Global warming did not stop 16 years ago - Met Office confirms this and refutes Rose

[flogger]

Re: Global warming did not stop 16 years ago - Met Office confirms this and refutes R

They will become fewer as you come to accept reality.

You almost managed to get the number of words used in that response down to just single figures then excelled yourself by finally achieving it with your next one :shock:

 

[Penderyn]

Re: Global warming did not stop 16 years ago - Met Office confirms this and refutes R

We certainly have a future, but the demagogues leading the current environmentalist movement are keen to purge us of the original sin of industrialisation and thus make sure it will be for far fewer of us sadly.

No point betting for or against. The stupidity of the right has done for any chance of survival already, almost certainly. 'Prove' you fantasies while you may if it helps you get throught the last years.

 

[flogger]

Re: Global warming did not stop 16 years ago - Met Office confirms this and refutes R

No point betting for or against. The stupidity of the right has done for any chance of survival already, almost certainly. 'Prove' you fantasies while you may if it helps you get throught the last years.

Could we have a bit more exaggeration and melodrama please ! :shock:

 

[livefree]

Re: Global warming did not stop 16 years ago - Met Office confirms this and refutes R

I just posted a paper that shows pretty conclusively that the impact of the increase of atmospheric CO2 on the temperature of the climate has been in the neighborhood of about 0.7 degrees since 1850.

The Green House effect of the incremental increase of CO2 is constantly decreasing as the ppm increases.

Here is another snipet from that paper:

http://curryja.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/hoskins.pdf

This estimate of the Worldwide Man-*‐made CO2 based temperature effect is equivalent to ~0.1°C per century. This level it is about ~20 millionths of any normal annual temperature variation at any particular location. So the Global Man-*‐made temperature effect is minuscule immeasurable and irrelevant.
Using simple proportions based on a total Greenhouse effect of 33°C
the total CO2 effect of 1.24°C for 390 ppmv
Man-*‐made Business as Usual emissions of 1.94 ppmv per year is thus
equivalent to warming of
Using this proportional calculation, continuing Business as Usual
for the next 90 years could result in a temperature increase of
= 0.00318°C/ppmv 0.00617°C/year ~+0.56°C till 2100

I just "posted" a "paper" that shows pretty conclusively that the moon is made out of green cheese.

My "posted paper" will receive as much deserved attention and respect from the world scientific community as will your retarded collection of your own nonsense, drivel and drool.

 

[flogger]

Re: Global warming did not stop 16 years ago - Met Office confirms this and refutes R

I just "posted" a "paper" that shows pretty conclusively that the moon is made out of green cheese.

My "posted paper" will receive as much deserved attention and respect from the world scientific community as will your retarded collection of your own nonsense, drivel and drool.

You dont seem to realise that responses like that one that totally ignore addressing the linked content in favour of crass insults simply means you have very publicly lost the debate

 

[livefree]

Re: Global warming did not stop 16 years ago - Met Office confirms this and refutes R

You dont seem to realise that responses like that one that totally ignore addressing the linked content in favour of crass insults simply means you have very publicly lost the debate

You don't seem to realize that scientific debate occurs in the peer reviewed science journals. Drivel from retarded amateurs like 'code4stupid' that gets 'posted' on the internet means nothing. His nonsense would be laughed at, and rightly so, in the offices of any actual science journal.

 

[flogger]

Re: Global warming did not stop 16 years ago - Met Office confirms this and refutes R

You don't seem to realize that scientific debate occurs in the peer reviewed science journals. Drivel from retarded amateurs like 'code4stupid' that gets 'posted' on the internet means nothing. His nonsense would be laughed at, and rightly so, in the offices of any actual science journal.

What I do realise is that you have totally failed to provide empirical (important word again) evidence supporting your contentions and have chosen instead to resort to personal insults to those who challenge them. Instead of doing this why not just take issue with whats been posted instead of evading comment in this obnoxious manner ? Standing by for more lame appeals to authority :roll:

 

[livefree]

Re: Global warming did not stop 16 years ago - Met Office confirms this and refutes R

What I do realise is that you have totally failed to provide empirical (important word again) evidence supporting your contentions

You think that only because you consistently refuse to look at the vast amount of empirical evidence supporting the conclusions of virtually all of world's climate scientists regarding anthropogenic global warming/climate changes.

NOAA: Past Decade Warmest on Record According to Scientists in 48 Countries
Earth has been growing warmer for more than fifty years
NOAA - United States National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
July 28, 2010
(government publication - not under copyright - free to reproduce in full)
The 2009 State of the Climate report released today draws on data for 10 key climate indicators that all point to the same finding: the scientific evidence that our world is warming is unmistakable. More than 300 scientists from 160 research groups in 48 countries contributed to the report, which confirms that the past decade was the warmest on record and that the Earth has been growing warmer over the last 50 years.

Based on comprehensive data from multiple sources, the report defines 10 measurable planet-wide features used to gauge global temperature changes. The relative movement of each of these indicators proves consistent with a warming world. Seven indicators are rising: air temperature over land, sea-surface temperature, air temperature over oceans, sea level, ocean heat, humidity and tropospheric temperature in the “active-weather” layer of the atmosphere closest to the Earth’s surface. Three indicators are declining: Arctic sea ice, glaciers and spring snow cover in the Northern hemisphere.

“For the first time, and in a single compelling comparison, the analysis brings together multiple observational records from the top of the atmosphere to the depths of the ocean,” said Jane Lubchenco, Ph.D., under secretary of commerce for oceans and atmosphere and NOAA administrator. “The records come from many institutions worldwide. They use data collected from diverse sources, including satellites, weather balloons, weather stations, ships, buoys and field surveys. These independently produced lines of evidence all point to the same conclusion: our planet is warming,”

(Credit: NOAA)

The report emphasizes that human society has developed for thousands of years under one climatic state, and now a new set of climatic conditions are taking shape. These conditions are consistently warmer, and some areas are likely to see more extreme events like severe drought, torrential rain and violent storms.

“Despite the variability caused by short-term changes, the analysis conducted for this report illustrates why we are so confident the world is warming,” said Peter Stott, Ph.D., contributor to the report and head of Climate Monitoring and Attribution of the United Kingdom Met Office Hadley Centre. “When we look at air temperature and other indicators of climate, we see highs and lows in the data from year to year because of natural variability. Understanding climate change requires looking at the longer-term record. When we follow decade-to-decade trends using multiple data sets and independent analyses from around the world, we see clear and unmistakable signs of a warming world.”

While year-to-year changes in temperature often reflect natural climatic variations such as El Niño/La Niña events, changes in average temperature from decade-to-decade reveal long-term trends such as global warming. Each of the last three decades has been much warmer than the decade before. At the time, the 1980s was the hottest decade on record. In the 1990s, every year was warmer than the average of the previous decade. The 2000s were warmer still.

“The temperature increase of one degree Fahrenheit over the past 50 years may seem small, but it has already altered our planet,” said Deke Arndt, co-editor of the report and chief of the Climate Monitoring Branch of NOAA’s National Climatic Data Center. “Glaciers and sea ice are melting, heavy rainfall is intensifying and heat waves are more common. And, as the new report tells us, there is now evidence that over 90 percent of warming over the past 50 years has gone into our ocean.”

More and more, Americans are witnessing the impacts of climate change in their own backyards, including sea-level rise, longer growing seasons, changes in river flows, increases in heavy downpours, earlier snowmelt and extended ice-free seasons in our waters. People are searching for relevant and timely information about these changes to inform decision-making about virtually all aspects of their lives. To help keep citizens and businesses informed about climate, NOAA created the Climate Portal at http://www.climate.gov. The portal features a short video that summarizes some of the highlights of the State of the Climate Report.

State of the Climate is published as a special supplement to the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society and is edited by D.S. Arndt, M.O. Baringer, and M.R. Johnson. The full report and an online media packet with graphics is available online: BAMS Annual State of the Climate.

Standing by for more lame appeals to authority

LOLOLOLOLOLOL......you are such a retard......it just cracks me up how stupid you are......rejecting so-called "lame appeals to authority" is just another way that ignorant denier cult freaks like you try to ignore the scientific conclusions (based on the scientific evidence and data) of the actual experts in this particular field of science. "Appeal to authority" can be a logical fallacy if the 'authorities' are not actually experts in the field under discussion or if there no consensus among the experts in that field. It is true that nothing can be established as truth only on the basis of who believes in it, it is also true that the conclusions of the highly educated and experienced experts in that field of study are probably giving us the best approximation of the truth of the matter that we can get. Citing the testimony of experts in a field of science is a valid form of evidence when non scientists are discussing a topic. You and the other anti-science denier cultists want to reject and dismiss the testimony of the world's climate scientists only because the scientific evidence does not support your ideologically driven denial of reality.

 

[code1211]

Re: Global warming did not stop 16 years ago - Met Office confirms this and refutes R

I just "posted" a "paper" that shows pretty conclusively that the moon is made out of green cheese.

My "posted paper" will receive as much deserved attention and respect from the world scientific community as will your retarded collection of your own nonsense, drivel and drool.

Please post your source that asserts that the impact of CO2 is different than what I posted.

 

[livefree]

Re: Global warming did not stop 16 years ago - Met Office confirms this and refutes R

Please post your source that asserts that the impact of CO2 is different than what I posted.

Okey-dokey, little dude, here's a few to start with.....

Climate Sensitivity Estimated From Earth's Climate History

Quantifying Uncertainties in Climate System Properties with the Use of Recent Climate Observations

Constraining climate sensitivity from the seasonal cycle in surface temperature

Climate sensitivity constrained by temperature reconstructions over the past seven centuries

Climate sensitivity constrained by CO2 concentrations over the past 420 million years

 

[flogger]

Re: Global warming did not stop 16 years ago - Met Office confirms this and refutes R

Okey-dokey, little dude, here's a few to start with.....

Climate Sensitivity Estimated From Earth's Climate History

Quantifying Uncertainties in Climate System Properties with the Use of Recent Climate Observations

Constraining climate sensitivity from the seasonal cycle in surface temperature

Climate sensitivity constrained by temperature reconstructions over the past seven centuries

Climate sensitivity constrained by CO2 concentrations over the past 420 million years

Ahhh Hansen plus multiple subjective climate models . Dont you just love em ! :roll:

 

[flogger]

Re: Global warming did not stop 16 years ago - Met Office confirms this and refutes R

You think that only because you consistently refuse to look at the vast amount of empirical evidence supporting the conclusions of virtually all of world's climate scientists regarding anthropogenic global warming/climate changes.

NOAA: Past Decade Warmest on Record According to Scientists in 48 Countries
Earth has been growing warmer for more than fifty years
NOAA - United States National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
July 28, 2010
(government publication - not under copyright - free to reproduce in full)
The 2009 State of the Climate report released today draws on data for 10 key climate indicators that all point to the same finding: the scientific evidence that our world is warming is unmistakable. More than 300 scientists from 160 research groups in 48 countries contributed to the report, which confirms that the past decade was the warmest on record and that the Earth has been growing warmer over the last 50 years.

Based on comprehensive data from multiple sources, the report defines 10 measurable planet-wide features used to gauge global temperature changes. The relative movement of each of these indicators proves consistent with a warming world. Seven indicators are rising: air temperature over land, sea-surface temperature, air temperature over oceans, sea level, ocean heat, humidity and tropospheric temperature in the “active-weather” layer of the atmosphere closest to the Earth’s surface. Three indicators are declining: Arctic sea ice, glaciers and spring snow cover in the Northern hemisphere.

“For the first time, and in a single compelling comparison, the analysis brings together multiple observational records from the top of the atmosphere to the depths of the ocean,” said Jane Lubchenco, Ph.D., under secretary of commerce for oceans and atmosphere and NOAA administrator. “The records come from many institutions worldwide. They use data collected from diverse sources, including satellites, weather balloons, weather stations, ships, buoys and field surveys. These independently produced lines of evidence all point to the same conclusion: our planet is warming,”

(Credit: NOAA)

The report emphasizes that human society has developed for thousands of years under one climatic state, and now a new set of climatic conditions are taking shape. These conditions are consistently warmer, and some areas are likely to see more extreme events like severe drought, torrential rain and violent storms.

“Despite the variability caused by short-term changes, the analysis conducted for this report illustrates why we are so confident the world is warming,” said Peter Stott, Ph.D., contributor to the report and head of Climate Monitoring and Attribution of the United Kingdom Met Office Hadley Centre. “When we look at air temperature and other indicators of climate, we see highs and lows in the data from year to year because of natural variability. Understanding climate change requires looking at the longer-term record. When we follow decade-to-decade trends using multiple data sets and independent analyses from around the world, we see clear and unmistakable signs of a warming world.”

While year-to-year changes in temperature often reflect natural climatic variations such as El Niño/La Niña events, changes in average temperature from decade-to-decade reveal long-term trends such as global warming. Each of the last three decades has been much warmer than the decade before. At the time, the 1980s was the hottest decade on record. In the 1990s, every year was warmer than the average of the previous decade. The 2000s were warmer still.

“The temperature increase of one degree Fahrenheit over the past 50 years may seem small, but it has already altered our planet,” said Deke Arndt, co-editor of the report and chief of the Climate Monitoring Branch of NOAA’s National Climatic Data Center. “Glaciers and sea ice are melting, heavy rainfall is intensifying and heat waves are more common. And, as the new report tells us, there is now evidence that over 90 percent of warming over the past 50 years has gone into our ocean.”

More and more, Americans are witnessing the impacts of climate change in their own backyards, including sea-level rise, longer growing seasons, changes in river flows, increases in heavy downpours, earlier snowmelt and extended ice-free seasons in our waters. People are searching for relevant and timely information about these changes to inform decision-making about virtually all aspects of their lives. To help keep citizens and businesses informed about climate, NOAA created the Climate Portal at http://www.climate.gov. The portal features a short video that summarizes some of the highlights of the State of the Climate Report.

State of the Climate is published as a special supplement to the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society and is edited by D.S. Arndt, M.O. Baringer, and M.R. Johnson. The full report and an online media packet with graphics is available online: BAMS Annual State of the Climate.











LOLOLOLOLOLOL......you are such a retard......it just cracks me up how stupid you are......rejecting so-called "lame appeals to authority" is just another way that ignorant denier cult freaks like you try to ignore the scientific conclusions (based on the scientific evidence and data) of the actual experts in this particular field of science. "Appeal to authority" can be a logical fallacy if the 'authorities' are not actually experts in the field under discussion or if there no consensus among the experts in that field. It is true that nothing can be established as truth only on the basis of who believes in it, it is also true that the conclusions of the highly educated and experienced experts in that field of study are probably giving us the best approximation of the truth of the matter that we can get. Citing the testimony of experts in a field of science is a valid form of evidence when non scientists are discussing a topic. You and the other anti-science denier cultists want to reject and dismiss the testimony of the world's climate scientists only because the scientific evidence does not support your ideologically driven denial of reality.

What a surprising response .... Ho hum. You are the consumate activist vulgarian arent you ?

Lets look back further than 150 years in order to see whats really normal in the great scheme of things shall we ?

C3: Temp Readings: Ice Core/Other Proxy Data

 

[flogger]

Re: Global warming did not stop 16 years ago - Met Office confirms this and refutes R

Please post your source that asserts that the impact of CO2 is different than what I posted.

Dont hold your breath ! :shock:

 

[livefree]

Re: Global warming did not stop 16 years ago - Met Office confirms this and refutes R

Ahhh Hansen plus multiple subjective climate models . Dont you just love em !

Well, I guess we all already knew that you prefer reading tea leaves over peer reviewed, evidence based scientific studies.....or perhaps your preferred denier cult method of divining the future of the Earth's climate is the careful examination of the ripped-out entrails of failed Republican political consultants????

 

[flogger]

Re: Global warming did not stop 16 years ago - Met Office confirms this and refutes R

Well, I guess we all already knew that you prefer reading tea leaves over peer reviewed, evidence based scientific studies.....or perhaps your preferred denier cult method of divining the future of the Earth's climate is the careful examination of the ripped-out entrails of failed Republican political consultants????

If you had ever provided Peer reviewed empirical evidence and I had provided unreferenced links you might have a point. Given I'm not American why do you think I care about US party political sniping in all this ? :roll:

 

[livefree]

Re: Global warming did not stop 16 years ago - Met Office confirms this and refutes R

If you had ever provided Peer reviewed empirical evidence

I have, repeatedly, as in post #62 for example, but you are unfortunately far too retarded and ignorant to comprehend the evidence, as well as far too brainwashed to even look at it.

and I had provided unreferenced links you might have a point.

You poor deluded retard, you've never provided anything substantial to support your denier cult myths and misinformation.

Given I'm not American why do you think I care about US party political sniping in all this ?

"Not American"???.....I'm not even sure you're human....

 

[flogger]

Re: Global warming did not stop 16 years ago - Met Office confirms this and refutes R

I have, repeatedly, as in post #62 for example, but you are unfortunately far too retarded and ignorant to comprehend the evidence, as well as far too brainwashed to even look at it.

You poor deluded retard, you've never provided anything substantial to support your denier cult myths and misinformation.

"Not American"???.....I'm not even sure you're human....

Another winning response .Where do you get em ? :roll:

 

[code1211]

Re: Global warming did not stop 16 years ago - Met Office confirms this and refutes R

Okey-dokey, little dude, here's a few to start with.....

Climate Sensitivity Estimated From Earth's Climate History

Quantifying Uncertainties in Climate System Properties with the Use of Recent Climate Observations

Constraining climate sensitivity from the seasonal cycle in surface temperature

Climate sensitivity constrained by temperature reconstructions over the past seven centuries

Climate sensitivity constrained by CO2 concentrations over the past 420 million years

I reviewed what you posted in a scanning type fashion taking extra time on the summary of the first by Hanson and Co.

They are all artistic pieces dependent on hedging and wildly broad estimates couched in qualifying phrasing. Justification of the use of models and warnings of the problems in using the models, the uncertainties of the various interactions, the impacts of clouds and aerosols and the other uncertainties show why it is good to have doubt. Hanson in particular and the others more tangentially.

Is there something there that actually says something? If there is, you will need to point it out for me. Please do a cut and paste of the particular passage(s) that you found to be compelling.

 

[livefree]

Re: Global warming did not stop 16 years ago - Met Office confirms this and refutes R

Another winning response .Where do you get em ?

Well, you see, unlike you I actually have a brain. Try to grow one sometime, why don't you.

 

[flogger]

Re: Global warming did not stop 16 years ago - Met Office confirms this and refutes R

Well, you see, unlike you I actually have a brain. Try to grow one sometime, why don't you.

And the hits just keep on coming :lamo

Perhaps you might like to re familiarise yourself with the Forum rules sometime regarding codes of behaviour if you expect any kind constructive response in the future

 

[Manc Skipper]

Re: Global warming did not stop 16 years ago - Met Office confirms this and refutes R

And the hits just keep on coming :lamo

Perhaps you might like to re familiarise yourself with the Forum rules sometime regarding codes of behaviour if you expect any kind constructive response in the future

We await a constructive response with no small degree of impatience, it's been a long time arriving.

 

[flogger]

Re: Global warming did not stop 16 years ago - Met Office confirms this and refutes R

We await a constructive response with no small degree of impatience, it's been a long time arriving.

Oh the irony ! :lamo

 

[LowDown]

Re: Global warming did not stop 16 years ago - Met Office confirms this and refutes R

The Met insists that global warming didn't stop, but it is true that according to their own numbers the temperature has been flat for 16 years now.

It's a matter of interpretation. We now have two periods where global temperatures were rising: 1910 to 1940 and 1975 to 1999 and three periods were temperatures were down or flat: 1880 to 1910, 1940 to 1975, and 1997 to the present. Why does the Met office insist that this constitutes continued global warming? The answer seems to lie more in the realm of politics than in science.

Draw a regression line through the data from 1880 to the present and we have a mild upward trend, a 0.5 degree increase in 122 years. What evidence do we have that in the next 150 years the temperature will continue to go upward? Nothing, unless you regard computer models that have already proven to be inaccurate as evidence.

Also, recall that there are big problems with the surface station data, such as the heat island effect, that still have not been adequately accounted for. In other words, that 0.5 degree increase may not exist at all.

 

[code1211]

Re: Global warming did not stop 16 years ago - Met Office confirms this and refutes R

The Met insists that global warming didn't stop, but it is true that according to their own numbers the temperature has been flat for 16 years now.

It's a matter of interpretation. We now have two periods where global temperatures were rising: 1910 to 1940 and 1975 to 1999 and three periods were temperatures were down or flat: 1880 to 1910, 1940 to 1975, and 1997 to the present. Why does the Met office insist that this constitutes continued global warming? The answer seems to lie more in the realm of politics than in science.

Draw a regression line through the data from 1880 to the present and we have a mild upward trend, a 0.5 degree increase in 122 years. What evidence do we have that in the next 150 years the temperature will continue to go upward? Nothing, unless you regard computer models that have already proven to be inaccurate as evidence.

Also, recall that there are big problems with the surface station data, such as the heat island effect, that still have not been adequately accounted for. In other words, that 0.5 degree increase may not exist at all.

I think that it's reasonable to assume that temperatures will continue to rise when this current stall ends. Unless they don't.

The best way to predict the next 30 years is to look at whatever 100 year previous span of time you have data for and extend that completely unvarnished and without adjustments for the CO2 impacts. As soon as you try to build in the models and the information that exists only therein, the predictions go wildly of the track.

 

[LowDown]

Re: Global warming did not stop 16 years ago - Met Office confirms this and refutes R

I think that it's reasonable to assume that temperatures will continue to rise when this current stall ends. Unless they don't.

The best way to predict the next 30 years is to look at whatever 100 year previous span of time you have data for and extend that completely unvarnished and without adjustments for the CO2 impacts.

Yes, that will work until it doesn't.