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That German governments have spent decades of living in la-la-land of "peace brother, so let's cut defense spending on account of Russia not being any threat" is something I've repeatedly mentioned myself.
The problem in Germany (how I see and saw it) was that the army never arrived in society's "middle". This disregard by the rest of society being part of a mixture of rejection (the lesser part) and indifference (the greater).I think especially there you hit the nail. When I was 19 we still had compulsory military service. From my friends the most did alternative social service. I went to the army cause I did not want the army beeing sole made up on militaristic folks - call it naive - it should have been an army of "citizens in uniform" - only for determent. Still sounds like a nice idea for me, but it seems we heavily underestimated russias ambitions...
Who had the Fulda Gap which during the Cold War presented the Soviet Russian Red Army with its only realistic and only best invasion route into Germany, and thus on to France and the low countries and northward to the UK, while moving south to Spain and east to Italy and Greece.At the height of the cold war Germany certainly knew very well what it wanted to be, namely NOT the nuclear playing field it was designed as by both sides of the combative coin. With all possible Russian incursions westwards being planned to storm thru Germany's Fulda gap, NATO response logically was to make not only that part of Germany the area of tactical nuclear counter-strikes, but to lay waste to the whole country [Germany] as the price that simply would have to be paid.
NOT France, NOT the UK and most certainly NOT the US. So it is (was) no wonder that, contrary to overall cynical NATO assessment, Germany sought alternative paths.
You didn't miscount. Post #15 is no longer there. You simply assumed it was still there.So I miscounted and one can have a ball with that. Well, enjoy the gotcha moment.
But as stated above, anyone so inclined can feast on his own gotcha moment of my having miscounted posts.
No thx because alas "bloviating" is what the uncomprehending and overwhelmed will see.The only response that this^^^^^^^^merits is that I've been speaking English from birth and in UK surroundings to boot (or at least from the moment that I could speak with infant intelligibility).
That I also had the privilege of doing that with a couple of other languages takes nothing from that.
One thing I was also taught within UK schooling is that the impact of what one has to say often lies in saying it with brevity, while long-windedness usually results in being seen as a bloviating buffoon.
In that spirit and thus wrt to the rest of the above, well, see my post # 29.
You can't answer my posts so you resort to vitriol and personal character assassination instead. Then you say to reread your posts as if they got better with time ha.
You do fine, Herr Hick as I'd indicated in the post of quotes and suggested improvements. Your errors are minor and constitute only a mild distraction from the message, when there is the occasional content message.don´t you recognize that nearly NO ONE answers your page long self communications? I think it´s because you are such a genius debater.
disclaimer: sorry for all my past and future mistakes in English language - I try to do my very best
I'm finding my definition of echo chambers subjected to long overdue correction. Before coming across this thread I always thought echo chambers are places where one goes to for the sake of having one's opinions applauded by others of equal lack of critical appraisal.don´t you recognize that nearly NO ONE answers your page long self communications? I think it´s because you are such a genius debater.
You're doing fine, besides which perfect command of syntax in any language serves little if one has nothing but manure to present. The latter thankfully not being the case with you.disclaimer: sorry for all my past and future mistakes in English language - I try to do my very best
I served in the West German Bundeswehr, social services were rather new. I personally admired the guys who decided to work in a nursing home, or hospital etc. those are hard jobs. During boot camp a very sharp and fit looking guy showed up and talked to several of us, including me. The guys he talked to were all superbly fit and very active in various sports, mostly endurance type.I think especially there you hit the nail. When I was 19 we still had compulsory military service. From my friends the most did alternative social service. I went to the army cause I did not want the army beeing sole made up on militaristic folks - call it naive - it should have been an army of "citizens in uniform" - only for determent. Still sounds like a nice idea for me, but it seems we heavily underestimated russias ambitions...
It just shows you have no idea, what you are talking about. The Fulda Gap is rather narrow in very hilly and densely forested terrain. Yes it was the central push area of the Warsaw pact. But it would have been very difficult and very costly to break through it.Who had the Fulda Gap which during the Cold War presented the Soviet Russian Red Army with its only realistic and only best invasion route into Germany, and thus on to France and the low countries and northward to the UK, while moving south to Spain and east to Italy and Greece.
Lookit the Fulda Gap in Cold War Germany from 1985, from East Germany into West Germany...
The concept of a major tank battle along the Fulda Gap became a predominant element of North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) war planning during the Cold War, 1947-91. With such an eventuality in mind, weapons were evolved such as nuclear tube and missile artillery, the nuclear recoilless gun/tactical launcher Davy Crockett, Special Atomic Demolition Munitions, the AH-64 Apache attack helicopter, and A-10 ground attack aircraft.
Frankfurt is the financial center of West Germany and now the reunified Germany and this is the first prize of the Russian Soviet invader. And let's keep in mind it was the Kaiser who facilitated Lenin traveling to Russia in a sealed train after the fall of the czar (Caesar) to execute the Bolshevik Revolution in 1917, because it brings us to the Fulda Gap during the Cold War of 1947-1991 following the defeat of Nazi Germany 1939-45. That was when Germany was divided into the democratic West vs the Soviet Russia East.
So the posts of the DP Bundesgang confirm that up to now German politics has been notorious for being dull and boring, which is why I pose the serious issues Germans and their sycophants don't like to discuss publicly. For instance the Bismarck Doctrine, that there can only be peace in Europe when Russia and Germany are happy together. Which makes Russia far more important to Germany and to a German run EU than the United States. A Russo-German run EU in fact.
The Russo-German Geostrategic Axis of Energy culminating in Nord Stream 2 into Germany is the manifestation of German exceptionalism, i.e., that the German state is destined to lord over all of Europe by one means or another. In the 21st century that means with Russian muscle and German cold blooded technology using energy as the vehicle.
So Germany is not a global power and never will be one. Germany has little to no geopolitical or geo strategic significance, post WW II it has had no military that is a threat to anyone, they forever barely have a coast on salt water and the place is locked in by the closed Baltic sea. Germany has a small population compared to the major powers -- only 83 million.
Besides existing for itself, Germany has no real global significance. Germans are the face of Western European climate change transition but little else. Indeed the Russo-German Geostrategic Axis of energy was always designed to dominate Europe and to lord over it -- Russian fossil fuels and military muscle joined to German cold blooded exceptionalism and technology.
It's only now as the world turns hostile toward Russia in Ukraine and when Germany is identified as the "weak link of the West" that Germany has had to declare itself for NATO led by the United States and to ante up with the bucks for its pathetic armed forces.
Yes, the best of the German best and the best of the NATO best.It just shows you have no idea, what you are talking about. The Fulda Gap is rather narrow in very hilly and densely forested terrain. Yes it was the central push area of the Warsaw pact. But it would have been very difficult and very costly to break through it.
I spent most the time of my military service in the Gap, that's were the best of the German units were massed and they were the best of the best of NATO.
Germany ostracizes dignitary, leading artists who remain cozy with Putin
Former German Chancellor and Putin crony Gerhard Schröder (1998-2005).
I've complained about the wannabe oligarch Schroeder for at least a decade.
Germany is finally waking up now that Angela Merkel is gone.
Yes, the best of the German best and the best of the NATO best.
The Russian Soviet Central Army Group was to be the decisive force rushing through the Fulda Gap. The decisive force of NATO was to be ten divisions provided by your West Germany and my USA exclusively. The Russian Soviet best against the NATO best --- at the Fulda Gap.
You are also unaware that saying to a poster "you have no idea, what you are talking about" is trite, glib, futile and foolish. You show nothing by trying that banal attack and you accomplish nothing.
Indeed, you try to play down the central importance of the Fulda Gap in Germany while you boast you were a military member of the best of the best from Germany and the best of the best in NATO. One doesn't waste his best of the best on anything less than their best of the best -- at the Fulda Gap. Of course you omit the presence of the American divisions among the 10 elite and decisive NATO divisions of West German forces and USA forces.
You're just a bundle of contradictions yet you're the only one who knows anything while your adversary knows nothing of what he posts.
Nothing.
I never liked the guy, from all SPD politicians this one just rubbed me the wrong way. Willy Brandt was OK but Schroeder just felt like an untrustworthy person.
The Red Army doctrine was to hit fast and to hit hard, before NATO could respond in strength of force in equipment and numbers. This doctrine remains in force under Putin (yet the big surprise is that we're not getting it in Ukraine).I was not best of the best, I was radio operater in the 7. Panzer Division - but I have enough military knowledge to understand that big flat plains are easier to conquer than heavily forrested hillsides..
Nothing about your attempted distraction of a hissyfit reduces or diminishes my post about the Fulda Gap and the Cold War (1947-91). The Soviet Russian Red Army and air forces identified and armed up the Fulda Gap from the communist East German side. NATO responded with US Army V Corps and developed nuclear weapons that were never deployed.Where did you get all those nonsenses from, General Tangmo ?
Tactical nukes ?
Used by NATO on German soil?
Surprise attack, they could not move 1 tank without us knowing it.
Amazing BS, General Tangmo, did you learn that in a video game ?
Hey, you're the guy who spent several posts insisting and repeating your certainty Putin would never invade Ukraine. Never in a million years eh. After all, Putin's too reasonable a guy to do anything like that, eh? Besides Putin's got Germany to listen to and you all understand each other. Keep things under control, NOT.Let me recap that General Tangmo.
First you said the US would deploy and use tactical nukes to stop the may be break through. Now General you tell me they were never deployed.
So you switch to the Soviets. Yes, that was a scenario, I was briefed on, even gas and biological. But both had one problem, the advancing army had to go through those contaminated areas, which would cause serious losses.
The idea of strategical weapons died in the cold war. Especially nukes and bios, because they are a burden and not a advancement, because your troops have to go through those contaminated areas. Tactical nukes never became part of the NATO defense doctrine. They are just a myth, in video games.
The Fulda Gap was design on the military side to be a huge trap, to drain the best of the best the Warsaw Pact had to offer. It was not a rigid defense system, it was a fall back system, designed to drain the advancing army, of its best.
We would have butchered them.
No doubt, they would never have come to Fulda.
But now General, I leave you, so you can talk to your selves again.
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