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GM Losing Up To $49,000 Per Volt

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GM losing up to $49,000 per Volt - chicagotribune.com

worse, govt motors announced in august that for the second time this year it would be suspending production of the obamamobile

munro: "i don't see how gm will ever get its money back on that vehicle"

auto rescue?

at what price?

Treasury: U.S. to lose $25 billion on auto bailout | The Detroit News | detroitnews.com
 
I'm surprised Obama doesn't pass a law requiring every American to buy a Volt, or pay a tax penalty.
 
There are some Americans paying just $5,050 to drive around for two years in a vehicle that cost as much as $89,000 to produce.

I want to know what deal this one is.
 
Guess it is all in how creative you get with your math and that article got quite creative:

Reuters: GM Is Still Losing As Much As $49,000 On Each Volt It Builds
 
minnie-

let us not be overly concerned with facts when ranting against all things Obama...
 
Gillette spent 750 million dollars developing the mach 3 razor, making the loss on the first 10,000 razor's sold as much as $74,990 bucks per razor. Drug companies spend as much as 11 billion developing a new drug. Does that mean the first 11 pills cost the company 1 billion each?

I do believe that GM is mishandling the economics of the car (if anything not pricing it low enough to steal some prius loyalty), but you don't completely change a 100 year old car culture in two years and you certainly don't try to calculate final ROI on a program until the program is terminated. Even then that doesn't account for the complete value of the R&D as portions of it are likely to be used elsewhere for years.
 
That's what happens when the government goes into business.
 
i wonder what a financial flop internal combustion powered automobiles were in 1900. Karl Benz should have hung it up so that we could stick with horses.
 
I'm surprised Obama doesn't pass a law requiring every American to buy a Volt, or pay a tax penalty.

He can't do that.

The Republicans didn't think of it first.
 
That's what happens when the government goes into business.

First Obama buys GM with tax payer money, with a lose of over 20+ billion and then Obama forces GM to build the Volt, another loser, so what do you expect. He never ran a lemonade stand.
 

Apples and oranges. The article mentions the parts and labor cost to produce the car, not R&D.
 
Apples and oranges. The article mentions the parts and labor cost to produce the car, not R&D.

Try again:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/breaking/chi-gm-losing-up-to-49000-per-volt-20120910 said:
It currently costs GM "at least" $75,000 to build the Volt, including development costs, Munro said.


 
It seems to me, that if you are designing something to compete in a market, you make it... competitive.
The price point of the Volt, even with the tax credits, is above it's market value.
People in that market, might ask what the payback curve for buying a volt?
Someone early on should have done a cost budget analysis, and decided what the
market price point was to sell a lot of these new cars.
If they could make them for low enough to still make a profit great,
if not, stop the project while you are ahead.
Maybe use your research elsewhere.
 
Try again:

"The actual cost to build the Volt is estimated to be an additional $20,000 to $32,000 per vehicle (nice range estimate), according to Munro and the other industry consultants.” - frome the article. The 49k number is with R&D, the 20-30k number is without.

Try again.
 

Yes, which illustrates my point exactly in an apples to apples manner. Do I need to break down that a mach 3 costs about 10 bucks to make in order to show how I broke 750 million in R&D over 10,000 razors?

By the way, I have no idea how much it costs to make a Mach 3, but I figured who cares, everybody else is using whatever formula they like. As long as I got the math right it must be true right?
 
First Obama buys GM with tax payer money, with a lose of over 20+ billion and then Obama forces GM to build the Volt, another loser, so what do you expect. He never ran a lemonade stand.
The volt was a project a few years in the making, with robust support from within GM's management structure, all well before Obama took office.
 

chicago tribune link above, story by reuters

what the wire service is basically saying is the volt has an unusually if not exorbitantly expensive production cost

AND

it's simply, bottom line, NOT a good product

ie, why was production suspended this year?

TWICE?

reuters answers---unequivocally---in paragraph 13: "weak sales"

govt motors hopes to break even in year 3, reports reuters, with it's next gen model

it's all about, according to reuters, the volt's "unique parts," identified as "battery packs, electric motor and power electronics"

ie, "richer content, complex technology and low production volume"

that latter is elaborated on: "suppliers also impose cost penalties... because production remains well below projections"

"according to industry analysts contacted by reuters"

the volt has moved 21,500 cars, net

2/3 of sales in july and august---not many sales, by the way---were leases costing $279 per month, some as low as $199

toyota's prius, in contrast, sold 164,000 this year

anecdotally, the piece visits a dealer in toms river, NJ, who sells 90-100 chevy's a month---he has moved one volt in all 2012

raymond chevy in chicago deals 1000 vehicles per month, only 3 to 7 of em being obamamobiles

munro: "i don't see how gm will ever get its money back on that vehicle"

in other words, the taxpayers won't get THEIR money back

tax cheat in chief tim geithner's treasury dept: public to lose 25B on gm

the ipo was $34, it needs to get to 54 to make us whole

it closed today at $23.15

of course, "the production cost will come down as more are sold"

which, if you're in toms river, means one obamamobile per year
 
Volts won't kill you, but amps will.
 
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