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GOP Congresswoman: 'I Will Be Filing Articles of Impeachment Against Joe Biden' on January 21

After-Hour Prowler ! said:
Let’s be honest..... Trump is being impeached because they fear he will run again in 2024 & without voting by mail on the level of 2020, it will harder to cheat.
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That's not being honest at all. Not even a little bit. Trump will never run again for public office, because everyone who knows Trump knows he's incapable of handling losing. The last thing in the world he could bear would be to lose yet again - especially to the same team. Trump has never intended to run again, despite what he might allude to or hint at. His "campaign fundraising" is solely for the purpose of self enrichment at the expense of the duped cult who still send him money. All a person needs to do is read the wording of his reelection site, which states specifically that any contributions less than $10,000 are basically his to play with, and need not be used for future campaigns. Only people who refuse to see him for what he is would think he could actually run again.

He's being impeached for High Crimes and Misdemeanors - in an effort to castrate him before he does the country any more damage.
 
JasperL said:
What line did I move?

And I cannot convince you of my views, but what no MAGA Trumper has done on any of these threads is actually defend his conduct. All I've seen are various forms of butwhataboutism, and accusations of hypocrisy. If you want to take a shot at defending Trump on the merits, do it. If you want to assert that lying about election fraud, up through the electoral college, after he's lost that, and then pressuring the VP to unilaterally toss validly cast EC votes, etc. then do it. Don't tell me I'm a hypocrite for believing it's over the line - tell me why you think it's NOT.

Trump's behavior was totally acceptable for the President of the United States because________________________. If it's not a version of "but the Democrats!!" then what is your argument?

If we accept the premise, all it means is that elections no longer decide who is the next President. What does is who controls the state legislatures in a few swing states, what the VP is willing to do and whether or not the Democrats or Republicans represent the most number of states in Congress. What Trump et al. argued is those legislatures then the congress can on claims rejected by EVERY court simply throw out entire elections, and ultimately the votes of 160 million Americans. And if the POTUS gins up a violent mob and does nothing as an insurrection is taking place, all that is just fine!
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What would I defend Trump of? He didn't do anything that requires defending. Everything he did, he was within his legal rights to do.

Progressives are trying to create an artifical standard for Trump and Republicans in general that they don't live up to themselves. Thats not whataboutism, its a fact.
 
trouble13 said:
What would I defend Trump of? He didn't do anything that requires defending. Everything he did, he was within his legal rights to do.

Progressives are trying to create an artifical standard for Trump and Republicans in general that they don't live up to themselves. Thats not whataboutism, its a fact.
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No it isn't.
 
JasperL said:
OK, so you support a different justice system for the rich and for the poor. If they are rich, then it's fine they get to sit at home in their nice house while awaiting trial, and the poor - **** them. Let them rot in jail.


She didn't bail out anyone. She supported a group who bailed out lots of defendants, about 99.9% of them NOT child abusers, but this talking point sounds really scary, so go with it I guess.

But the problem is you support child abusers getting out on bail, but ONLY IF THEY ARE WEALTHY. How is that more morally righteous?
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Unlike VP Harris, I don’t support bailing out anyone, especially child abusers.
 
bearpoker said:
Look at Georgia's record of electing only Republican senators. Trump ruined that. The stench of Trump will be all over the Republicans for years to come.
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You can thank Stephanie Abrams for Georgia.
Her group was caught sending ballots out of state which is a felony. Unfortunately Abrams is untouchable because she is a ........
Women of Color
 
MamboDervish said:
That's not being honest at all. Not even a little bit. Trump will never run again for public office, because everyone who knows Trump knows he's incapable of handling losing. The last thing in the world he could bear would be to lose yet again - especially to the same team. Trump has never intended to run again, despite what he might allude to or hint at. His "campaign fundraising" is solely for the purpose of self enrichment at the expense of the duped cult who still send him money. All a person needs to do is read the wording of his reelection site, which states specifically that any contributions less than $10,000 are basically his to play with, and need not be used for future campaigns. Only people who refuse to see him for what he is would think he could actually run again.

He's being impeached for High Crimes and Misdemeanors - in an effort to castrate him before he does the country any more damage.
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If you think he should be impeached, then you should be able to point out what he said that warrants impeachment ?

Kamala Harris said the the BLM rioters should continue. She faced no backlash.

What exactly did Trump say that warrants impeachment ?
 
trouble13 said:
Thats not the standard. They just need to pretend he did something wrong just like they are doing to Trump.
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With Trump there was never a need to pretend. There was so much material. The challenge was to whittle the articles down to a manageable number.
 
trouble13 said:
He didn't do anything that requires defending. Everything he did, he was within his legal rights to do.
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It may indeed be within "his legal rights" to do absolutely nothing about hour-after-hour of ongoing riot against the Capitol Building, but that is, at the very least, a dereliction of his duty as the leader of this country. Any other president would not have waited until days later to condemn the violent activities that his own words - his own LIES - had helped to incite.

trouble13 said:
Progressives are trying to create an artifical standard for Trump and Republicans in general that they don't live up to themselves. Thats not whataboutism, its a fact.
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There's no evidence that progressives are doing anything of the sort. It's a non-fact.
 
MamboDervish said:
That's not being honest at all. Not even a little bit. Trump will never run again for public office, because everyone who knows Trump knows he's incapable of handling losing. The last thing in the world he could bear would be to lose yet again - especially to the same team. Trump has never intended to run again, despite what he might allude to or hint at. His "campaign fundraising" is solely for the purpose of self enrichment at the expense of the duped cult who still send him money. All a person needs to do is read the wording of his reelection site, which states specifically that any contributions less than $10,000 are basically his to play with, and need not be used for future campaigns. Only people who refuse to see him for what he is would think he could actually run again.

He's being impeached for High Crimes and Misdemeanors - in an effort to castrate him before he does the country any more damage.
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If he is convicted, it'll be because the Republicans want to get rid of him, now that he's a liability.
 
bearpoker said:
With Trump there was never a need to pretend. There was so much material. The challenge was to whittle the articles down to a manageable number.
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Feel free to list all his alleged crimes and I will methodically debunk each of them.
 
After-Hour Prowler ! said:
If you think he should be impeached, then you should be able to point out what he said that warrants impeachment ?

Kamala Harris said the the BLM rioters should continue. She faced no backlash.

What exactly did Trump say that warrants impeachment ?
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Read the Articles of Impeachment that were filed yesterday.
They aren't a secret - they're public knowledge!
:rolleyes:
 
trouble13 said:
Feel free to list all his alleged crimes and I will methodically debunk each of them.
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You mean you'll deny each one. Like Barr did when he characterized the Mueller report.
 
bearpoker said:
With Trump there was never a need to pretend. There was so much material. The challenge was to whittle the articles down to a manageable number.
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In fact, the restraint of the Democrats has been astonishing. They could have impeached him for violations of the emoluments clause. They could have impeached him for Obstruction of Justice. He should have been impeached FOUR TIMES instead of only 2.
 
After-Hour Prowler ! said:
If you think he should be impeached, then you should be able to point out what he said that warrants impeachment ?

Kamala Harris said the the BLM rioters should continue. She faced no backlash.

What exactly did Trump say that warrants impeachment ?
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Kamala Harris never said rioters should continue. NEVER! BLM demonstrated - they didn't riot - and that is exactly what she was referring to.
Stop asking questions that are easily answered by just reading the Articles of Impeachment. Feel free to waste your time arguing with them.
 
bearpoker said:
If he is convicted, it'll be because the Republicans want to get rid of him, now that he's a liability.
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AND because he's dangerous! There were Republicans in the House and Senate when the Capitol Building was invaded and occupied last Wednesday. They were quite justifiably as terrified as the Democrats and Independents were.
 
bongsaway said:
Let the republican version of healing begin. I think it's funny as hell too. For four years the right has complained about how the left never gave trump a chance. It's probably because we saw what the entire gop refused to see in the man and guess what, we were correct. Trump has brought everything that has fallen onto him all by himself. As usual the whacky R's are still doing their same old same old, making a mockery of our democracy.
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And they didn't bother to look back and see how they treated Obama for 8 years.
First thing they did when he first was elected was tell us out right that they were not going to work with him and were going to do everything they could to make him a one term President.
It is a bitch when what goes around comes around , and right now that seems to be what is going to keep happening till somebody decides to grow up
Have a nice day
 
Somebody should make sure she understands that it doesn't put Trump back in office
 
rocket88 said:
For one thing, there is no crime right now.
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People like her have played a nasty game against "the left" for so long that they naturally assume that this is all the other side does also. She firmly believes that Trump is a victim.

I'm convinced that Trump probably thinks he has done nothing wrong. He and the rest spent so many years exaggerating absolutely anything Obama said or did into the absolute worse thing to ever happen to America, that they naturally assume that all of this criticism towards Trump is just more of the same, but from the other side. To protect that delusion, they pretend that it's all of the right versus the left.

- They will call out one who betrays Trump a "rino"...
- They will call center-right news sources "fake news"...
- They will chastise FOX News for daring to break ranks...
- They will witness 10 Republicans in the House impeach Trump.

But during every single Trump scandal they are back to "oh that's just 'the left' being unfair." They always turn to their game of "us versus them" to comfort them. They refuse to ever look in the mirror and call a national traitor a national traitor. This woman is such a traitor to her nation and to her duties to the country, that she would rather use her power to burn the nation down and destroy its institutions than actually look at Trump and then face herself in the mirror. She's a coward.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
There was talk of a Trump impeachment before he was even inaugurated.

I see this as a simple tit for tat that is not going anywhere besides giving the masses a bone to chew on.
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Well, unlike most president-elects, Trump already committed impeachable acts (imo) including begging Russia to hack his political opponents (which they did) and refusing to adhere to the emoluments clause.
 
Fishking said:
She needs to shut up and focus on passing legislation she believes in, not rehashing losing and trying to find out some other way to win (which will result in everyone losing). People need to stop this cycle of escalation and be adults before everything is destroyed.
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