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the irony, is thick.
...You are a partisan hack with blinders on, Sorry you don't see it, All cable news is equally bad. CNN and that indian guy, is just plain boring...
He did a bad job of making a good point. The point he was making, is that young people--especially black teenagers--should think about the presentation that they're making when they're in public. Bascially, if they look like a thug, they're probably going to be viewed as a thug and will be treated like a thug.
Perhaps you need to do more research.
Witness in Trayvon Martin murder fingers police - YouTube
Look I get it. A black teen shot is always justified right? I mean our lives are not valuable to you anyway. I bet if Trayvon was a dog, Zimmerman would be in jail right now. I am sadden by a lot of people defending this guy like he is some kind of victim. But lets look at the facts:
1) Zimmerman got out the car looking for trouble. Trayvon was minding his own business walking to his father's house who is by the way a resident in that community. It very ironic that Zimmerman gun down the one that he was suppose to protecting.
2) It wasn't racially motivated???? Just listen to his 911 call. He claims that these ***holes always get away it and you he called Trayvon a F**king coon. Yeah he was color blind :roll:
3) Okay lets say they were fighting. The eye witness saw the fight in progress, but who started the fight???? Was Trayvon defending himself from this wanna be cop who felt he had to harass this kid for being "a f**king coon".
But you know what, at the end of the day, a father is without a son, a mother is without a son, he will never graduate high school, he will never go to college, he will never get married, he will never have kids. And according to you it was justified....
Perhaps you need to ask yourself a question. What if Trayvon was your kid gun down by Zimmerman? Would you say it was justified? would you defend Zimmerman? What would you do? People want to say that this case is not about race. Really??? If he was a white kid with the same clothes on, would Zimmerman have followed him? Would that kid still be alive today?
Sure i am. that's why I am blaming Geraldo for his inane comments. There's some pretzel logic. Typical right wing reasoning. Twist it and twist it some more.
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Pointing out your childish raging hypocrisy is not "changing the subject". You are a partisan hack with blinders on, Sorry you don't see it, All cable news is equally bad. CNN and that indian guy, is just plain boring, but msnbc, including your guy Al Sharpton, is just as bad as fox news. Stop being a sophomoric little cheerleader.
And another lie, I've already told you I don't watch cable news. Apparently you struggle, FOX NEWS SUCKS, AS DOES MSNBC, partisan hacks like you? That apparently means I am a Fox fan.....
/facepalm
Oooo k there bud. You got me.No. You're as relevant as any other 3 day old newbie on this forum.
You clearly don't. See, you're under the impression that all members are equal. This is not the case. There's a hierarchy. Your only purpose on this forum is to waste bandwidth. That's it. :shrug:
Oh my! Are you pretending to be Captain Courtesy? The whole psychoanalyst shtick isn't really your thing. You get dismissed because you typed a 1 word as a respone to what I said. Not because I can't defend my possition. Come at me with something relevant then maybe I'll care? No? I didn't think so. K thanks bye. :2wave:
Yes. Let's review your facts
1) Zimmerman got out the car looking for trouble.
False. The fact is he was trying to keep a suspicious person under observation until the police arrived.
That is not looking for trouble.
2) It wasn't racially motivated????
An unconfirmed claim. Not fact.
He claims that these ***holes always get away it
You have no actual idea what he meant by that, only what you believe he meant.
and you he called Trayvon a F**king coon. Yeah he was color blind :roll:
An unconfirmed claim. Not fact.
3) Okay lets say they were fighting. The eye witness saw the fight in progress, but who started the fight???? Was Trayvon defending himself from this wanna be cop who felt he had to harass this kid for being "a f**king coon".
Besides being hyperbole and supposition - Not a fact.
But you know what, at the end of the day, a father is without a son, a mother is without a son, he will never graduate high school, he will never go to college, he will never get married, he will never have kids. And according to you it was justified....
Perhaps you need to ask yourself a question. What if Trayvon was your kid gun down by Zimmerman? Would you say it was justified? would you defend Zimmerman? What would you do? People want to say that this case is not about race. Really??? If he was a white kid with the same clothes on, would Zimmerman have followed him? Would that kid still be alive today?
Emotion has no bearing on guilt or innocence here.
Would that kid still be alive today?
If he had stayed out of Zimmerman's sights after he "lost" him or had not attacked or confronted him from behind - most likely.
In reality you have no "facts" to speak of.
Perhaps you should take your own advice and do some more research.
...Would that kid still be alive today?
If he had stayed out of Zimmerman's sights after he "lost" him or had not attacked or confronted him from behind - most likely.....
Well, for starters we can look at the bolded lines and I can ask you to stop putting words in my mouth and making assumptions about my viewpoint.
I've already said, several times, that Zimmerman's claim to self-defense, under current law, could be called into question because it looks like he initiated the confrontation. That puts him in a bad light.
Second, not everyone agrees that Zimmerman said "coon" on the phone, it isn't certain. Even if he did, that in itself doesn't necessarily make this a hate crime alone.
Third, there are two eyewitnesses that saw Martin on top of Zimmerman, and Zimmerman suffered injuries. This tends to support Zimmerman's self-defense claim.
Personally I think the local DA/solicitor whoever was in error in not preferring some kind of charges and letting Zimmerman have his day in court to justify his actions. As I've said elsewhere, I'm not sure what the outcome of that would be, I am not assuming I have all the info that is available.
I've tried to make some of the info that IS, available to those in this thread who seem to be ignoring or unaware that there was a fight and at one point Martin was on top and injured Zimmerman. That's all.
Unlike you I am not rushing to judgement of either Zimmerman or Martin. I'll await the results of the investigation thanks.
[h=1]Geraldo Rivera: Trayvon Martin's 'Hoodie Is As Much Responsible For [His] Death As George Zimmerman' (VIDEO)[/h]
Correction. You are trying to justify Zimmerman's actions for gunning down Martin because lets be honest for a minute. If that kid was a 17 year white kid gun down the same way, there would be outrage and tears from people like you. This kid didn't do anything wrong except be black at the wrong time. wake up man we are not living in the fifties anymore. What is this now? Are we approving of shooting unarmed people now because they look suspicious? As a black man I have every God giving right to walk down the street and not worry about somebody harrassing me and shooting me in the back.
Bottom line this is what you believe:
Martin = Guilty until proving innocent
Zimmerman = Innocent until proving guilty
Wow I can see the fairness in that :roll:
the only evidence that Martin attacked Zimmerman, is Zimmerman's statement to the police, and a dishonest Fox News Tampa headline.
Bud you haven't been here long and you don't know me. You're throwing around accusations of racism and you don't even know what race I am.
When the case first was mentioned here, based on information that was available at that time, I said it looked like Zimmerman had exceeded the bounds of the law and committed manslaughter.
More information has come out now, which casts considerable doubt on the whole situation and makes it very difficult to say who was "in the right" overall.
I'm pointing out facts, and saying plainly that it is difficult to judge this case based on facts available. You've already convicted Zimmerman in your mind, of a hate crime.
No, a eyewitness named "John" has claimed that in a tussle, Zimmerman was on the bottom, and I think the police have now affirmed that he had a broken nose.
That is not what I said.Dude... DO you listen to yourself???? You pretty much excuse Zimmerman of anything. You pretty much just said Trayvon is dead because he was young and black. If he would have ran from Zimmerman he would have been alive today. But of course not running is a reason to kill. Well like I said in earlier post, people like you do not value black lives. I wish you would just admit that you are racist.
The first part you got correct, the second part isn't evidence.the only evidence that Martin attacked Zimmerman, is Zimmerman's statement to the police, and a dishonest Fox News Tampa headline.
The police report written by one named Timothy Smith says that Zimmerman "was also bleeding from the nose and the back of the head".No, a eyewitness named "John" has claimed that in a tussle, Zimmerman was on the bottom, and I think the police have now affirmed that he had a broken nose.
No. They shouldn't. They shouldn't think about presentation any more than white kids with mohawks or Latin kids with tattoos. They should be allowed to walk dressed however and wherever the **** they choose without fearing some dickhead will walk up to them with a gun. Clothing do not a criminal make and it's ridiculous prejudices like yours that are what got Trayvon killed to begin with.
Maybe the hoodie alone isnt enough to suspect someone on, but a hoodie, can of iced tea, and a bag of skittles? Doods lookin to start something,No. They shouldn't. They shouldn't think about presentation any more than white kids with mohawks or Latin kids with tattoos. They should be allowed to walk dressed however and wherever the **** they choose without fearing some dickhead will walk up to them with a gun. Clothing do not a criminal make and it's ridiculous prejudices like yours that are what got Trayvon killed to begin with.
Let me make it clearer for you.
If Trayvon had not attacked Zimmerman he most likely would still be alive today.
Yes we do know.First, we do not know that such an "attack"
There is no evidence that supports this and is purely supposition.Second, the attack could well have been Zimmerman attacking Martin and the kid standing his own ground and defending himself.
Zimmerman working in the capacity of NW and following Trayvon to keep him under observation until the police he called arrived is in no way wrong or incorrect.Third, one thing seems clear, If Zimmerman would have followed instructions and stayed in his vehicle and NOT confronted Martin, the kid would be alive today. Zimmerman provoked this incident and bears responsibility for what evolved from his confronting of Martin. If somebody stops or attempts to stop you while you are exercising your own rights you are well within your right to ignore them or even tell them to F off and get out of your face. And if they get pushy or belligerent in response, then this stand your ground law works to your benefit.
Yes we do know.
The evidence is that Trayvon attacked him from behind - Zimmerman's statement.
There is no other evidence that disputes that....
...Only evidence that Zimmerman was attacked from behind. Not with what, or how. Only that that is happened.
An attack that came from behind.
I'm not saying it is a hate crime, but it was definitely motives to go after the kid. He was caught on tape clearly sayng " they always get away". Who is they? I know what he means and I'm sure you knows what it means. I listen to the tape recording 20 times and he said coon. How all of the sudden cases like these are difficult? Thousand of men are in prison right now for the same thing that Zimmerman got to walk for.
We can disagree all night but this is fact. If Zimmerman gets away with this, Florida is sending out a dangerous message . It is okay to kill another individual if you provoke the altercation and feel threaten. I can go to my neighbor right now, if I didn't like him, and pick a fight with him just to claim self defense and shoot him. THis is what it is all about. There is no way in hell Zimmerman would be free if this kid was a white kid. And you know that is fact.
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