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God, Science and Abortion meet and agree

I've already answered. Your premise is ridiculous that man cannot enforce laws which also violate God's law. Now it's your turn to answer why you allow for the same thing. But you never answer.
I never said that. Dont lie. Your Catholic cult has invented many sins/laws out of God's Word that are not American law. They reduce people's personal liberty and Const rights on many levels.

For example, your theocracy would make laws against sex outside marriage. It would forbid abortion, it would forbid gay marriage. It would outlaw contraception.

I am speaking about those types of laws, which would be enforeced in a Catholic theocracy. Now try again, try to be honest, instead of lying and avoiding again:

Now, when are you going to justify that egregious sin, that usurpation of God's Authority that violates God's Will? I've asked you many times. How do you justify your personal desire for Catholic theocracy?

Why wont you answer?
 
Yes, that is what everyone thinks about your preaching.
"For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. For as they were in those days before the Flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be." Matthew 24:37-39
 
"For just as the days of Noah were, so the presence of the Son of man will be. For as they were in those days before the Flood, eating and drinking, men marrying and women being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and they took no note until the Flood came and swept them all away, so the presence of the Son of man will be." Matthew 24:37-39

Noah and the Ark. *L*
 
"The dichotomy of supposedly having free will in a supposedly preordained life is quite amusing."
Hogwash...there is no preordained life with free will...stop making things up...

You need to read Luther and Calvin.
 
I never said that. Dont lie. Your Catholic cult has invented many sins/laws out of God's Word that are not American law. They reduce people's personal liberty and Const rights on many levels.

For example, your theocracy would make laws against sex outside marriage. It would forbid abortion, it would forbid gay marriage. It would outlaw contraception.

I am speaking about those types of laws, which would be enforeced in a Catholic theocracy. Now try again, try to be honest, instead of lying and avoiding again:

Now, when are you going to justify that egregious sin, that usurpation of God's Authority that violates God's Will? I've asked you many times. How do you justify your personal desire for Catholic theocracy?

Why wont you answer?
Many or most states have had laws against fornication and sodomy. Some have them today. Are you saying the US has been a theocracy?

And I notice you still haven't answered the question I asked earlier as to how you justify the usurpation of God's authority as you claim earthly prosecution does.
 
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I'm not getting into yet another of your silly arguments, for I find any attempt to have a reasonable debate with you an exercise in futility owing to your lack of skill. You can demonstrate where the logic fails, as you have NOT done that before, or you can just rant on with your usual vapid drivel. If you decide to attempt the former, I will engage you.
I stopped reading her drivel a while back.
 
I never said that. Dont lie. Your Catholic cult has invented many sins/laws out of God's Word that are not American law. They reduce people's personal liberty and Const rights on many levels.

For example, your theocracy would make laws against sex outside marriage. It would forbid abortion, it would forbid gay marriage. It would outlaw contraception.

I am speaking about those types of laws, which would be enforeced in a Catholic theocracy. Now try again, try to be honest, instead of lying and avoiding again:

Now, when are you going to justify that egregious sin, that usurpation of God's Authority that violates God's Will? I've asked you many times. How do you justify your personal desire for Catholic theocracy?

Why wont you answer?
Many or most states have had laws against fornication and sodomy. Some have them today. Are you saying the US has been a theocracy?
Please answer my question and I will answer yours.

Now, when are you going to justify that egregious sin, that usurpation of God's Authority that violates God's Will? I've asked you many times. How do you justify your personal desire for Catholic theocracy?

Why wont you answer?
 
Many or most states have had laws against fornication and sodomy. Some have them today. Are you saying the US has been a theocracy?

And I notice you still haven't answered the question I asked earlier as to how you justify the usurpation of God's authority as you claim earthly prosecution does.

That's simple. You just write a Constitution that includes separation of church and state, and that insures that the laws in that society will be based in secularism and that "God" has no say.
 
That's simple. You just write a Constitution that includes separation of church and state, and that insures that the laws in that society will be based in secularism and that "God" has no say.
That's ridiculous and impossible. Since God and 'good' are one and the same, you would have to take the 'good' out of all the laws to accomplish such separation. There is no such thing as a vacuum when it comes to morality. Laws are either moral or immoral, right or wrong, and godly or godless. So since the choice is atheism or theism, I and everyone else will choose theism. I choose Roman Catholicism, because it is the belief that comes directly from Jesus.
 
That's simple. You just write a Constitution that includes separation of church and state, and that insures that the laws in that society will be based in secularism and that "God" has no say.
Exactly...our govt and laws dont have to recognize God's Authority or Law at all. Those of us that are Christians are welcome to follow His Laws as He granted. When He gave us free will :D His Word and Laws are all still available for any to choose and follow.
 
That's ridiculous and impossible. Since God and 'good' are one and the same, you would have to take the 'good' out of all the laws to accomplish such separation. There is no such thing as a vacuum when it comes to morality. Laws are either moral or immoral, right or wrong, and godly or godless. So since the choice is atheism or theism, I and everyone else will choose theism. I choose Roman Catholicism, because it is the belief that comes directly from Jesus.


"Good" can easily be derived without God simply by men sitting down and talking to one another regarding the manner in which a civil society should best function in a way that would form a solid long-term society and then base those laws on that. It was called a Constitutional Convention and is how the Founding Fathers came up with the Constitution upon which the laws of the land are based.
 
"Good" can easily be derived without God simply by men sitting down and talking to one another regarding the manner in which a civil society should best function in a way that would form a solid long-term society and then base those laws on that. It was called a Constitutional Convention and is how the Founding Fathers came up with the Constitution upon which the laws of the land are based.
Again, all framework in the universe includes a moral structure founded by God.
 
I choose Roman Catholicism, because it is the belief that comes directly from Jesus.

In spite of what Jesus said to Peter, Christianity spread to Egypt first. In AD 42 St. Mark established Coptic Christianity. It is older than the Church of Rome by about 3 centuries. Even today it is closer to Jesus actual words and teachings than Catholicism which was taken over by Germanic tribes when they invaded Rome and its territories in the 5th and 6th centuries. They adopted the Christianity of the Church of Rome in order to ally themselves with the growing wealth of the papacy and the monasteries. The patriarchal guilt and punishment of Catholicism almost certainly comes from the German invaders because it is not in the original words of Jesus

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Why isn't it free will, just because God knows what the choices we will make ahead of time?

There are no gods, people make the choices they want, regardless of religious extremists wanting them to be denied their freedom of choice.
 
Exactly...our govt and laws dont have to recognize God's Authority or Law at all. Those of us that are Christians are welcome to follow His Laws as He granted. When He gave us free will :D His Word and Laws are all still available for any to choose and follow.
Well said. If only all Christians followed your lead.
 
Well said. If only all Christians followed your lead.
"if only all Christians followed Satan". That idea of atheists is just one more problem to add to the mountain of problems with atheists.
 
Then before you were even born, it was predetermined whether or not you would go to Heaven or Hell and your choices have no meaning. Mostly because you aren't making any. You are a robot who doesn't know they are programmed to follow only one specific path with no deviation.

1. no heaven, no hell
2. and choices always have consequences, catholics and other religious people are absolutely obsessed about a child
3. we are not robots, we are humans.
 
"if only all Christians followed Satan". That idea of atheists is just one more problem with them to add to the mountain of problems.
That wouldnt be a Christian :rolleyes:

God never mentioned abortion, he values women more than the unborn. It's very Christian to support women's lives and futures.
 
There are no gods, people make the choices they want, regardless of religious extremists wanting them to be denied their freedom of choice.
So go marry two women in a church in the USA.
 
Religion says God created mankind with a large and complex brain with which to learn and become wise.
For the Lord gives wisdom; from his mouth come knowledge and understanding.Proverbs 2:6
How much better to get wisdom than gold, to get insight rather than silver!Proverbs 16:16
Be very careful, then, how you live—not as unwise but as wise, making the most of every opportunity, because the days are evil.Ephesians 5:15-16
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions.Proverbs 18:2 |
Who is wise and understanding among you? Let them show it by their good life, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom.James 3:13
God clearly expects mankind to use this brain, gain knowledge, become wise and live lives grounded in wisdom. He shows a definite distaste for people with opinions only.

Science says stress of any kind: overpopulation, lack of food or water, degraded or destroyed environment, poor health, ingestion of noxious substances, chaotic environment, noise, harassment have a detrimental effect on the pregnant female, the developing fetus and the birthing of healthy young.

Times of significant stress produce hormones that can cause spontaneously abortion allowing females to stay strong during hard times and produce healthy young when times are better. Were the pregnancy to continue the young would be malformed or weakened and die at or near birth. The female weakened by the pregnancy may also die. The survival of the species actually depends on animals aborting in times of high stress.

Science has shown that stress in humans impairs the mental and physical health of the mother and newborn in the same way as in animals. And the same hormones that cause spontaneous abortion in animals can cause humans to abort. However, humans can psychologically ignore the stress or medically overcome the hormones so stress has to be intellectually perceived and a conscious decision made to end a pregnancy that will hurt the family, the woman and the child. And right here is where religion and science come together. Because our human mind can think analytically, abstractly and empathetically we have a moral responsibility to consciously prevent situations that hurt other people. If a child or another child will harm others and itself abortion is a moral choice.

Most women who get abortions are already mothers and most expect to have a child later, when it will be welcomed and supported into a loving family eager for a strong and healthy new life. Science and religion working together doing what God intended, using our brains and improving the species.

Think of it this way: If God didn't intend us to think why did He give us such magnificent brains.
People have serious obstacles to overcome all the time and because it will be hard doesn't mean they need to or should take a live in the process. That's a human failing and not an endorsement by God.
 
That wouldnt be a Christian :rolleyes:

God never mentioned abortion, he values women more than the unborn. It's very Christian to support women's lives and futures.
"because every creature’s blood is its soul, and I have said to the sons of Israel “You shall not eat the blood of any creature, because every creature’s blood is its soul: everyone who eats it shall be cut off.” Leviticus 17:14
 
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