Gender Identity: I Can't Prove It, But I Strongly Suspect........

[jamesrodom]

......that most women, using a public women's restroom, would be uncomfortable if a "transgendered woman" who looked and sounded like a man was using it at the same time.

If my suspicion is true, what's the answer? Should those women just be told to "get over it"?

 

[americanwoman]

......that most women, using a public women's restroom, would be uncomfortable if a "transgendered woman" who looked and sounded like a man was using it at the same time.

If my suspicion is true, what's the answer? Should those women just be told to "get over it"?

How would I know that it's a man?

Do you peek under the stalls, or what?

 

[Praxas]

......that most women, using a public women's restroom, would be uncomfortable if a "transgendered woman" who looked and sounded like a man was using it at the same time.

If my suspicion is true, what's the answer? Should those women just be told to "get over it"?

Pretty sure you mean Transgendered Man (person who was born female but going through the change to become a man), but that aside, the whole transgender man or woman using a women's restroom is made into a bigger deal than it needs to be since 98% of all women's restrooms have stalls.

 

[jimbo]

......that most women, using a public women's restroom, would be uncomfortable if a "transgendered woman" who looked and sounded like a man was using it at the same time.

If my suspicion is true, what's the answer? Should those women just be told to "get over it"?

Somebody should be told to get over it.

And it's not the women.

 

[jamesrodom]

How would I know that it's a man?

Do you peek under the stalls, or what?

Well, first of all, I was addressing this question to women. It's not about anything I do.

Second, people don't spend their entire time in a stall. While they're going to and from the stall, washing their hands, etc., someone's gender is normally not that difficult to discern. If they speak, men usually have lower-pitched voices. If someone has facial hair, it's usually a man. Much of the time, men and women dress differently.

Not ALL of the time, I understand that. But most of the time.

 

[jamesrodom]

Pretty sure you mean Transgendered Man (person who was born female but going through the change to become a man), but that aside, the whole transgender man or woman using a women's restroom is made into a bigger deal than it needs to be since 98% of all women's restrooms have stalls.

No, I meant transgendered woman, but I could be using the wrong terminology.

Someone born a man, but who identifies as a woman, therefore would use a woman's restroom.

Otherwise, I agree with you, it's not a huge deal. For that matter, most of the public restrooms I use these days contain one toilet and one sink; obviously intended for use by one person at a time. I don't even really understand why they're designated "men" or "women" to begin with.

 

[jamesrodom]

Somebody should be told to get over it.

And it's not the women.

WHAT is "not the women"?

 

[Acadia]

How would I know that it's a man?

Do you peek under the stalls, or what?

C'mon. It's easy to tell much of the time. I'm not supporting or not supporting this, but c'mon...

 

[Acadia]

Somebody should be told to get over it.

And it's not the women.

Women's should be told to get get over what? Feeling unsafe? Feeling they've got no privacy? No choices? No vote in the matter?
Just shut up, ladies. Men are back to telling you your place, to be seen and not heard.

 

[americanwoman]

Well, first of all, I was addressing this question to women. It's not about anything I do.

Second, people don't spend their entire time in a stall. While they're going to and from the stall, washing their hands, etc., someone's gender is normally not that difficult to discern. Men usually have lower-pitched voices. If someone has facial hair, it's usually a man. Much of the time, men and women dress differently.

Not ALL of the time, I understand that. But most of the time.

I am a woman and I mind my own business in the bathroom.

I asked you because you seem to think people in a bathroom would somehow know the gender of a stranger. As long as someone isn't bothering me, who cares.

It seems like someone like you, all worried about other people's gender in the bathroom, would be more of a nuisance to me.

 

[americanwoman]

C'mon. It's easy to tell much of the time. I'm not supporting or not supporting this, but c'mon...

I don't really pay that close attention to other people, especially strangers, in a public bathroom.

Even when I go with my girlfriends and we share an open stall I turn away. They think I'm 'modest' or whatever but I just don't need to watch anyone pee. :shrug:

 

[WCH]

How would I know that it's a man?

Do you peek under the stalls, or what?

In Austin TX there are no gendered bathrooms meaning they all have a urinal. You'd know.

 

[HonestJoe]

......that most women, using a public women's restroom, would be uncomfortable if a "transgendered woman" who looked and sounded like a man was using it at the same time.

I suspect as many men would be uncomfortable using a public restroom with a transgender woman too though. Lots of types of people (or perceived types of people) might make some uncomfortable in a public restrooms, usually with little or no justification. Transgender people certainly don’t feel safe using public restrooms, regardless of which they use.

If you’re going to use a public restroom, you have to accept that you have little control over who else might be using it at the same time. 99% of the time, the issue is entirely inside the persons own head and when there is any kind of actual risk, we don’t always recognise it because we’re all too caught up on our personal hang-ups to focus on the practical realities.

 

[americanwoman]

In Austin TX there are no gendered bathrooms meaning they all have a urinal. You'd know.

Austin passes gender-neutral bathroom ordinance -

Using public restrooms will no longer bring anxiety to the transgender community in Austin. The city has approved a resolution which requires all single stall public bathrooms to be gender-neutral.

The city has become the first in Texas to enact an ordinance that is aimed to address public restroom issues plaguing the transgender community, people with disabilities, and parents with children of the opposite sex. The ordinance, however, does not address multiple stall bathrooms.

Single stalls, not multiple.

 

[HonestJoe]

C'mon. It's easy to tell much of the time. I'm not supporting or not supporting this, but c'mon...

How do you know? Sure, there'll be some people who you can clearly identify but you'll generally have no idea if you just pass a stranger in the street (or restroom) is actually transgender and you've not noticed (or vice-versa, where you make a false assumption).

 

[Acadia]

I don't really pay that close attention to other people, especially strangers, in a public bathroom.

Even when I go with my girlfriends and we share an open stall I turn away. They think I'm 'modest' or whatever but I just don't need to watch anyone pee. :shrug:

I'm a "noticer", lol. An observer, really.
Give me 2 seconds and I've observed more things than you can count.
Occupational hazzard.

 

[Acadia]

How do you know? Sure, there'll be some people who you can clearly identify but you'll generally have no idea if you just pass a stranger in the street (or restroom) is actually transgender and you've not noticed (or vice-versa, where you make a false assumption).

Bone structure.
Movement.
Height (sometimes).

 

[americanwoman]

I'm a "noticer", lol. An observer, really.
Give me 2 seconds and I've observed more things than you can count.
Occupational hazzard.

Now that's the kind of person you have to watch out for in the bathroom - of any gender. :2razz:

 

[jimbo]

Women's should be told to get get over what? Feeling unsafe? Feeling they've got no privacy? No choices? No vote in the matter?
Just shut up, ladies. Men are back to telling you your place, to be seen and not heard.

Not the women. The idiots that think the rest of the world should be made uncomfortable so they can be comfortable.

 

[Acadia]

Now that's the kind of person you have to watch out for in the bathroom - of any gender. :2razz:

I observe everywhere. Not a peeper, tho:lol:

 

[Lovebug]

I don't really pay that close attention to other people, especially strangers, in a public bathroom.

Even when I go with my girlfriends and we share an open stall I turn away. They think I'm 'modest' or whatever but I just don't need to watch anyone pee. :shrug:

The only problem I have with this is that, lets face it, most men (transitioning or other) don't sit and can't aim, which makes most male dedicated bathrooms smell gross. I can see that/crossing over being an issue.
Now, having said that, I have been to gas station bathrooms etc, where one serves all. I hold my nose, try not to touch anything with any part of my body, do my business and move on.
When you gotta go you gotta go.

 

[MrWonka]

......that most women, using a public women's restroom, would be uncomfortable if a "transgendered woman" who looked and sounded like a man was using it at the same time.

Maybe I'm mistaken, but wouldn't a trans-gendered woman be a man that converted to a woman and would therefore look and sound like a woman and would therefore likely go unnoticed unless someone was really paying attention which I think most people try not to do when they're in a public restroom.

The real confusion or freak out would be if you had a trans-gendered woman who looks and talks like a man being forced to use the women's bathroom because of stupid conservative laws.

 

[MrWonka]

The idiots that think the rest of the world should be made uncomfortable so they can be comfortable.

You mean like these idiots who walk around in public with loaded guns on their hips because they're scared to to out in broad daylight? They make everyone else uneasy knowing that there's a crazy gun nut in the room that could easily kill you if you look at them funny.

 

[HonestJoe]

Bone structure.
Movement.
Height (sometimes).

You even added the "sometimes" yourself. The fact remains that you don't know that you're 100% accurate (in both directions) in your assumptions and I pretty much guarantee you're not.

 

[MrWonka]

The only problem I have with this is that, lets face it, most men (transitioning or other) don't sit and can't aim, which makes most male dedicated bathrooms smell gross.

You don't really seem to know anything whatsoever about transgender people. Maybe you should just sit this discussion out or try listening to people who know more about it.