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OK. Where you going with this? I am nonunion and have a forklift and crane license. I think I am missing something.
Oh I just thinking that there is positive purpose unions can serve.
Isn't one of the goals of a union to develop superior skill sets for its members there by making them more efficient and more valuable as an employee?
So what happened to the billions of dollars Obama gave GM a couple of months ago? Is it completely gone now?
GONE....do not expect to get it back either; we are such generous taxpayers aren't we?
But look at it this way, we saved an industry right? At least that is what Obama said this money would do. :roll:
That is a myth. In REALITY, and I speak from personal experience in the construction industry, Union labor merely adds to the cost and length of time it takes to complete a project.
I have NEVER seen any BETTER quality in the work between the construction I saw in the South and that I which saw in the Northeast.
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Guess what all those people employed by GM either directly or indirectly are paying taxes in one form or another. Now would the government want to see these people paying taxes or collecting unemployment?
I guess you never heard of the home builder Fox and Jacobs.
I'd like to know how much did the unions give to try and stop this.I guess you missed the news;
General Motors Corp. said Monday it will permanently close nine more plants and idle three others to trim production and labor costs under bankruptcy protection.
The closures will displace 18,000 to 20,000 GM employees, the company said.
Six of the plants are in GM's home state of Michigan, which has already been hard-hit by job cuts in the auto industry.
GM Outlines Additional Plant Closings : NPR
So tell me how many jobs were saved by the $50 billion the American taxpayers are paying and have paid into this company?
So back to my issue with Liberal Democrats; why did they claim it was GOOD policy for Bush to RAISE taxes to pay for his deficits but now the idea of raising taxes is NOT even on the table?
Do share your views about these builders and how their case refutes what I have stated from PERSONAL experience.
I have not heard of them but am all eyes to see what your argument is going to be.
I'd like to know how much did the unions give to try and stop this.
Some of my personal experience counters your personal experience. Great homes are built up north and crappy ones too just like down here in the south.
So they got their members part ownership in a bankrupt company? They should have left business to business people. Good reason that unions shouldn't run companies. :dohI think they claimed they had given up way too much already and now have a partial ownership in the company; I am expecting this ownership to slap some reality into their heads and force them to make more concessions to avoid full liquidation.
So...So they got their members part ownership in a bankrupt company? They should have left business to business people. Good reason that unions shouldn't run companies. :doh
Of course they can. It is America is it not? Do what Reagan did to the air controllers.. fire the bunch and hire others.
Like it or not the management had no spine during the negotiations.. pure and simple. Not even in Europe do we have such idiotic labour costs (relatively speaking) put on companies when compared to the rest of the society.
No one has yet to explain WHY American companies should lower their employment costs (wages and benefits) to compete with foreign companies who sell their products to Americans. I know you cons keep saying they should lower those costs but you haven't laid out why. I mean other than to increase corporate profits.
I am not talking about houses; I am speaking of Commercial construction using the exact same specifications and requirements for BOTH instances.
I see you also ignored the personal experience working IN the machinist Union as further evidence.
So...
With the Governmet and thje union owning/running the compmany, who will the pro-union, pro-government people blame if GM continues to fail?
What DO you call it when an industry is nationalized by socialists...?They'll blame Republicans for blocking any way to send more tax funds to the company. Although, if the government owns it, can you really call it a company since it steals to get some of its revenue?
LOL I guess you have never scene our crap strip mall down here.
And your personal experience as a machnist really doesn' mean squat. My experience in a union counters yours? YAWN.
What DO you call it when an industry is nationalized by socialists...?
That is a myth. In REALITY, and I speak from personal experience in the construction industry, Union labor merely adds to the cost and length of time it takes to complete a project.
I have NEVER seen any BETTER quality in the work between the construction I saw in the South and that I which saw in the Northeast.
The ONLY real difference was the doubling of the cost to build, the doubling of the time it took to build; the intimidation of laborers on the job site by Business Administrators from the Union (in their very expensive suits) and the FACT that these union workers worked specific and LESS hours.
They came to work at 7:00 a.m. and left exactly at 3:30 p.m. with THREE breaks taking with them the electrical breakers to ensure no one would work illegally after hours.
In the South, they would work from 7:00 a.m. till it got dark and in some cases, when the schedule demanded it, after dark. They didn't have specific break times and took lunch when the opportunity arose. They made MORE money by getting the work done and moving to the next job.
Unfortunately, the UNION leadership has been the Unions own worst enemies and have turned the UNION labor into more of an entitlement than a trained efficient work force and actually encourage workers to work at slower pace to ensure work and more labor requirements.
I worked for the machinists union as a young man and I speaking from personal experience; I was constantly being told I was working TOO fast and increasing the production requirements for my machine for others and this was made CLEAR to me as being no acceptable by the shop steward.
When I left, I promised to NEVER work in an environment like that again. By the way, this company produced oil valves for the Alaska Pipeline and is out of business now as are many machinist jobs which used to be pre-dominate in this area.
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