if the GOP really wanted to get serious about what happened and who was involved then they would stop blocking a 1/6 Independent Commission. Funny how they keep yammering out ANTIFA did it and the FBI did it but they keep blocking an Independent Commission. Does not make much sense now does it.

It makes perfect sense but I get your sarcasm! The GOP knows the reality of what happened, McCarthy and McConnell were very clear in what happened and who was to blame but they don't want the truth to come out leading up to 2022. On the other hand, the Trumpers who are buying all of this carp from Tucker are totally into any conspiracy that whitewashes the events of the 6th and exonerates Trump....and by default them!
As bad as so many things said in defense of Trump are this is the most egregious.

 

[AGENT J]

Sorry to have to break the news but Innocent until proven guilty. If not charged, then not guilty, or does the left believe that that is passe.

sorry to have to break it to you but I never denied innocent until prove guilty so your morning strawman fails LMAO also. im not on the left. WOW could you post fail any harder

So here we are in the same spot . . .by definition, the usage of insurrection by honest, educated, objective people right left and center to describe what happened 1/6 is still 100% factually accurate and nobody can prove otherwise.

If anybody disagrees, give it sho, thanks!