Good guy with a gun.

[zsu2357]

What about a guy who minds his own business and DOESN'T do "good" things ?

It's a good bet if he's minding his own business and not someone else's he has a very good potential to be one of the good guys by default.

 

[Bodi]

The part about except for the LE out to shoot people in the back (I noticed no sarcasm in your reply to Rich) guess what side you think I think your on.

Since you do not detect sarcasm you are free to guess as much as you like...

 

[zsu2357]

True story.

There were these twin girls in the neighborhood, around 13-14 and very pretty.

This guy, about 40, somehow talked them into coming over to his rental.

My cousin's daughter told my cousin. My cousin got a gun. A lot of American stories start out like that, "he got a gun."

My cousin went over to the rental. Got the the two girls out and told the man he had to leave the neighborhood, like now.

The man left the neighborhood.

Was it legal? Probably not.


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Well if it actually happened and isn't just an fig newton of your imitation it may not have been exactly legal and that's only because I know of no details other than what you have specified. If indeed it happened and he beat it then he probably was up to no good. Be glad your cousin isn't a wussy.

 

[Rich2018]

It's a good bet if he's minding his own business and not someone else's he has a very good potential to be one of the good guys by default.

But as we've seen, that doesn't always follow...many mass shooters had no violent criminal history.

 

[zsu2357]

But as we've seen, that doesn't always follow...many mass shooters had no violent criminal history.

So what do we infer from that? Everyone with no violent history is a mass shooting ready to happen?

 

[Rich2018]

So what do we infer from that? Everyone with no violent history is a mass shooting ready to happen?

No, how do you get that ?

It seems you present a false dichotomy that all gun owners must be:

A good guy with a gun
Or
A bad guy with a gun

Why only two choices ?

 

[zsu2357]

No, how do you get that ?

Post 54 You said: "But as we've seen, that doesn't always follow...many mass shooters had no violent criminal history."

It seems you present a false dichotomy that all gun owners must be:

Rich you opened that can of worms. Why is it that the ones with the violent criminal history or just plain violence seem to slip through all these great background checks? I know, so the good guys can have more restrictions thrown at them.

A good guy with a gun
Or
A bad guy with a gun

Why only two choices ?

Left up to you and friends there would be no choice.

 

[Rich2018]

Post 54 You said: "But as we've seen, that doesn't always follow...many mass shooters had no violent criminal history."

But you said:

So what do we infer from that? Everyone with no violent history is a mass shooting ready to happen?

When what I actually said was "...many mass shooters had no violent criminal history"

Since when did "Many" = "Everyone"

...why is it that the ones with the violent criminal history or just plain violence seem to slip through all these great background checks?

That's one of tenets of gun control

We can't know which gun owners will cause a mass shooting....take the Vegas shooter, was he a likely mass shooter ?
Sure, in hindsight we can pick out "warning signs" but if every gun owners with those kind of "warning signs", had their guns confiscated, there'd be an avalanche of protest from the right

I know, so the good guys can have more restrictions thrown at them.

Because some of them, unfortunately, will turn out to be "bad" guys with a gun

Left up to you and friends there would be no choice.

In an ideal world, there wouldn't

But in reality gun owners can't be divided into two groups of "good" and "bad".

 

[Noodlegawd]

Then VP Mike Pence, May 2018:

"The quickest way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun"​

WATCH: 'The quickest way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun,' Pence says at NRA convention

Vice President Mike Pence is offering a vigorous defense of the Second Amendment in an address to the National Rifle Association's annual convention in Dallas.

www.pbs.org

Er...the thread topic is "Good guy with a gun."

So to ask again:

"So what proportion of gun owners do claim have proven themselves "good" guys, in your opinion ?Are you saying their criteria for a "good" guy with a gun is wrong ?

Notice the verbatim word for word...?

Do you have anything even remotely resembling a coherent point?

 

[Rich2018]

Do you have anything even remotely resembling a coherent point?

Do I really need to join the dots for you?

You said:

Strange. In the 8+ years since La Pierre uttered that very general catchphrase, I've mostly only ever seen the gun control lobby repeat it...

So I gave you an instance of then VP Mike Pence "repeating it" in May 2018
That is - unless you regard Mike Pence as part of the "gun control lobby"

Is the point "coherent" enough for you now ???

 

[phoenix2020]

There are good guys with and without guns, and bad guys with and without guns. Same as is true about good/bad guys with/without hammers, computer keyboards and tennis rackets.

 

[Rich2018]

There are good guys with and without guns, and bad guys with and without guns. Same as is true about good/bad guys with/without hammers, computer keyboards and tennis rackets.

And there are guys who are neither good nor bad...but can become either.

 

[phoenix2020]

And there are guys who are neither good nor bad...but can become either.

True. There are chaotic neutral guys with guns as well.

 

[Rich2018]

True. There are chaotic neutral guys with guns as well.

And how the eventually turn out if often an accident of circumstances.

 

[Noodlegawd]

Do I really need to join the dots for you?

You said:


So I gave you an instance of then VP Mike Pence "repeating it" in May 2018
That is - unless you regard Mike Pence as part of the "gun control lobby"

Is the point "coherent" enough for you now ???

No, whatever point you have is totally incoherent. But feel free to connect the dots for me if you have an actual point about "good guys."

 

[Rich2018]

No, whatever point you have is totally incoherent. But feel free to connect the dots for me if you have an actual point about "good guys."

That you don't understand does not make anything "incoherent"


You said:

Strange. In the 8+ years since La Pierre uttered that very general catchphrase, I've mostly only ever seen the gun control lobby repeat it...

So I gave you an instance of then VP Mike Pence "repeating it" in May 2018

So to join the dots in a bold, black sharpie pen, that hopefully even you can follow:
When then VP Pence repeated the "catchphrase" as you put it, it was THREE years ago, which is EARLIER than the "EIGHT+" years since you claim to have first heard it

3 < 8


Is the point "coherent" enough for you now or do you need the dots joined up with sugar candy ???

 

[Noodlegawd]

That you don't understand does not make anything "incoherent"


You said:


So I gave you an instance of then VP Mike Pence "repeating it" in May 2018

So to join the dots in a bold, black sharpie pen, that hopefully even you can follow:
When then VP Pence repeated the "catchphrase" as you put it, it was THREE years ago, which is EARLIER than the "EIGHT+" years since you claim to have first heard it

3 < 8


Is the point "coherent" enough for you now or do you need the dots joined up with sugar candy ???

No, because you haven't actually identified a reason that you are obsessed with the meaning of "good guy," or who used the term, or what exactly was wrong with the statement in the first place.

Do you not agree that good guys with guns can and often do stop bad guys with guns, or that it's easier to stop a bad guy with a gun if you have one yourself?

 

[Rich2018]

No, because you haven't actually identified a reason that you are obsessed with the meaning of "good guy," or who used the term, or what exactly was wrong with the statement in the first place.

Do you not agree that good guys with guns can and often do stop bad guys with guns, or that it's easier to stop a bad guy with a gun if you have one yourself?

The "reason" is that you said:

Strange. In the 8+ years since La Pierre uttered that very general catchphrase, I've mostly only ever seen the gun control lobby repeat it...

Well now you're aware of an instance of someone, other than the gun control lobby, repeat it since then

Considered yourself schooled.