Of global warming? The properties of green house gases are quite apparent in of themslelves.Also, we have not been able to re-create this affect in a lab. No portional scales or nothing.
You might want to take a look at Michael Crichton's novel State Of Fear and check out the footnotes. He points to a number of interesting websites (sites with data, not opinions) that pretty much debunk the whole Kyoto hysteria.128shot said:I'm sick and very tired of doing research and looking for media opinions.
Diogenes said:You might want to take a look at Michael Crichton's novel State Of Fear and check out the footnotes. He points to a number of interesting websites (sites with data, not opinions) that pretty much debunk the whole Kyoto hysteria.
He offered the links to the data, which is much more relevant than personal opinions, and in fact I have run across quite a few real scientists who don't believe human activities have much to do with what may be happening.Technocratic_Utilitarian said:OH yes. Mike Criton--because a fiction author knows tons about meteorology and climatology, right? Right? Sorry. When real scientists come out and say we have nothing to do with it, then I will believe it; not when jurassic park man say it.
In 1996, Dr. Ball left his job at the University of Winnipeg for the more lucrative pursuit of scientific gun-for-hire ("environmental consultant"). It looks like he found a home at the American National Center for Public Policy Research, a Conservative front group supporting whatever initiatives their financial backers want them to endorse. Since 1997, one of their principal mandates has been to fight the environment movement in general and in particular, shoot down any regulation to decrease the emission of greenhouse gasses.
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So Mr. Ball's performance as a mouthpiece for Big Oil and Conservative think-thanks is rather disappointing. A more talented employee would get five-page articles in Nature, not four-paragraph letters in the Ottawa Citizen.
If he were working for me, it would be time for a salary review.
ddoyle00 said:Ok, so what info do we have? Skin research and the Kyoto Agreement.
The Kyoto would be a good idea if we were a struggling and impoverished third-world country because it allows them to skip all the restrictions that America and others have to abide by. In essence, it allows those countries without the necessary technology to manufacture and produce to increase their GPA to catch up with the rest of the world. It was a bad idea for us because it would have set us back a few dacades and it would have done nothing to the countires who are really doing the polluting? Ever see photos of Chinese industry? Its not pretty.
The whole hoopla surrounding global warming has been overblown by the media and scientists wanting more grant money. Remember in the 80's it was all the rage. Global warming and after 10 years it went away. Then it was killer bees or West Nile Virues mosquitos and now its a variation of the Spanish Flu that was already beaten back in WW1.
Anyone who has taken an Earth Science class and paid attention to the chapter about paleoclimatology can tell you that we are in an epoch known as the Pleistecine Era. This is an era of glacial retreat and has been going on for about 1,000 years. The Earth has a fairly predictible schedule of Ice Ages and then warming up. Right now we are warming up.The temperature of the atmosphere fluctuates over a wide range, the result of solar activity and other influences. During the past 3,000 years, there have been five extended periods when it was distinctly warmer than today. One of the two coldest periods, known as the Little Ice Age, occurred 300 years ago. Atmospheric temperatures have been rising from that low for the past 300 years, but remain below the 3,000-year average.
The highest temperatures during this period occurred in about 1940. During the past 20 years, atmospheric temperatures have actually tended to go down based on very reliable satellite data, which have been confirmed by measurements from weather balloons.
What mankind is doing is moving hydrocarbons from below ground and turning them into living things. We are living in an increasingly lush environment of plants and animals as a result of the carbon dioxide increase. Our children will enjoy an Earth with twice as much plant and animal life as that with which we now are blessed. This is a wonderful and unexpected gift from the industrial revolution.
Go to NOAA or any astrophysics webpage and look at their graphs about sunspot activity which again is fairly predictible and you will see weather is a direct reflection of the suns activity. What heats up the Earth then? The Sun heats up the Earth. All the carbon we are releasing into the air only adds to the atmosphere which in turn reflects solar activity. People are really conceited to think that we can directly affect something that has been going on for hundreds of million of years. Volcanoes release more pollutants than man ever will. Its another example of the media using scare tactics on its audience.
OnionCollection said:My God you possibly couldn't mislead people more if you tried (were you trying?). Nearly every other sentence you wrote is factually innaccurate.
Anyone who has taken an Earth Science class and paid attention to the chapter about paleoclimatology can tell you that we are in an epoch known as the Pleistecine Era.
This is an era of glacial retreat and has been going on for about 1,000 years.
During the past 3,000 years, there have been five extended periods when it was distinctly warmer than today.
One of the two coldest periods, known as the Little Ice Age, occurred 300 years ago. Atmospheric temperatures have been rising from that low for the past 300 years, but remain below the 3,000-year average.
The highest temperatures during this period occurred in about 1940. During the past 20 years, atmospheric temperatures have actually tended to go down based on very reliable satellite data, which have been confirmed by measurements from weather balloons.
Go to NOAA or any astrophysics webpage and look at their graphs about sunspot activity which again is fairly predictible and you will see weather is a direct reflection of the suns activity.
All the carbon we are releasing into the air only adds to the atmosphere which in turn reflects solar activity.
People are really conceited to think that we can directly affect something that has been going on for hundreds of million of years.
If algae can do it, I have no reason to think humans can't.
Volcanoes release more pollutants than man ever will.
Volcanoes emit only about 1% of co2 that humans emit.
ddoyle00 said:And your word alone is enough to disrepute? Like, "Oh crap, Onion Collection opened his/her mouth and disagreed with me, I must be wrong." Come on, take the time to find evidence supporting your side.
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