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Glenn Beck launches online University


Yes hence where i typed 'founded'. In no way was i attempting to compare old and new liberalism. I even said that progressives and liberals AGREE on many issues.My point is that there was, and still is a distinct difference between the two even today. As for progressives being liberal, i believe in an earlier post i said as much.

Frankly, i think todays world is hilarious when an entire segment of American populace is actually attempting to learn things on their own, instead blindly listening to a talking head on TV. God forbid they might actually LEARN ANYTHING from their personal research.
 
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As predicted, the Progressive comes to re-state her straw argument; as she's unable to engage the issue at hand. In truth her argument has been consistently engaged, refuted and thoroughly discredited, point for point, line by line and in no small degree of specificity from the very outset.

Progressives... be they active in the Republican Party, Democrat Party; be they claimants of Left, Right or The Middle Way, OKA: Moderate, Centrist, Mainstream populist... seek the same socialist ends. And without exception, they are ALL LEFTISTS. PERIOD! And this without regard for, or consideration of whatever obscurant protestation they may otherwise offer.

But where there may be a sliverous doubt, all one need do to secure their reasoning from such doubt is to challenge them to define America. And where the individual rejoins with dissemblence, obscurance or other such distractions, one can rest assured you're dealing with the subversive Left.

You see friends, the Leftist cannot define America... As to do so as they would have America defined, exposes them for who and what they are... deceitful frauds.

For the Left to define America in such a way which would include thier oppressive, foriegn ideas, they must define America down to what is effectively MEANINGLESS... Which is why, when the issue is forced upon them, they will demand that America is defined by geography, or the Constitution; specifically rejecting that which actually defines America: the charter of American principles set forth in the US Declaration of Independence.

Now, understand friends, just this past weekend we celebrated what? Did we celebrate the Ratification of the US Constitution?

The Progressive would have you believe just that... But in truth, we celebrated the signing of the Declaration of Independence. A document which defines America; a document which defines the principles on which America rests and the divine authority on which she declared those principles, which require independence; and in so requiring, these are the principles which OPPOSE SOCIALISM, on the whole, in total and in finality...
 

ROFLMNAO...

Well sure... Don't ya see kids? Progressive, Liberal... These are concepts that can mean ANYTHING to ANYONE~ Ya can't really define these terms, because every liberal doesn't believe exactly the same thing as all other liberals... Why some liberals believe in 'protecting rights of life, liberty and property...' and some liberals don't believe in a right to life, or liberty, or property... But they're ALL LIBERALS! It's all very gray and complex...

And if a Moderate does not agree with Beck and the Founding Fathers of America on what American Principles are, well they're entitled to make up whatever THEY believe America IS... because it wouldn't be FAIR if they couldn't and the Constitution says so... at least as they 'interpret' it.

But isn't it cool how she makes the overt reference to "American principles" but cannot on ANY LEVEL define those principles?

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Agreed. As for progressives all seeking the same socialist ends, I beg to differ. By no means is a progressive a socialist. There is a wide margin of difference in those extremes. Can a progressive be a socialist? Sure they can. But it's to the extent of socialism you define as all progressive's having.


As for me not taking up your challenge, I wish to seek a formal answer as to your reasons labeling that 'All moderates, Centrists, independents, and in post #45 even a Libertarian (whom i believe is a regular Beck listener/watcher) are 'leftist' based on the idea that they may dislike or disagree with Beck.

You realize that was my INITIAL argument.
 

The answer lies within the credibility of Mr. Beck himself.
See thread http://www.debatepolitics.com/bias-...rack-obamas-views-u-s-constitution-video.html

You would do best arguing his credibility there.
 

Well said...

I've been pounding this argument (American Principles and how they stand diametrically opposed to socialism, including the national socialist progressives) out on the web, through these web forums, since the early 90s... and for onehelluva lots less compensation than Beck's reaping.

People FINALLY seem to be recognizing that their means to exercise their Human Rights is being stripped from them and that this is because they are conceding their responsibility... thus the TEA Party. But the distinction here, is that BECK has managed to get the message into the OPEN on a broad spectrum and is shining the light of truth on the infectious PROGRESSIVE insurgency which has completely wiped the Democrat Party of any trace of American principle and has all BUT done so to the GOP.

We're cleaning them from the GOP... While the Democrats promote them.
 

ROFLMNAO...

Oh they ARE a difficult thing to pin down, those progressives... They're not socialists, while simultaneous being socialists... and isn't it cool how only the Socialists 'do their own research'... which we can be sure does NOT include listening to Glenn Beck, but instead includes perusing the Liberal Echo-chamber of Alternet... The KOS and other such subversive elements of the communist insurgency.
 
Sis, I do well where ever I am. It's the nature of the exceptionalism, of the American.

Just a suggestion. You see, that thread so desperately needs someone to counter argue the topic. Someone such as yourself, could perhaps, spice up a nice debate?
 

Dear Don,

Having read your recent correspondence, I find you to be a major element of the insurgency that is subverting the American culture.

My impression sir, is that you are either part and parcel of a covert organization, not at all unlike and very possibly part and parcel of the Communist Insurgency recently discovered and arrested, or you're simply one of sub-par intellectual means, simply lacking the minimal cogntive means to recognize deceit and fraud when you are exposed to it. As such and to be on the safe side, I have forwarded your correspondence on to the Federal Bureau of Investigation, for their consideration.

Ordinarily, I would have simply done so without offering you the benefit of this information; but I feel the highest likelihood is that you're simply a addled-minded dupe, who has bought into this subversive ideology and not an actual active member of a covert insurgency; and as such deserving of the benefit of the doubt; either way, you're a menace to the culture at large and I doubt that you'd be surprised by any investigation regarding your loyalty to the principles that define America.

In my experience, people advocating the species of reasoning such as that inherent in your correspondence, do not possess the intelllectual steam to recognize sound reasoning; and this, sadly, includes circumstances where one is exposed to such in stark detail; but despite such and with that said, I thought it worth yet another try... so towards that end, please allow me the opportunity to demonstrate just one small example of where your letter demonstrates a despicable fraud.

You assert that there exist in the TEA Party "incoherent rage". Now Don, the TEA Party has made it abundantly clear to all but the least common intellectual denominator, that their outrage is anchored in the same steam, which sustained the rage over the Bush deficit spending, which you should recall, reached an unthinkable 350 BILLION DOLLARS at it's peak... and the laughable promise that it was the Ideological Left riding within the Democrat Party that would return the nation to 'fiscal responsibility'; and further recall Don, that your party then immediately went to work converting the 350 billion high-water mark, to a 1.5 TRILLION dollar deficit. A FIGURE 2/3rds LARGER THAN ANY OF THE EIGHT ANNUAL REAGAN BUDGETS. This 'Rage', Don, was then understandably re-doubled when the Democrats and the BOY King DOUBLED DOWN AND PROJECTED THAT THEY WOULD SPEND ANOTHER 1.5 TRILLION IN DEFICIT THE FOLLOWING YEAR... and this without regard to the ADDITIONAL TRILLIONS which will be required in Budget to meet the legislation they deceptively FORCED upon the nation with regard to Obama HealthsCare; along with the oppressive, un-American trampling of the natural, individual human responsibilities and rights that such legislation requires, and quite by default.

So Don, that Alternet, FKA: Common Dreams: The Liberal Echo-Chamber, lacks the coherency to recognize the source of the TEA Party rage, is irrelevant to any discussion, except that which focuses upon why the Ideological Left should be dismissed and otherwise forbidden from participating in the equation that is US Governance; as you people are not Americans, nor anything APPROACHING AMERICANS; you have no concept of what America is and wholly reject the immutable, natural principles which otherwise define this great country; a nation in which you serve no other purpose than to undermine that which has made her exceptional.

Thank you for your time and best of luck with your looming federal investigation,

Publius Infinitum
 

Actually i was comparing ones credibility (personal-research) to that of a listener of Glenn Beck (credibility?). You don't sense the sarcasm and irony?

Of course you don't.
 
which were rip-offs of that artist dood in LA who ripped them off from the obey giant who ripped them off from old communist propaganda posters....

Actually, Shepard Fairey, the guy who designed the Obey Giant poster, is the same one who did the Obama poster. He actually got sued by some photog because he designed it from that guy's photo of Obama.
 
Actually, Shepard Fairey, the guy who designed the Obey Giant poster, is the same one who did the Obama poster. He actually got sued by some photog because he designed it from that guy's photo of Obama.



yeah but they are all rips of the old communist posters...... and another guy, i can't remember who.
 
yeah but they are all rips of the old communist posters...... and another guy, i can't remember who.

Oh totally. I've actually ripped off the look of old communist posters for some of my album covers. I think it's an incredibly powerful form of art. The band KMFDM used nothing but the ripped off communist propaganda poster look for their videos, album covers, etc.
 




That's the artist I was thinking about. the kmfdm guy....
 
Sergeant Peppers Lonely Heart Club Band album cover.
 
Actually i was comparing ones credibility (personal-research) to that of a listener of Glenn Beck (credibility?). You don't sense the sarcasm and irony?

Of course you don't.

Your concession is duly noted...
 
I'll watch the first class later tonight and let you all know what it was about.
 
I'll stick with TTC and academic journals.
 
I'll stick with TTC and academic journals.

ROFLMNAO... Well then you may want to get in on Beck U... as the resources are founded in objective academics.

And would you answer a question for me?

You're listed as a "Centrist"... How are you defining that?

Is it to imply that you're of a sufficient intellect to recognize that the best solution is one which rests in compromise, taking equal measure of right and wrong?
 
Review of Glenn's new endeavor on Reason.com:

Beck U - Reason Magazine

The author corrects some of Glenn's historical details:


Interestingly enough:

Beck doesn’t demonstrate the perils of autodidacticism, but the perils of learning the subject while at the same time attempting to teach it.

Ah, but Reason Magazine writers and editors are just shills for the progressives, right?
 
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At least he labels his lean. I notice that you do not. Are you ashamed to list it?
 
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