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British lives were saved by the use of information obtained from terrorist suspects by "waterboarding", according to former US President George W Bush.
In his memoir, he said the simulated drowning technique had helped to break plots to attack Heathrow Airport and Canary Wharf in London.
If I knew that water boarding might stop another terrorist attack like 9/11 I would say go for it in New York Minute...........
"Might Save Lives"
I'm not naive enough to think that its not possible lives has been saved through torture but...
What about the innocents who get tortured in this manner?
What about civilians who get their head chopped off on the net?
"Might Save Lives"
I'm not naive enough to think that its not possible lives has been saved through torture but...
What about the innocents who get tortured in this manner?
What about the innocent people who have been tortured by the United States?
The people who beheaded people on the net will be dealt with. Believe me.
Which "innocents" were waterboarded?
If it was even possible to assertian just how many people have been water boarded then we might have an answer.
But are you naive enough to think that not a single innocent person has been tortured by your government?
I believe you're going to have to do better than that if you want to show wrongdoing.
Maybe I could if your government would come clean about whats happened.
Innocents have been detained in Gitmo. We know nothing about abuses that have taken place at CIA black sites and especially about the people your government handed over to governments like Syria and Egypt to torture them on your behalf.
Look. I appreciate you trying to keep me on my toes Harshaw, you ask very good and difficult questions, sometimes I have to back down.
But this time, you cannot tell me there's no way innocents have been caught in the net. Do you really think the government would get it right 100% of the time?
I'm not addressing innocents being swept up in a net. I'm talking about innocents being waterboarded. Three people were waterboarded; they were NOT innocents; the program ended in 2003 and hasn't been used since.
And, beyond that, I'm referring to innocents being "tortured."
It's one thing to think of innocents being swept up on the fog of war. That, of course, is entirely possible, even plausible. There were quite a few who were released from Gitmo for that reason.
But innocents being "tortured"? No. You're going to have to show something more. Considerably more.
Ok. So if innocents haven't been tortured. Then your government should disclose all records relating to prisoner transport and treatment immediately.
BBC News - George W Bush claims UK lives 'saved by waterboarding'
Goes to show, its effective to a degree. I'm personally okay with violating the rights of terrorists if it means protecting the right to life of innocent civilians.
"Might Save Lives"
I'm not naive enough to think that its not possible lives has been saved through torture but...
What about the innocents who get tortured in this manner?
The U.S. has lost all credibility in the detention department.
Is that what your professors say?
Do you have a rebuttal or just personal attacks?
It was a question. You made a sweeping assertion with nothing to back it up, so it was a natural one.
Please don't insult me further by trying to justify an obvious jab. I'll accept your apology any time, or you can just proceed with a real argument and I'd be happy to entertain it. Producing neither will result in me ignoring you.
Perhaps you would be better-served explaining exactly how you come to your conclusion.
Torture is torture, war crimes are war crimes, and this criminal monster needs to be brought to justice.
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