GOP has scheduled a vote on a 20-week abortion ban on Monday

[Crovax]

How long after? Are you sure it's abortion-on-demand?

7 states + DC allow it up until the moment of birth

1 state bans it after the 2nd trimester

17 states ban it after viability

6 states ban it after 24 weeks

and 19 states ban it after 20 weeks

 

[Chomsky]

7 states + DC allow it up until the moment of birth

1 state bans it after the 2nd trimester

17 states ban it after viability

6 states ban it after 24 weeks

and 19 states ban it after 20 weeks

I seem to recall viability as 26 weeks.

Anyway, thanks for the data.

What a hodgepodge of regulation. But that is state's rights. I can perhaps see the desire for having a uniform blanket federal regulation at the high-end of the spectrum, though. I suppose that might be something like 20-24 weeks. I always assumed there was a regulation to that effect, since I never heard of 3rd trimester abortion-on-demand.

But I'd first need for it to be proven that the federal government needs to step-in on the state's business. Show me what the states are doing wrong, to require federal intrusion. Perhaps the medical boards are making the decisions in the more lenient states, and they would seem to be more qualified than politicians in making these decisions.

 

[Crovax]

I seem to recall viability as 26 weeks.

Anyway, thanks for the data.

What a hodgepodge of regulation. But that is state's rights. I can perhaps see the desire for having a uniform blanket federal regulation at the high-end of the spectrum, though. I suppose that might be something like 20-24 weeks. I always assumed there was a regulation to that effect, since I never heard of 3rd trimester abortion-on-demand.

But I'd first need for it to be proven that the federal government needs to step-in on the state's business. Show me what the states are doing wrong, to require federal intrusion. Perhaps the medical boards are making the decisions in the more lenient states, and they would seem to be more qualified than politicians in making these decisions.

I dont think its about "what states are doing wrong", I think it has to do more with the ethical question of about the wanton destruction of a being that could possibly feel the pain of its death

 

[ludin]

Wow, the publicly displayed stupidity of Republican representatives. Blindly following...what exactly? Dogmatic, ideologically-borne lies?



From the depths of stupidity and blind, rigid bias, comes more wasted govt officials' time and taxapayer $...Republicans bring you more useless, feel-good legislation.

a) the unborn do not feel pain at 20 weeks

b) even if they did, there is no reason they would need to feel any pain during an abortion: anesthetic injection is available. (Jeebus people this isnt rocket science! Medical technology doesnt just disappear during an abortion :doh)

c) elective abortions dont even take place after 20 weeks. If someone has current data on those numbers, I'd like to see them.

A. by 8 weeks a baby responds to touch. by week 5 and 6 major nervous systems and their brain has been developed.
which would mean by default they would respond to stimulus of any kind.

B. which would still hurt. so what did that baby do to you?
C. late term abortion ban has been in effect for a while.

 

[Borkazork]

A. by 8 weeks a baby responds to touch. by week 5 and 6 major nervous systems and their brain has been developed.
which would mean by default they would respond to stimulus of any kind.

B. which would still hurt. so what did that baby do to you?
C. late term abortion ban has been in effect for a while.

Responding to stimuli is in no way equivalent to feeling or comprehending pain.

****ing corn responds to certain stimumi, that doesn't mean it feels pain when we harvest it.

I always love how people who have to resort to guilt and emotional appeal to make their point against abortion know almost nothing about child development.

 

[minnie616]

How long after? Are you sure it's abortion-on-demand?

7 states + DC allow it up until the moment of birth

1 state bans it after the 2nd trimester

17 states ban it after viability

6 states ban it after 24 weeks

and 19 states ban it after 20 weeks

Saying that 7 states and DC allow abortion on Demand up until the moment of birth is dishonest.

Those states and DC do not have gestation limits but since elective abortions do not happen after viability ( which is usually 23 or 24 weeks ) there is no need for a law banning them.

Oregon has no limits but they also have no abortion clinics that perform abortions past 24 weeks gestion anyway.

In fact in the USA there are only 3 clinics and 4 clinic doctors who perform abortions past 24 weeks in the extreme cases where the fetus is dead, dying or imcompatable ( will not survive ) with life or where irreparable damage ( stroke, heart attack, paralysis from the neck down , liver or kidney damage etc. ) would occur if the pregnancy continued.

 

[Crovax]

Saying that 7 states and DC allow abortion on Demand up until the moment of birth is dishonest.

No, its a factually correct statement that describes the legal status of abortion on demand.

Oregon has no limits but they also have no abortion clinics that perform abortions past 24 weeks gestion anyway.

That hardly matters since Oregon is one of the few states that doesnt require a licensed physician to preform an abortion.

 

[Crovax]

In fact in the USA there are only 3 clinics and 4 clinic doctors who perform abortions past 24 weeks in the extreme cases where the fetus is dead, dying or imcompatable ( will not survive ) with life or where irreparable damage ( stroke, heart attack, paralysis from the neck down , liver or kidney damage etc. ) would occur if the pregnancy continued.

Just because most doctors have at least some semblances of a moral obligation doesn't change that fact that if they wanted to abort a fetsus just seconds before birth there are 7 states and the city of Washington DC where it would be 100% COMPLETELY LEGAL to do so

 

[minnie616]

Just because most doctors have at least some semblances of a moral obligation doesn't change that fact that if they wanted to abort a fetsus just seconds before birth there are 7 states and the city of Washington DC where it would be 100% COMPLETELY LEGAL to do so

Not that easy.

Besides an abortion past 24 weeks is extremely risky for the women and the doctor.

The USA has a law that any fetus past 24 weeks gestation must be dead before the abortion contractions or an abortion extraction of the fetus starts.

A lethal shot must be injected into the heart of the fetus and the heart must have stopped beating before any further abortion steps take place.

Also since the fetus is dead and the contractions are medically induced , the contractions are much harder , more painful, and it takes longer to remove the fetus. Some late term therapeutic abortions take up to 3 days or more before the dead fetus is extracted.

 

[Anthony60]

What a sad state we are in on this issue when we are debating at what point it is okay to end a life for the most innocent among us.

 

[Hypothetical]

Personally I think this is an issue the federal government should keep its nose out of and get back to the items that they SHOULD Be discussing.

 

[Moderate Right]

Who said we should have all the laws a European country should have?

Which country was that?

Why should everyone you choose to put in the same political categories of the person who said #1 be answerable for what that person said?





Perhaps you thought that post was clever, but it was dishonest in the dumbest possible sense....

Just about every lefty on here wants us to be like Europe. Notice I qualified it this time with "just about"?

 

[Lursa]

A. by 8 weeks a baby responds to touch. by week 5 and 6 major nervous systems and their brain has been developed.
which would mean by default they would respond to stimulus of any kind.

B. which would still hurt. so what did that baby do to you?
C. late term abortion ban has been in effect for a while.

So if you continue to read further, you would learn that 'response to stimuli' is not feeling pain. That portion of the nervous system does not form until AFTER 20 weeks.

And yes, a pinprick for a needle for anesthesia, no different than your infant gets when being vaccinated. Is that cruel? No. (btw, how fun do you think being squeezed out of a vagina is? Please, feeling sensation/consciousness is pretty muted until birth or that unborn would be in agony on the way out.)

And in some states, there is no late term abortion ban. There isnt any need for one in any state: because elective abortions dont take place that late. Medically necessary abortions are not banned.

 

[dcsports]

7 states + DC allow it up until the moment of birth

1 state bans it after the 2nd trimester

17 states ban it after viability

6 states ban it after 24 weeks

and 19 states ban it after 20 weeks

There seems to be a lot of variation, but it's really due to the way Roe vs. Wade was written -- that States could ban abortion past the point of viability, and it was up to them to determine when that was. At the time, the benchmark was 24 weeks, but with advances in medicine the argument has been made for 20 weeks. A great case could be made, absolutely consistent with Roe vs. Wade, for the 20 week limit.

I personally have strong feelings in the matter. It breaks my heart that people are faced with making these decisions.

However, the conservative in me says the federal government has no place in this decision. Healthcare is a state issue, and this should be left up to the states.

 

[Lursa]

Fair point.

Especially considering I haven't heard of abortion-on-demand available in America after 20 weeks? I seem to recall perhaps 24 weeks, a long time ago.

There is no time limit on abortion in some states (and in all of Canada).

It's not necessary, women dont have elective abortions that late.

 

[Praxas]

What a sad state we are in on this issue when we are debating at what point it is okay to end a life for the most innocent among us.

Yes we should just accept laws that dictate a woman's body belongs to the government during pregnancy. :roll:

 

[Lursa]

I seem to recall viability as 26 weeks.

Anyway, thanks for the data.

What a hodgepodge of regulation. But that is state's rights. I can perhaps see the desire for having a uniform blanket federal regulation at the high-end of the spectrum, though. I suppose that might be something like 20-24 weeks. I always assumed there was a regulation to that effect, since I never heard of 3rd trimester abortion-on-demand.

But I'd first need for it to be proven that the federal government needs to step-in on the state's business. Show me what the states are doing wrong, to require federal intrusion. Perhaps the medical boards are making the decisions in the more lenient states, and they would seem to be more qualified than politicians in making these decisions.

Just ask what the need for additional legislation is.

If elective abortions dont take place late term...why is ANY legislation needed? Canada does just fine without limits and doesnt have elective late term abortions.

What are the numbers of elective late term abortions in the US? (they dont happen.)

 

[Lursa]

I dont think its about "what states are doing wrong", I think it has to do more with the ethical question of about the wanton destruction of a being that could possibly feel the pain of its death

ANother person buying into the lie.

Do you really think the pinprick of an injection remotely compares with being squeezed out of a vagina? If you are concerned, why arent you concerned about it feeling the pain of its birth?

 

[Lursa]

No, its a factually correct statement that describes the legal status of abortion on demand.



That hardly matters since Oregon is one of the few states that doesnt require a licensed physician to preform an abortion.

You completely ignored her information that elective late term abortions *arent happening.*

 

[Lursa]

Just because most doctors have at least some semblances of a moral obligation doesn't change that fact that if they wanted to abort a fetsus just seconds before birth there are 7 states and the city of Washington DC where it would be 100% COMPLETELY LEGAL to do so

Why does it matter if NO WOMEN request elective abortions that late?

So, a conservative...fan of of smaller govt, less govt intrusion in our lives, WANTS exactly that? More useless, feel-good legislation? More intrusion into personal lives?

 

[Lursa]

Personally I think this is an issue the federal government should keep its nose out of and get back to the items that they SHOULD Be discussing.

Unfortunately, women's rights still need to be protected at the federal level from some states' punitive and neanderthal practices.

 

[Lursa]

There seems to be a lot of variation, but it's really due to the way Roe vs. Wade was written -- that States could ban abortion past the point of viability, and it was up to them to determine when that was. At the time, the benchmark was 24 weeks, but with advances in medicine the argument has been made for 20 weeks. A great case could be made, absolutely consistent with Roe vs. Wade, for the 20 week limit.

I personally have strong feelings in the matter. It breaks my heart that people are faced with making these decisions.

However, the conservative in me says the federal government has no place in this decision. Healthcare is a state issue, and this should be left up to the states.

No successful births have occured before 22 weeks. 23-24 weeks are very very high risk with a low survival rate and the surviving babies are usually born with respiratory or other defects.

 

[Risky Thicket]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mcconnell-tees-up-vote-on-20-week-abortion-ban/ar-AAv8A9g

Abortion are illegal in the following countries:

Finland: after 12 weeks
Denmark: 12 Weeks
Sweden: 18 weeks
Norway: 18 weeks.

Suddenly we don’t want to be like Europe anymore? What happened

The GOP's addiction to Big Government and social engineering cannot be contained.

 

[RAMOSS]

If it's an elective abortion the woman needs to make that decision long before 20 weeks.

How come fathers don't have a say in abortions?

Because they are not taking the health risk of being pregnant

 

[dcsports]

No successful births have occured before 22 weeks. 23-24 weeks are very very high risk with a low survival rate and the surviving babies are usually born with respiratory or other defects.

Not sure what your point is here. One did occur at 21 weeks. At the time of Roe vs. Wade, a 24 week preterm was just as likely. Unfortunately, it's not an exact science, but you have to set the threshold somewhere. Or not... as some states have on limit.