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Corporations don't actually 'pay' taxes, they pass them through to the consumer in their pricing.When will you reach 'that line'? seems to me the being forced to support those who 'wont', around 10% of the population, has been around for a lifetime. Are you including corporations that don't pay taxes as well?
Where did I say force the poor to pay more? Please quote.So let's review the options, stay and 'fight' to make those who are poor pay more, force corporations to pony up more (and threaten to leave like you are) OR you leave this country for another with LESS rights and/or MORE taxes.
What part of 'betterment of man' was I not clear on?If you flee to Europe you will be forced to contribute (to your detriment as any money out of your pocket is a detriment) at a far larger scale- you will learn what VAT means but good.
Not planning on a third world country.Flee to the third world and you will have little say in anything unless you can bribe officials to look the other way, and hire enough security to keep the bandits off you... not even Joko's 50 round drum will save you down there...
It shouldn't be every man for himself, but at what point is a detriment to your own survival in supporting other people. Give away your last slice of bread so another may eat?I understand the every man for himself mindset, but it is WE the people, not ME the people...
Note the word voluntary. Required by threats of fines, penalties, levies and/or imprisonment is not voluntary. I do plenty in the voluntary manner.I see voluntary contributions to the poor about the same way I see voluntary contributions to national defense...
More likely German or Japanese, but whatever.We'd be speaking Russian right about now... :shock:
Corporations don't actually 'pay' taxes, they pass them through to the consumer in their pricing.
Where did I say force the poor to pay more? Please quote.
What part of 'betterment of man' was I not clear on?
Not planning on a third world country.
It shouldn't be every man for himself, but at what point is a detriment to your own survival in supporting other people. Give away your last slice of bread so another may eat?
Note the word voluntary. Required by threats of fines, penalties, levies and/or imprisonment is not voluntary. I do plenty in the voluntary manner.
More likely German or Japanese, but whatever.
Because most companies don't WANT to raise their prices to absorb the additional taxes. The American consumer is all about cheaper cheaper cheaper. If the taxes on a corp get raised, the prices go up, and the consumer whines.if corporations don't pay taxes why do they threaten to leave if the loopholes are closed and rates not reduced?
Not a grudge per se. I don't like it, but I myself cannot fix it, and IMO we have a government who wants it that way, for the dependency thing.I must have confused you for another poster...all that 'taker' whine after the election and how 51% do not pay taxes. my bad... you hold no grudge against these people?
Taking care of those who can't take care of themselves, research and developement of better and effecient ways to address those needs, protection of our borders (meant in a multitude of ways: immigration and attack) and taking care of the infrastructure (roads) so we contune to be able to travel as freely as we have in the past.Actually you are not the least bit clear on what 'betterment' means...
I don't expect SS or MCare to exist as they are today, when my time to retire comes, so I provide for myself. I have certain medical issues that must be addressed on a daily basis, and I'm sure more to come. Since I can't rely on what has already been taken from me, and will continue to be taken from me to support those who have become eligible, I judge what is not disposable income, and put aside for my future.I can assure you we are no where near the point where your last slice of bread is the only thing you have. that is way too much drama, and sounded a lot like another poster who does love the 'taker' and 51% don't pay taxes rant. if you have plenty to give away then the whine is moot.
That was in regards to what language we would be speaking if we didn't have our military protecting us.Neither Germany or japan will let you just come on in and have full citizenship. You will be a second class citizen still paying under a tax system that is far more 'socialist' then anything we have.
No, it ain't. :wink:And it ain't voluntary....
Because most companies don't WANT to raise their prices to absorb the additional taxes. The American consumer is all about cheaper cheaper cheaper. If the taxes on a corp get raised, the prices go up, and the consumer whines.
Not a grudge per se. I don't like it, but I myself cannot fix it, and IMO we have a government who wants it that way, for the dependency thing.
Taking care of those who can't take care of themselves, research and developement of better and effecient ways to address those needs, protection of our borders (meant in a multitude of ways: immigration and attack) and taking care of the infrastructure (roads) so we contune to be able to travel as freely as we have in the past.
I don't expect SS or MCare to exist as they are today, when my time to retire comes, so I provide for myself. I have certain medical issues that must be addressed on a daily basis, and I'm sure more to come. Since I can't rely on what has already been taken from me, and will continue to be taken from me to support those who have become eligible, I judge what is not disposable income, and put aside for my future.
That was in regards to what language we would be speaking if we didn't have our military protecting us.
No, it ain't. :wink:
By "fun" I don't mean, like, nightlife. Business and science are by far more dynamic here. The quality of intellectual discourse and cultural development is also actually higher - although you do have to "dig for it".
As for the "street culture" - it depends on the place, I guess. Nothing seems to be wrong with Boston, New York or Seattle (three cities I am most familiar with).
We can carpool to Canada. It is like the US but more like Uncle Sam on weed........
Do you want to be forced to price your goods or services to the top end of a market? They don't want to pass on ADDITIONAL taxes (such as closing loopholes would do)Wait, you JUST typed corporations don't pay taxes, they pass them onto the consumer and yet NOW you say they don't want to pass the tax on because of consumer pressure.... which is it???
You obviously missed my very first post. I RATHER stay here, but they don't make the choice easy. Canada, which is what I posted as an alternative, may be more socialistic in base but with a lot less government involvement in personal lives.The dependency thing is funny, less than 15% of the citizens depend on 'the Gubmint', I'd say far more do that actually work for it then depend it. Exclude those who PAY into 'the system' and you again have a minority. But your 'solution' is to flee to a country that is far more socialist than we are. Out of the frying pan and into the fire!
And paying more and more for it, because I consider the government to be very inefficient at it.I kinda thought most of what you consider 'betterment' was already being done.
Immigrants AND attack, separate items, usually separated by the word AND or OR. As in protected from.Well not attacking immigrants- not sure what you mean by that.
No one is responsible for my care other than me. And I have squirreled away, barring a catastrophe, enough to see me in into my first years of 'retirement'. If SS and MCare still exists, bonus. If not, then lifes been a hell of a ride.I see your medical issues as telling in this. I don't believe you can make and squirrel enough away on your own, even at the current tax rates- you have claimed the line hasn't been crossed yet. Without addressing the cost of healthcare as an overall issue I don't see any of us affording private healthcare. I see Mcare and SS payments as going to be continued, even strengthened as our nation's voters grow older and medical costs beat every other increase in our lives.
Didn't say Germany, and I wouldn't go there if I were to have to make a decision.But I can now see why you'd go to Germany- their medical care is far more accessable and more extensive than ours, even with their taxes. The exact opposite of what you claim you want here.
Have I ever said we do not need a government of some sort? Do please quote it, I'd be intersted in seeing it.The military is a 'We the people' organization, not big on 'Me the people'. When we beat the Nazis and the Roosians we did it with a conscript army... a form of 'slavery' as the right wing sees their lot in life now...slaves to the Gubmint. :roll:
See comment above.Now if we had a 'Me the people' gubmint back when Hitler ravaged Europe or the Iron Curtain threatened to seal us off from major markets do you think we would still be free and speaking our peculiar from of English?
A 'Me the people' government would never work... is why the Libertarian party never does well.
Getting in the U.S. legally is a bitch.
But most other countries have that same problem too.
Screw that. Latin America or Asia's where you want to go if the United States ever goes kaput. After all, if we go, we're probably taking Canada and Europe down with us.
There are all kinds of opportunities for a clean cut military trained white guy in China, and Latin women are hot as hell. :mrgreen:
....and Latin women are hot as hell. :mrgreen:
Do you want to be forced to price your goods or services to the top end of a market? They don't want to pass on ADDITIONAL taxes (such as closing loopholes would do)
You obviously missed my very first post. I RATHER stay here, but they don't make the choice easy. Canada, which is what I posted as an alternative, may be more socialistic in base but with a lot less government involvement in personal lives.
And paying more and more for it, because I consider the government to be very inefficient at it.
Immigrants AND attack, separate items, usually separated by the word AND or OR. As in protected from.
No one is responsible for my care other than me. And I have squirreled away, barring a catastrophe, enough to see me in into my first years of 'retirement'. If SS and MCare still exists, bonus. If not, then lifes been a hell of a ride.
Didn't say Germany, and I wouldn't go there if I were to have to make a decision.
Have I ever said we do not need a government of some sort? Do please quote it, I'd be intersted in seeing it.
See comment above.
Actually if you have money we will let pretty much anyone in.
That goes for nearly every country but most of us aren't millionaires.
Well then you better start learning French.
Have no plans to move to Canada.
I like the people, I even have investments in Canada, but your weather stinks.
Cold is the curse of Canada.
Our weather is awesome, I'd rather be in -30 than +30, America is way too warm. Anything above 25 and I avoid going outside at all costs. If you want warmth, live in Vancouver. It has the perks of Canada with the warmth of the United States.
Our weather is awesome, I'd rather be in -30 than +30, America is way too warm. Anything above 25 and I avoid going outside at all costs. If you want warmth, live in Vancouver. It has the perks of Canada with the warmth of the United States.
We get +30 temperatures here in summer just not all summer longAnd yes it is too hot above +25 but I hate the -30 as well. Actually i really hate +5 to -5 as everything tends to get wet and mushy/muddy/slushy etc. so I guess Im a +6 to +25 or a -6 to -20 person.
Many things are changing in the United States, and many things have remained the same (war, for example). Gun policies are changing, health care is changing drastically, economy is in the dumps, etc etc. I am not deeming any of these issues negative or positive because to each, his own. I am simply curious to see how many Americans are either satisfied and want to continue living here, or are unsettled and wish to leave.
Vote and discuss.
Not possible.
Anything below 60 F is too cold.
30 C is a nice summer day, not hot in the least.
I'd rather be cold it seems easier to get warm on a cold than to get cool on a warm day. Sure we get +30 but it's never continuous.
I turn the air conditioner on full blast and stay indoors, so do most people. Actually at 30C Toronto issues an extreme heat alert and people are advised to stay inside.
My house is very old the insulation sucks at -30 no matter what it is cold inside but the air conditiong works great still at +30. That is my particular situation however.
I turn the air conditioner on full blast and stay indoors, so do most people. Actually at 30C Toronto issues an extreme heat alert and people are advised to stay inside.
And Toronto calls out the army when they get a bit of snow. Sorry but you guys will never live that one down
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