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Get That Real ID or Else- But Obtaining a Voter ID is too Difficult? (1 Viewer)

The Birthright Citizenship case comes up in the SC in May. This will be a test case. If the court allows Trump to change this with EO, he'll try it with voter ID next.
If SC lets them change birthright citizenship by EO, then the SC will be wrong.

And, perhaps ironically, will have somehow interpreted the constitution unconstitutionally.
 
You mean the same voter fraud claims no one's substantiated?
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yea
catch 22
how can you investigate voter fraud if you can't check IDs?
the Democrats are Liars
they have IDs
they are against voter ID laws because commit voter fraud
voter fraud is a voting rights violation
the Democrats are against voting rights
 
It says nothing about elections for POTUS which is what I’m proposing. If we can require the people to obtain RealID for something as trivial as travel we most certainly see that voting is a far more consequential action therefore increased scrutiny needs applied. It’s the logical approach.

Opposition to voter ID in the face of RealID compliance is a loosing debate.
What?

Oh, it definitely says something about elections for POTUS

The constitution, that is.
 
yea
catch 22
No.

how can you investigate voter fraud if you can't check IDs?
Because when you show up to fraudulently use my name and registration to vote, you'll be arrested. You are familiar with voter rolls, yes?

the Democrats are Liars
MAGA thinks people want to risk prison by standing in five different lines to fraudelently vote. For five votes. Five years per vote.

they have IDs
Most everyone has ID. So what?

they are against voter ID laws because commit voter fraud
Nobody I know is opposed to voter ID. What concerns people is that voters will be denied their rights.

voter fraud is a voting rights violation
Not allowing someone to vote because he lost his voter ID on the way to the poll is a voting rights violation.

the Democrats are against voting rights
Democrats have been champions of voting rights. MAGA are against democracy.
 
No.


Because when you show up to fraudulently use my name and registration to vote, you'll be arrested. You are familiar with voter rolls, yes?


MAGA thinks people want to risk prison by standing in five different lines to fraudelently vote. For five votes. Five years per vote.


Most everyone has ID. So what?


Nobody I know is opposed to voter ID. What concerns people is that voters will be denied their rights.


Not allowing someone to vote because he lost his voter ID on the way to the poll is a voting rights violation.


Democrats have been champions of voting rights. MAGA are against democracy.
when someone votes twice, they deny other people their right to vote
btw, the polls that I have seen show that most people support voter ID
only someone voting twice would not want to show their ID
 
yea
catch 22
how can you investigate voter fraud if you can't check IDs?
Well, there is the count of registered voters against the actual number of votes as the most basic way. Remind me again when in US history there was a massive discrepancy between the two?

the Democrats are Liars
they have IDs
they are against voter ID laws because commit voter fraud
voter fraud is a voting rights violation
the Democrats are against voting rights
They are not. What they are not in favor of is potentially disenfranchising those who may not have state issued IDs and creating what amounts to a poll tax since there is no free IDs. This is all being done based on the claims some have made about there being widespread voter fraud, which they have not been able to substantiate through their own investigations or in a court of law.
 
Well, there is the count of registered voters against the actual number of votes as the most basic way. Remind me again when in US history there was a massive discrepancy between the two?


They are not. What they are not in favor of is potentially disenfranchising those who may not have state issued IDs and creating what amounts to a poll tax since there is no free IDs. This is all being done based on the claims some have made about there being widespread voter fraud, which they have not been able to substantiate through their own investigations or in a court of law.
2020
 
when someone votes twice,
When someone attempts to use another's name and registration, they will be arrested. I already said this. If someone steals and mails someone else's ballot, they will be arrested. If someone mails a ballot from a deceased spouse, they will be arrested.

Only an idiot would attempt the first two. The third, while also idiotic, takes a little time to catch, but they do get caught.

they deny other people their right to vote
They get caught.

btw, the polls that I have seen show that most people support voter ID
That's pretty much what I said. Those that don't are concerned about voters being denied their rights. Imagine showing up at the polling place having lost your voter ID. Your rights would be violated if an alternate ID wasn't accepted, and if alternate ID is acceptable, then voter ID is redundant and unnecessary.

only someone voting twice would not want to show their ID
Those that vote twice are arrested.

Las Vegas man who voted twice using dead wife’s ballot pleads guilty, avoids jail time

Republican. Disgusting. Read the article and get back to me.
 
What discrepancy existed in 2020?

From what I can tell, there were ~ 215 million registered voters, and ~159 million ballots cast.

Do you mean the discrepancy between how many less ballots were cast compared to the total number of registered voters?
 
As much as I'd get a good chuckle out of you potentially responding with links to 2000 Mules and other examples that don't cut it. I am curious as to when you think the Trump administration proved their case in court.
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Want to go visit grandma in Oregon?

How about Mexico City?

Get that Real ID or forget about it!

Oh, don't have records from that divorce decades ago? Go find them!

But when it comes to voting? Oh wait, that's a bridge too far asking people to get an ID.

It's just too difficult for some and therefore, its too much to ask of them.

I'm raising the BS flag.

Why can’t we put any restrictions on firearms? Like universal background checks?
 
As much as I'd get a good chuckle out of you potentially responding with links to 2000 Mules and other examples that don't cut it. I am curious as to when you think the Trump administration proved their case in court.
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well, here is the problem
how can you verify 150 million ballots?
you can't
but what you can do is a statistical analysis
I don't have any expectation for the Democrats to ever admit that they are liars and cheaters
the beauty of the ballot drop boxes is that they can be stuffed
and that is what they did

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well, here is the problem
how can you verify 150 million ballots?
Each state has its own certification process. The process can be found in state law. A call to your county election officials could likely answer the question directly.

you can't
Of course we can. We've been certifying mail ballots since the Civil War.

but what you can do is a statistical analysis
I don't have any expectation for the Democrats to ever admit that they are liars and cheaters
the beauty of the ballot drop boxes is that they can be stuffed
and that is what they did

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Tinfoil.
 
well, here is the problem
how can you verify 150 million ballots?
you can't
but what you can do is a statistical analysis
I don't have any expectation for the Democrats to ever admit that they are liars and cheaters
the beauty of the ballot drop boxes is that they can be stuffed
and that is what they did

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...and this evidence led to them winning which court cases?
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The debate over voter ID is easy to analyze. Conservatives, maybe influenced somewhat by Trump’s repeated claims of voter fraud, want fewer people to vote. They have admitted this, since they do better with low turnout. Voter ID would go in the direction of limiting turnout. Democrats benefit when more people vote, and are understandably suspicious of Republicans’ intentions.

Among the clearest indications of the above analysis was the rush by Republican dominated states to impose voter ID and other restrictions following the Supreme Court decision that the Voting Rights Act was no longer needed.

Ultimately voter ID laws might work, but the record suggests that Republican-inspired rules in these laws are somewhat transparent efforts to make things better for them, not solely improving the integrity of elections.
 
The debate over voter ID is easy to analyze. Conservatives, maybe influenced somewhat by Trump’s repeated claims of voter fraud, want fewer people to vote. They have admitted this, since they do better with low turnout. Voter ID would go in the direction of limiting turnout. Democrats benefit when more people vote, and are understandably suspicious of Republicans’ intentions.

Among the clearest indications of the above analysis was the rush by Republican dominated states to impose voter ID and other restrictions following the Supreme Court decision that the Voting Rights Act was no longer needed.

Ultimately voter ID laws might work, but the record suggests that Republican-inspired rules in these laws are somewhat transparent efforts to make things better for them, not solely improving the integrity of elections.

Exactly this. There's a mariad of tactics the GOP uses to discard and refuse ballots. They want the turnout as low as possible. And it starts by targeting poor and minority communities.
 
Conservatives, maybe influenced somewhat by Trump’s repeated claims of voter fraud, want fewer people to vote.
Thanks for admitting fewer people would vote as a result of strengthening voter integrity. Those “fewer” voters shouldn’t be voting in the first place.
 
The debate over voter ID is easy to analyze. Conservatives, maybe influenced somewhat by Trump’s repeated claims of voter fraud, want fewer people to vote. They have admitted this, since they do better with low turnout. Voter ID would go in the direction of limiting turnout. Democrats benefit when more people vote, and are understandably suspicious of Republicans’ intentions.

Among the clearest indications of the above analysis was the rush by Republican dominated states to impose voter ID and other restrictions following the Supreme Court decision that the Voting Rights Act was no longer needed.

Ultimately voter ID laws might work, but the record suggests that Republican-inspired rules in these laws are somewhat transparent efforts to make things better for them, not solely improving the integrity of elections.
Voter ID requirement is acceptable to me if, and only if, the required ID is easily available, accessible, and entirely free of any costs to the potential voter.

This includes, but is not limited to, undue travel costs, excessive time requirements, or the like.

Additionally, there needs to be provisions to facilitate easy recovery of any documents or other proof of identity that are required to obtain this ID, so as not to limit potential voters from registering by that route.
 
Most people who commit crimes with firearms don’t purchase the from a store. They are typically stollen weapons.

So that would be a no. You won’t support universal background checks.
 

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