GOP hopes it’s cracked the abortion code

[Navy Pride]

May God always bless the poor innocent defenseless baby in the womb.


GOP hopes it

 

[AGENT J]

May God always bless the poor innocent defenseless baby in the womb.


GOP hopes it

1.) 20/21 weeks is not a new idea nor is is a right or left idea lol
2.) if RoeVWade is simply changed to 20/21 based on the message of again VIABILITY I dont think this would be a hard sell at all because it will be based on truth, facts and trying for equality BUT if they try an all out ban and want totally new legislation IMO the sell will move into the impossible range. It will abandon RvW and try to become its own thing that WILL be pushed to make smaller and smaller in the future leaving the viability discussion and equality discussion behind and losing for sure.
3.) While millions of GOPers support choice, any plan that comes from them will have to get over the "stereo typical" hurdle of simply making this a stone in the road to bannings

theres no abortion code to crack

 

[Declan]

May God always bless the poor innocent defenseless baby in the womb.


GOP hopes it

Won't work.

 

[Hatuey]

Don't something like 99% of abortions happen within the first 20 weeks?

 

[whysoserious]

GOPers are always pro-life until their daughter gets pregnant when she's 15.

 

[CriticalThought]

I am pretty sure even a good handful of Democrat politicians support bans after 20 weeks.

 

[AGENT J]

Don't something like 99% of abortions happen within the first 20 weeks?

yep like 98.8%
this is why "stereo typically" hardcore pushes for lowering RvW are shady and based on something else rather than viability or other concerns. They are usually just stepping stones to all out bans with poor verbiage in them that can continue to be pushed and pushed and pushed.

 

[Paschendale]

GOPers are always pro-life until their daughter gets pregnant when she's 15.

Which, contrary to what they keep saying, happens a lot more in conservative communities than liberal ones.

 

[Crovax]

Don't something like 99% of abortions happen within the first 20 weeks?

And yet the democrats still fully support abortion after 20 weeks. The only code the 20 week ban is cracking is showing how extreme and out of touch the democrat view on abortion is

 

[shrubnose]

Won't work.

And the reason why it won't work is that the far-right evangelicals in the GOP want to get the U.S. government off of Wall Street's back and into every American bedroom, controlling every aspect of peoples private lives.

Not going to happen. Not today,not tomorrow, not ever.

Wait and see.

 

[shrubnose]

And yet the democrats still fully support abortion after 20 weeks.

The only code the 20 week ban is cracking is showing how extreme and out of touch the democrat view on abortion is

What's really extreme and out of touch is some people in the GOP's constant efforts to take birth control out of the hands of mothers and give it to some far-right, evangelical politicians.




"Better days are coming." ~ But not for the out of touch, running out of time, GOP.

 

[Lursa]

And yet the democrats still fully support abortion after 20 weeks. The only code the 20 week ban is cracking is showing how extreme and out of touch the democrat view on abortion is

I'm not aware of that. Can you support that?

Even most pro-choice people here on the forum dont, except to save the mother's life or if the fetus is severely damaged. And the law supports that as well.

 

[Lursa]

It was an article for the ignorant.

It discussed banning abortion after 20 weeks, which it already is (20/21) unless to save the life of the mother or for a severely damaged fetus.

And then focused on the fetus being 'pain capable.' For God's sake...IF there's a need for a late term abortion (i.e. as in the reasons stated above) there is anesthesia for the procedure just like for any other procedure....the fetus would feel nothing.

Nothing like being desperate enough to appeal (even more) to the emotion of an uneducated (often by choice) voting demographic. One that chooses to believe that 'babies are butchered and suffer in the womb!"

A demographic to whom statistics like 98.5% still amount to "oh all the babies!!!" and those rare cases are restricted to the sad desperate reasons mentioned in my 2nd sentence.

 

[Amadeus]

GOPers are always pro-life until their daughter gets pregnant when she's 15.

Or when their mistress gets pregnant.

 

[Kobie]

And the reason why it won't work is that the far-right evangelicals in the GOP want to get the U.S. government off of Wall Street's back and into every American bedroom, controlling every aspect of peoples private lives.

Not going to happen. Not today,not tomorrow, not ever.

Wait and see.

Hell, one of the last men standing in the 2012 GOP primaries was perfectly fine standing in front of people and saying that he was OK with bans on CONTRACEPTION. That's 19th century thinking at its finest.

 

[Peter King]

May God always bless the poor innocent defenseless baby in the womb.


GOP hopes it

This again proves the moronic nature of the republicans when it comes to the subject of abortion. Because almost all abortions have been done long before week 20. Usually abortions that late are for medical needs. So this will save almost no lives (if it saves any lives at all).

 

[Slartibartfast]

The abortion code would not make a good Hollywood movie

 

[JayDubya]

Any improvement is desirable, though a full ban is what is needed.

 

[Declan]

And the reason why it won't work is that the far-right evangelicals in the GOP want to get the U.S. government off of Wall Street's back and into every American bedroom, controlling every aspect of peoples private lives.

Not going to happen. Not today,not tomorrow, not ever.

Wait and see.

It won't work because the GOP has tried so much nonsense when it comes to abortion that anything they support will be seen as incremental trickery by more progressive jurists.

 

[year2late]

Break the code? Good grief. Who do they think they are going to effect?

That group would be women who are in medical danger and fetuses that have severe medical issues.

Probably should go back to trying to make corpses stay pregnant.

 

[year2late]

The abortion code would not make a good Hollywood movie

I dunno, with Tom Hanks in the lead role......

 

[Zyphlin]

May God always bless the poor innocent defenseless baby in the womb.


GOP hopes it

If they can get this talking point settled across the board....with candidates suggesting that why they personally are against it in all cases, they support the 20 week cutoff in terms of legislation...I think this could be beneficial to the Republicans in the election.

It takes a highly charged wedge issue and places the Republicans as the ones squarely taking a legitimate "compromise" position.

At the very least, it would take off the table the fear mongering that the democrats could do regarding the issue. Or, if not entirely off the table, it would severely weaken it.

All and all, IF they can manage to get this largely across the board AND if they can do a good job staying on message regarding policy as opposed to personal views, I could see this being a boon for the Republicans 2016 hopes.

 

[Stopandthink]

I'm not aware of that. Can you support that?

Even most pro-choice people here on the forum dont, except to save the mother's life or if the fetus is severely damaged. And the law supports that as well.

Could you explain why you feel viability makes any difference to the woman's control of her own body

 

[AGENT J]

If they can get this talking point settled across the board....with candidates suggesting that why they personally are against it in all cases, they support the 20 week cutoff in terms of legislation...I think this could be beneficial to the Republicans in the election.

It takes a highly charged wedge issue and places the Republicans as the ones squarely taking a legitimate "compromise" position.

At the very least, it would take off the table the fear mongering that the democrats could do regarding the issue. Or, if not entirely off the table, it would severely weaken it.

All and all, IF they can manage to get this largely across the board AND if they can do a good job staying on message regarding policy as opposed to personal views, I could see this being a boon for the Republicans 2016 hopes.

I agree in many ways but i think its impossible for the GOP.

you are right it would be a good position of compromise but theres not one fiber of my being that thinks they could pull it off the way they need too IMO.

I disagree on the talking point, you suggested, I think as soon as they mention personal opinions the suspicion goes through the roof and justifiably so.
I think they would have to come with talking points completely void of any personal positions and strictly focus on viability, medical and technological progression and medical backing of those things.
It would also have to be 100% void of any other additional restrictions besides 20/21 weeks.

I simply cant imagine they could ever pull that off nor can i imagine any other course wouldn't generate to much distrust and immediately sink the ship

and be clear im not picking on the GOP, i dont think either major party could pull off something like that on a hot topic and "stereotypical" issue (hot topic based off of media and squeaky wheels)
if the left had to come up with some gun legislation I think they would fall on the same blade

 

[Crovax]

I'm not aware of that. Can you support that?

Even most pro-choice people here on the forum dont, except to save the mother's life or if the fetus is severely damaged. And the law supports that as well.

Just 6 democrats voted for the bill and 190 democrats voted against it

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2013/roll251.xml

and of course lets not forget a quote from abortion barbie

Fewer than 2% of abortions occur after 20 weeks, and while they are uncommon, it is important that a woman and her doctor have every medical option available.