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Good and evil are religious constructs

maquiscat said:
Why can't it be good is the absence of evil?
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evil and good are inherently different in other ways

pursuing evil is the pursuit of good things, when you do evil things, you want good things out of it so with evil, there will always be a little bit of good, BUT you dont pursue good things for evil purposes
 
"Whenever a person raises the problem of evil, they are also positing the existence of good. When you say something is evil you assume something is good. If you assume there’s such a thing as good, you assume there’s such a thing as a moral law on the basis of which to differentiate between good and evil. If you assume there’s such a thing as a moral law, you must posit a moral law giver, because if there’s not a moral law giver, there’s no moral law. If there’s no moral law, there’s no good. If there’s no good, there’s no evil. So what is their question? The mention of evil confirms there is a moral framework in life. "

"The search for moral absolutes without a transcendent reference (i.e. God) is an impossibility, for what you have left is simply moral relativism, where one person's thought-out morality is arguably as good as that of another."

"The process of secularization, combined with moral relativism, when its done its work, will ultimately destroy a sense of shame in a culture. Secularization has a deadly effect when it is uninformed by a transcendent moral order" (i.e. God)."

All quotes by Christian speaker and philosopher Ravi Zacharias (Zacharias has untreatable, late-term cancer and is not expected to live)
 
Tim the plumber said:

No.

You still have it wrong.

Doing nothing is generally neutral.

It can be bad to do nothing.

It can be good to do nothing.

The real world is far more complex than you want it to be.
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there is no such thing as neutral when talking about this stuff. If you do nothing, you are good
 
TypicalRussian said:
there is no such thing as neutral when talking about this stuff. If you do nothing, you are good
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No.

If there is a child on fire doing nothing when you should save the child, put out the fire and get medical help is evil.

The world is far more complex than you want it to be.
 
Tim the plumber said:
No.

If there is a child on fire doing nothing when you should save the child, put out the fire and get medical help is evil.

The world is far more complex than you want it to be.
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that is doing someting, not nothing
 
TypicalRussian said:
that is doing someting, not nothing
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Yes.

In that circumstance doing nothing would be evil.

So sometimes you have to do something to not be evil.

Sometimes you have to do nothing to not be evil.

It is more complex than you want it to be. Unlucky.
 
Tim the plumber said:
No.

If there is a child on fire doing nothing when you should save the child, put out the fire and get medical help is evil.

The world is far more complex than you want it to be.
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TypicalRussian said:
that is doing someting, not nothing
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You no read very good. Let me simplify his example for you a bit.

If there is a child on fire doing nothing, is evil.

Unless you are trying to make the argument that no one truly ever "does nothing".
 
Tim the plumber said:
No.

If there is a child on fire doing nothing when you should save the child, put out the fire and get medical help is evil.

The world is far more complex than you want it to be.
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Excellent example.
 
Logicman said:
"Whenever a person raises the problem of evil, they are also positing the existence of good. When you say something is evil you assume something is good. If you assume there’s such a thing as good, you assume there’s such a thing as a moral law on the basis of which to differentiate between good and evil. If you assume there’s such a thing as a moral law, you must posit a moral law giver, because if there’s not a moral law giver, there’s no moral law. If there’s no moral law, there’s no good. If there’s no good, there’s no evil. So what is their question? The mention of evil confirms there is a moral framework in life. "

"The search for moral absolutes without a transcendent reference (i.e. God) is an impossibility, for what you have left is simply moral relativism, where one person's thought-out morality is arguably as good as that of another."

"The process of secularization, combined with moral relativism, when its done its work, will ultimately destroy a sense of shame in a culture. Secularization has a deadly effect when it is uninformed by a transcendent moral order" (i.e. God)."

All quotes by Christian speaker and philosopher Ravi Zacharias (Zacharias has untreatable, late-term cancer and is not expected to live)
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He was a very good conman. In Trump's league imo. And like Trump easily recognized the most gullible.
 
maquiscat said:
You no read very good. Let me simplify his example for you a bit.

If there is a child on fire doing nothing, is evil.

Unless you are trying to make the argument that no one truly ever "does nothing".
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rtrewtgRGF
 
Tim the plumber said:
Yes.

In that circumstance doing nothing would be evil.

So sometimes you have to do something to not be evil.

Sometimes you have to do nothing to not be evil.

It is more complex than you want it to be. Unlucky.
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it is no evil:lamo
 
JustHanging said:
He was a very good conman. In Trump's league imo. And like Trump easily recognized the most gullible.
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Baloney. You wish you had the wisdom Ravi Zacharias puts out in this message:

Ravi Zacharias speaking to a Muslim Sheik: "A little distance from here is a mountain upon which Abraham went 5,000 years ago to offer his son. You may say the son was one (Ishmael); I may say it’s another (Isaac). Let’s not argue about that. He took his son up there. And as the axe was about to fall, God said, ‘Stop.’” I said, “Do you know what God said after that?” He shook his head. I said, “God said, ‘I myself will provide.’” He nodded his head.

I said, “Very close to where you and I are sitting, Sheik, is a hill. Two thousand years ago, God kept that promise and brought his own Son and the axe did not stop this time. He sacrificed his own Son.”

I said, “Sheik, I just want you to hear this. Until you and I receive the Son God has provided, we’ll be offering our own sons and daughters on the battlefields of this world for many of the wrong reasons.”
 
Logicman said:
"Whenever a person raises the problem of evil, they are also positing the existence of good. When you say something is evil you assume something is good. If you assume there’s such a thing as good, you assume there’s such a thing as a moral law on the basis of which to differentiate between good and evil. If you assume there’s such a thing as a moral law, you must posit a moral law giver, because if there’s not a moral law giver, there’s no moral law. If there’s no moral law, there’s no good. If there’s no good, there’s no evil. So what is their question? The mention of evil confirms there is a moral framework in life. "

"The search for moral absolutes without a transcendent reference (i.e. God) is an impossibility, for what you have left is simply moral relativism, where one person's thought-out morality is arguably as good as that of another."

"The process of secularization, combined with moral relativism, when its done its work, will ultimately destroy a sense of shame in a culture. Secularization has a deadly effect when it is uninformed by a transcendent moral order" (i.e. God)."

All quotes by Christian speaker and philosopher Ravi Zacharias (Zacharias has untreatable, late-term cancer and is not expected to live)
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And why should I accept anything that con man and fraud has to say? He has been caught in too many lies about his professional qualifications for me to take anything he says seriously.
 
RAMOSS said:
And why should I accept anything that con man and fraud has to say?
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Why should I entertain your horse manure question? You haven't made a reputable post that I could see in recent memory.
 
Logicman said:
Why should I entertain your horse manure question? You haven't made a reputable post that I could see in recent memory.
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You could, for once, use valid sources. Someone who lies about their academics is someone who is not a good source. That is point one. The next point would be to show what they say is true. Except for showing a youtube video, I see no evidence you actually read or saw what he said.
 
RAMOSS said:
You could, for once, use valid sources. Someone who lies about their academics is someone who is not a good source. That is point one. The next point would be to show what they say is true. Except for showing a youtube video, I see no evidence you actually read or saw what he said.
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Don't bother me with your nonsense.
 
Logicman said:
Don't bother me with your nonsense.
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And what nonsense is that?? Can you show any of the points I made are wrong? Why are you using someone who had a habit of lying about his academic achievements?
 
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