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George W. Bush compares ‘violent extremists at home’ to 9/11 terrorists in 20th anniversary speech

RedFishBlueFish said:
In the last 25 years 2 Republican presidents, Bush and Trump, were elected despite the fact they didn't have a plurality of the votes.

In both cases they were not "up to the job of presidency". Dubya was kind of dumb, but at least he wasn't a criminal like Trump.
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His administration ran a torture program.

Lets stop this rehabilitation of W Bush just because he's less of a scumbag than Trump.

W is a gigantic pos.
 
lemmiwinx said:
George W. Bush is a little weenie tot who was bullied by his older brother. It's time for him to toddle of into history as just another forgotten former US president.
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Bet you voted for him twice!
 
ClaraD said:
of course there were...and Latinos and illegal immigrants too...but surely you knew that...it wasn't just American citizens killed that day.
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But our "leaders" single out the Muslims.

(And you don't think that's political. Okay.)
 
Overitall said:
He could have been talking about last summer’s riots also. A lot of “national symbols” (even though controversial) were destroyed then. I can’t think of the insurrectionist destroying “national symbols” on 1/6. The official vote count is not symbolic. It’s necessary to fulfill the Constitutional requirement.
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Bush's comments about 1/6 when right wing Trump supporters rioted and tried to kill police in the capitol seem to lend weight to the argument that 1/6 was indeed on his mind, as it has been something he's once before actually made statements about.

"Laura and I are watching the scenes of mayhem unfolding at the seat of our Nation's government in disbelief and dismay. It is a sickening and heartbreaking sight. This is how election results are disputed in a banana republic -- not our democratic republic.
I am appalled by the reckless behavior of some political leaders since the election and by the lack of respect shown today for our institutions, our traditions, and our law enforcement. The violent assault on the Capitol -- and disruption of a Constitutionally-mandated meeting of Congress -- was undertaken by people whose passions have been inflamed by falsehoods and false hopes.
Insurrection could do grave damage to our Nation and reputation. In the United States of America, it is the fundamental responsibility of every patriotic citizen to support the rule of law. To those who are disappointed in the results of the election: Our country is more important than the politics of the moment. Let the officials elected by the people fulfill their duties and represent our voices in peace and safety.
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snakestretcher said:
Indeed, and as it became clearer with every passing day that Hans Blix and the UN weapons inspectorate were going to find nothing-and embarrass America in the process-they were abruptly pulled out before completing their jobs! Mission Accomplished! What a joke...the entire tragic Iraq fiasco which has repercussions for the Iraqi people even today.
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Yeah, we destabilized the middle east by toppling saddam. After we ****ed up Iraq beyond recognition, we then proceeded to afghanistan to **** it up.
 
Mycroft said:
Bush isn't the only one who tried to make today into a political issue.

Harris: “Sikh and Muslim Americans were targeted because of how they looked or how they worshipped.”

Biden: “We also witnessed the dark forces of human nature. Fear and anger. Resentment and violence against Muslim-Americans — true and faithful followers of a peaceful religion,”

(You think those two are trying to mollify the Taliban?)

On the other hand...

Trump: “September 11th represents great sorrow for our country,” “Many things were displayed that day, including most importantly the bravery of our police, fire and first responders of every kind, the job they did was truly unbelievable.” “We love them and we thank them.”
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This is the most disconnected to reality post I've read all day. Congratulations.
 
I'll admit that 1-6 was an insurrection when the left admits that the last year and a half Antifa/BLM riots were an insurrection.
 
gino said:
I'll admit that 1-6 was an insurrection when the left admits that the last year and a half Antifa/BLM riots were an insurrection.
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Hmm. Did 'Antifa'/BLM storm the Capitol in an attempt to overthrow a legitimate democratic process and call for the murder of elected officials?
 
snakestretcher said:
Hmm. Did 'Antifa'/BLM storm the Capitol in an attempt to overthrow a legitimate democratic process and call for the murder of elected officials?
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They tried to fire bomb the Federal Building in Portland for how MONTHS? They tried to burn down a police station with police still in it. 2 BILLION dollars of damage, and no one is willing to call that an insurrection?
 
gino said:
They tried to fire bomb the Federal Building in Portland for how MONTHS? They tried to burn down a police station with police still in it. 2 BILLION dollars of damage, and no one is willing to call that an insurrection?
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Yeah, so no insurrection then. I suggest you re-acquaint yourself with the definition of 'insurrection'...
dictionary.cambridge.org

insurrection

1. an organized attempt by a group of people to defeat their government and…
dictionary.cambridge.org dictionary.cambridge.org
 
The right wing extremists took over the Republican party, as many of us predicted, and now the Republican party will go much much lower still.
 
beerftw said:
Some testimony from a general claimed it was not just iraq but also iran syria libya etc, seemingly there has been atleast proxy attemps on all of the ones listed, with iran being the only one with no success.

I met bush jr one time, and I can say I do not believe he was the mastermind behind anything, he sounded very genuine like he believed everything he was saying, and that he was a puppet chosen because he was gullible enough to play along and not realize it. I think cheney and a few others were the masterminds behind the war efforts.

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No, I never believed that Bush was any kind of mastermind. He had always been the folksy and politically accommodating front man for big oil. The Bushes were part of the informal marriage of convenience between Houston and Wall Street.

Cheney and Rumsfeld were the masterminds. The conservative foreign policy diaspora in DC during the Clinton years coalesced around the idea of invading Iraq. It wasn’t that hard to sell, because the far right talk radio audience already believed an adolescent notion that George HW Bush didn’t “finish the job”.

The beneficiaries of the march to war were going to be Mobil and Unicol (which employed Condolezza Rice and Zalmay Khalidad). The scheme involved deposing Sadaam, installing a US controlled puppet government and renegotiating the oil concessions in favor of the producers through the revival of “production sharing agreements” which gave the lion’s share of the profits to the oil producers, not the host cou try. This was the substance of the Iraq Oil Law that the Bush Administration repeatedly tried to force through the Iraqi Parliment. The Iraqi law had been written by lawyers in Houston.

And we had a man ready to play front man in the new regime too! Ahmed Chalabi, head of the Iraqi National Congress had been campaigning for the job in drawing rooms and hotel ballrooms all over Washington in the 1990’s. His organization had started as a CIA backed front group, before the CIA got rid of him. Then he went to State, and got dropped because he couldn’t account for the money. Then Gingrich and the Republicans foisted him and the INC onto the Pentagon.

The incoming oil soaked Administration would include many Chalabi friends, Cheney and Rumsfeld, Lutti, Richard Pearle, Paul Wolfowitz, and Doug Feith. Together they became the voice for the selling of the war.

The Iraqi National Congress would turn out to be the source for most of the “flawed” intelligence that the Bush ADmininistration helped mightily by a relenteless noise campaign in right wing media.

Later, after the Iraq war had turned into a quagmire, and the WMD claims repeatedly turned out to be false, Chalabi was asked about his group’s efforts.

”We told the American exactly what they wanted to hear” was his reply.
 
CaughtInThe said:
The right wing extremists took over the Republican party, as many of us predicted, and now the Republican party will go much much lower still.
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The serious decline started with the asshoile Newt and was made worse by McCaine choosing that ****ing bimbo Palin.
 
gino said:
I'll admit that 1-6 was an insurrection when the left admits that the last year and a half Antifa/BLM riots were an insurrection.
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Reality does not depend on your admissions or moronic denials.
 
prometeus said:
The serious decline started with the asshoile Newt and was made worse by McCaine choosing that ****ing bimbo Palin.
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I heard grown men saying that the South was going to rise again in the 1960s.
 
SkyFox76 said:
This is the most disconnected to reality post I've read all day. Congratulations.
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Yeah, a Trumpster working very very hard to make it appear as though it wasn’t just Trump and the reactionary right out there demonizing muslims.

Of course, he did it be quoting Democratic politicians describing the behavior of Trump and the reactionary right and discussing the white resentment and bigotry that are the core themes of trumpism.
 
lemmiwinx said:
George W. Bush is a little weenie tot who was bullied by his older brother. It's time for him to toddle of into history as just another forgotten former US president.
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George W. Bush is the oldest in that family. He has no older brother.:rolleyes:

Did you intentionally embarrass yourself or you just don't know facts?
 
jonny5 said:
Me too, Antifa needs to be confronted.

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If you can't read the op-ed article on the Miami Herald webpage, try the WaPost page, I was able to read the original column without a subscription

In searching for a page I could read I was presented with a response to Thiessen's opinion from a site that surprised me - I think it may surprise others also.

No, Antifa is not the moral equivalent of neo-Nazis​

Recently, a fresh pathogen, which poses an urgent threat to public safety and discourse, has appeared suddenly on the political landscape. A batch of “liberals”, saddled with fragile sensibilities, have warned that liberty and lives are being threatened by ordinary, largely anonymous people seized with the duty to confront the ignorance and hate that Hurricane Donald and his abominable acolytes brandish routinely with impunity.

Predictably, the historically illiterate, ubiquitous members of the right-wing commentariat in America and beyond have attempted to tar the Antifa (anti-fascists) for resisting, and, if need be, defending itself against, the delinquents that march en masse at night with torches and mow down innocents in daylight with automobiles.

It’s an old trick: to negate real evil by manufacturing a phantom villain as a convenient foil or facile distraction.
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gino said:
I'll admit that 1-6 was an insurrection when the left admits that the last year and a half Antifa/BLM riots were an insurrection.
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I/6 was.

The summer riots were not.

Why?

Because of the definition of the word.

Perhaps you should look it up.
 
So, attempting to burn down a federal building isn't an insurrection? Trying to burn down a building with the police still inside is not an insurrection? And we are to ignore 2 BILLION dollars in damage?
 
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