Goodbye Federal unions.

[Jezcoe]

Unions started to prevent newly freed blacks from competing with white workers.

That is part of the history. Not going to say it isn’t.

Subsequent labor movements were more inclusive of women and minorities.

I have an inkling that since government work is one way that minorities have been able to reach and maintain the middle class that is for some reason seen as lesser work.

 

[Jezcoe]

I’ll never understand cheering against fellow workers.

It doesn’t make any sense to me.

Some people are just temporarily embarrassed billionaires

 

[aociswundumho]

I think the French would rather be slightly less wealthy and have a decent work life balance.

The problem is gdp compounds just like interest. Small changes make a huge difference over time.

 

[Peter]

I’ll never understand cheering against fellow workers.

It doesn’t make any sense to me.

They hate the idea that workers should have any ability to bargain for better working conditions and pay.
They think workers should just be eternally happy to have a job and accept any offer an employer gives them however meagre.
On the flip side they are enraged when anyone questions that CEOs are now getting 500 times more than a standard worker and claim anyone who objects is a communist and is just jealous.

It's cynical and they don't realise they've been played by the top 0.1% into being their most ardent advocates.

 

[Eriech]

I'm surprised no threads yet of federal unions being disassembled.

About time. I will believe when it is done.

 

[aociswundumho]

I’ll never understand cheering against fellow workers.

Well that's what unions do. They call their fellow workers who wish to compete for jobs "scabs".

It doesn’t make any sense to me.

 

[Peter]

The problem is gdp compounds just like interest. Small changes make a huge difference over time.

Again, the French and Europe as a whole would rather actually have a life than spend it at work for employers who don't give a single shit about us.

There's more to life than the accumulation of wealth for the sake of it.

 

[aociswundumho]

They hate the idea that workers should have any ability to bargain for better working conditions and pay.

It's not a negotiation if one party can't walk away from the table.

They think workers should just be eternally happy to have a job and accept any offer an employer gives them however meagre.

No, I think if you don't like the job or the pay you should quit.

 

[HenryChinaski]

Unions have done great things for this nation in the past. Now most of them abuse their power.

How

 

[Peter]

It's not a negotiation if one party can't walk away from the table.



No, I think if you don't like the job or the pay you should quit.

So, I assume if you don't ever get another pay rise ever and the company just decides to keep paying you the same you'll be just fine with that as per your own rules.
If you don't like it just quit. You wouldn't ever try and enter into a negotiation with them as that's just not right.

 

[Lord of Planar]

Everyone protects bad cops. The problem is systemic behind their labor rights.

There is a line that needs to be made. there are bad cops that need to be fired.

That sounds like a lazy supervisor

Or a supervisor already working 60 hours a week and doesn't have the time.

That is not how any of that works.

You will have a hard time convincing me of that.

Why blame the workers for the government’s inability to uphold its contract?

I don't blame the workers on this issue. I gave this as an example as to why there should not be government employee unions.

 

[aociswundumho]

Again, the French and Europe as a whole would rather actually have a life than spend it at work for employers who don't give a single shit about us.

There's more to life than the accumulation of wealth for the sake of it.

Of course, but the question is: Is coddling workers worth it in the long term? The answer is no:

Seemingly small differences in yearly GDP growth lead to large changes in GDP when compounded over time. For instance, in the above table, GDP per person in the United Kingdom in the year 1870 was $4,808. At the same time in the United States, GDP per person was $4,007, lower than the UK by about 20%. However, in 2008 the positions were reversed: GDP per person was $36,130 in the United Kingdom and $46,970 in the United States, i.e. GDP per person in the US was 30% more than it was in the UK. As the above table shows, this means that GDP per person grew, on average, by 1.80% per year in the US and by 1.47% in the UK. Thus, a difference in GDP growth by only a few tenths of a percent per year results in large differences in outcomes when the growth is persistent over a generation.

 

[Lord of Planar]

I’ll never understand cheering against fellow workers.

It doesn’t make any sense to me.

That is not what this is about.

 

[Jezcoe]

There is a line that needs to be made. there are bad cops that need to be fired.

Agreed. And there needs to be a national database so they can’t simply be hired elsewhere.

But they should still have labor protections.

Or a supervisor already working 60 hours a week and doesn't have the time.

That seems like a management issue.

You will have a hard time convincing me of that.

This isn’t the 70’s. Unions are pretty weak these days.

I don't blame the workers on this issue. I gave this as an example as to why there should not be government employee unions.

That is also a problem with management… not labor.

 

[Jezcoe]

Of course, but the question is: Is coddling workers worth it in the long term? The answer is no:

What use is endless economic growth if the majority of created wealth is concentrated at the top?

 

[Lord of Planar]

That is also a problem with management… not labor.

In this case, politicians getting their palms greased.

 

[Helix]

The government can be just as terrible and abusive of an employer as the private sector.

Cheering on the erosion of labor rights is very weird.

It's what they do.

 

[Helix]

Maybe they shouldn't have pissed so many people off.

Ah. Hold that thought.

 

[Peter]

Of course, but the question is: Is coddling workers worth it in the long term? The answer is no:

Nobody is coddling workers.
We simply don't wish to spend our lives at work.
You're free to spend your entire life at work if you like and Europe will continue to vote for rules that let us have a healthy work life balance.

Enjoy that 10 days a year holiday that most Americans don't even take due to peer pressure.

As I said, you've been brainwashed into working yourselves to death and you think its fantastic.

 

[Jezcoe]

In this case, politicians getting their palms greased.

So for that fear the worker should be punished?

 

[Peter]

What use is endless economic growth if the majority of created wealth is concentrated at the top?

Surely trickledown will finally work once the US has a few trillionaires.
Just keep shoveling money towards Musk and his friends and he will eventually benefit everyone.
Just have faith in the trickledown miracle.

 

[CaughtInThe]

I’ll never understand cheering against fellow workers.

It doesn’t make any sense to me.

It's because MAGA has been conditioned to be sheep in support of the most rich Americans who know how to USE them for more $$$$$$$$$ for themselves.

For example, here's one of the Americans that conditions them...

 

[Jezcoe]

It's because MAGA has been conditioned to be sheep in support of the most rich Americans who know how to USE them for more $$$$$$$$$ for themselves.

For example, here's one of the Americans that conditions them...



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I am pretty sure he is a member of AFTRA.

 

[Lord of Planar]

So for that fear the worker should be punished?

How would they be punished?

Business as usual will have their retirement plans go bankrupt. The current agreement will fail.

 

[Jezcoe]

How would they be punished?

By having their union labor protections taken away.

Business as usual will have their retirement plans go bankrupt. The current agreement will fail.

The State should make good on their promise.