Gay people have as much "choice" to be gay as you do to not sin

And the fact is that we are ALL slaves to sin.

John 8: 34-36
Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who practices sin is a slaveb to sin. 35The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. 36So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed".

The fact is that we live in an evil world and are afflicted with the condition known as "sin" and we are INCAPABLE of not sinning.

1 John 5:19 esv
We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.

Romans 7:18 esv
For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out.

My belief is that demonic and Satanic oppression is what pushes or compels us to engage in sin and, for some, that means engaging in homosexual behavior, for others it might mean getting drunk every night. It's all sin!

Ephesians 6:12 esv
For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.

We are responsible for our sins, but only to a point because ultimately, we cannot help but sin. We must try to resist sin, of course, but God has forgiven us for our sin as evidenced by the sacrifice of Jesus for ALL of mankind.

So, when people tell you that gay people have a "choice" to NOT be gay, that's not exactly true. Again, they have as much "choice" to not be gay as the critic does to not engage in sin.

I have a choice not to be gay and also not sin. Plus I just bought 4 of those pillows from the MyPillow guy sin free overnight delivery.

M1Gringo said:

And the fact is that we are ALL slaves to sin.

John 8: 34-36
Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who practices sin is a slaveb to sin. 35The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. 36So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed".

The fact is that we live in an evil world and are afflicted with the condition known as "sin" and we are INCAPABLE of not sinning.

1 John 5:19 esv
We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.

Romans 7:18 esv
For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out.

My belief is that demonic and Satanic oppression is what pushes or compels us to engage in sin and, for some, that means engaging in homosexual behavior, for others it might mean getting drunk every night. It's all sin!

Ephesians 6:12 esv
For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.

We are responsible for our sins, but only to a point because ultimately, we cannot help but sin. We must try to resist sin, of course, but God has forgiven us for our sin as evidenced by the sacrifice of Jesus for ALL of mankind.

So, when people tell you that gay people have a "choice" to NOT be gay, that's not exactly true. Again, they have as much "choice" to not be gay as the critic does to not engage in sin.

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M1Gringo said:

And the fact is that we are ALL slaves to sin.

John 8: 34-36
Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who practices sin is a slaveb to sin. 35The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. 36So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed".

The fact is that we live in an evil world and are afflicted with the condition known as "sin" and we are INCAPABLE of not sinning.

1 John 5:19 esv
We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.

Romans 7:18 esv
For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out.

My belief is that demonic and Satanic oppression is what pushes or compels us to engage in sin and, for some, that means engaging in homosexual behavior, for others it might mean getting drunk every night. It's all sin!

Ephesians 6:12 esv
For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.

We are responsible for our sins, but only to a point because ultimately, we cannot help but sin. We must try to resist sin, of course, but God has forgiven us for our sin as evidenced by the sacrifice of Jesus for ALL of mankind.

So, when people tell you that gay people have a "choice" to NOT be gay, that's not exactly true. Again, they have as much "choice" to not be gay as the critic does to not engage in sin.

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Talibornagain bible bullshit.

People who are gay pose zero threat to you.

The threat is all in your head. Its hilarious to see how threatened you are.

Tick tick tick.

You have a choice to not be a christian.

As a believing Christian you make a willing choice to accept Christ and turn from sin. If you are gay you are committing a sin, and if you don't turn from sin in accepting Christ you continue to sin.
Millions of alcoholics make a choice everyday to not drink even though they are alcoholics.

Integrityrespec said:

As a believing Christian you make a willing choice to accept Christ and turn from sin. If you are gay you are committing a sin, and if you don't turn from sin in accepting Christ you continue to sin.
Millions of alcoholics make a choice everyday to not drink even though they are alcoholics.

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Wow, so your god makes gay people and then calls them sinners?

Your fake god is a real asshole.

When did you chose to be heterosexual. You made the choice every day to be heterosexual.

BTW, Jesus sure did like to hang out with other men, didn't he?

And, he was a cross dresser.

Integrityrespec said:

As a believing Christian you make a willing choice to accept Christ and turn from sin. If you are gay you are committing a sin, and if you don't turn from sin in accepting Christ you continue to sin.
Millions of alcoholics make a choice everyday to not drink even though they are alcoholics.

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Good thing your religion is made up. But hey go worship your sky fairy and leave everyone else alone.

M1Gringo said:

And the fact is that we are ALL slaves to sin.

John 8: 34-36
Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who practices sin is a slaveb to sin. 35The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. 36So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed".

The fact is that we live in an evil world and are afflicted with the condition known as "sin" and we are INCAPABLE of not sinning.

1 John 5:19 esv
We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.

Romans 7:18 esv
For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out.

My belief is that demonic and Satanic oppression is what pushes or compels us to engage in sin and, for some, that means engaging in homosexual behavior, for others it might mean getting drunk every night. It's all sin!

Ephesians 6:12 esv
For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.

We are responsible for our sins, but only to a point because ultimately, we cannot help but sin. We must try to resist sin, of course, but God has forgiven us for our sin as evidenced by the sacrifice of Jesus for ALL of mankind.

So, when people tell you that gay people have a "choice" to NOT be gay, that's not exactly true. Again, they have as much "choice" to not be gay as the critic does to not engage in sin.

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Please don't take the Lord's name in vain with this egomaniacal nonsense of a post.

Davin said:

Good thing your religion is made up. But hey go worship your sky fairy and leave everyone else alone.

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I find it so bizzare.

beefheart said:

People who are gay pose zero threat to you.

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A point not in dispute.

You do know that there are lots of Gays in the animal kingdom, which includes us.
Really not that-big-a-deal.

M1Gringo said:

And the fact is that we are ALL slaves to sin.

John 8: 34-36
Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who practices sin is a slaveb to sin. 35The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. 36So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed".

The fact is that we live in an evil world and are afflicted with the condition known as "sin" and we are INCAPABLE of not sinning.

1 John 5:19 esv
We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.

Romans 7:18 esv
For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out.

My belief is that demonic and Satanic oppression is what pushes or compels us to engage in sin and, for some, that means engaging in homosexual behavior, for others it might mean getting drunk every night. It's all sin!

Ephesians 6:12 esv
For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.

We are responsible for our sins, but only to a point because ultimately, we cannot help but sin. We must try to resist sin, of course, but God has forgiven us for our sin as evidenced by the sacrifice of Jesus for ALL of mankind.

So, when people tell you that gay people have a "choice" to NOT be gay, that's not exactly true. Again, they have as much "choice" to not be gay as the critic does to not engage in sin.

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I have a choice to ignore bullshit from people as well as books of fiction.

beefheart said:

Wow, so your god makes gay people and then calls them sinners?

Your fake god is a real asshole.

When did you chose to be heterosexual. You made the choice every day to be heterosexual.

BTW, Jesus sure did like to hang out with other men, didn't he?

And, he was a cross dresser.

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You are one sick puppy. But hey, it's your right to choose to deny Christ. I'd suggest some study.

Integrityrespec said:

You are one sick puppy. But hey, it's your right to choose to deny Christ. I'd suggest some study.

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Jesus was a cross dresser get over it.

lemmiwinx said:

I have a choice not to be gay and also not sin.

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You can't be serious.....?

beefheart said:

Talibornagain bible bullshit.

People who are gay pose zero threat to you.

The threat is all in your head. Its hilarious to see how threatened you are.

Tick tick tick.

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Well said, thanks for your honesty. I appreciate people like you who keep this board sane and reality based.

M1Gringo said:

And the fact is that we are ALL slaves to sin.

John 8: 34-36
Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who practices sin is a slaveb to sin. 35The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son remains forever. 36So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed".

The fact is that we live in an evil world and are afflicted with the condition known as "sin" and we are INCAPABLE of not sinning.

1 John 5:19 esv
We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.

Romans 7:18 esv
For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out.

My belief is that demonic and Satanic oppression is what pushes or compels us to engage in sin and, for some, that means engaging in homosexual behavior, for others it might mean getting drunk every night. It's all sin!

Ephesians 6:12 esv
For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places.

We are responsible for our sins, but only to a point because ultimately, we cannot help but sin. We must try to resist sin, of course, but God has forgiven us for our sin as evidenced by the sacrifice of Jesus for ALL of mankind.

So, when people tell you that gay people have a "choice" to NOT be gay, that's not exactly true. Again, they have as much "choice" to not be gay as the critic does to not engage in sin.

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You had a choice not to make this stupid thread, but you did it anyway.

I don't think that other people choose their sexual orientation or gender identity any more than I did.

Integrityrespec said:

As a believing Christian you make a willing choice to accept Christ and turn from sin. If you are gay you are committing a sin, and if you don't turn from sin in accepting Christ you continue to sin.
Millions of alcoholics make a choice everyday to not drink even though they are alcoholics.

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First of all, it's not at all obvious that being gay - loving someone of the same sex - is sinful.

But what you're asking is for gay people to live lives without an intimate partner. If you're lucky you have a wife who you love and who provides you support, and you support her (or him), and that relationship is part of a fulfilling life. So if you demand that gays 'abstain' from such relationships, you need to be upfront about the massive burden, massive sacrifice, that you're demanding of gay people, then realize why many will not agree to those terms.

FWIW, I'm an alcoholic, sober for many years (14 I think...) now. It's not actually a sacrifice. I live a better, more fulfilling, healthier, happier life without alcohol. We can 'move on' from alcohol. Tell someone at 16 or whatever that they will not and cannot EVER have an intimate, loving relationship and then tell me how they 'move on' from THAT. What fills that void? Would you agree at 16 to those conditions, just because someone reads the Bible in a way that prohibits YOU from engaging in a loving, intimate relationship?

What I cannot get is why 'God' would demand such a thing. It's easy enough to grasp why the 'Golden Rule' is helpful, to society, the person, to a peaceful, loving existence on this planet. What purpose, heavenly or earthly, is served by demanding gays deprive themselves of loving, intimate relationships otherwise encouraged by Christianity? We see older couples, maybe 50 years married, still obviously in love, despite what we know are good years, some struggles, great years, and we all applaud that, wish for that. The 'demand' is gays MUST NOT BE ALLOWED THAT!!! Why?

Helix said:

I don't think that other people choose their sexual orientation or gender identity any more than I did.

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That's what I said.

Old 'N Chill said:

Well said, thanks for your honesty. I appreciate people like you who keep this board sane and reality based.

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Honesty is applaudable, as is sanity. Reality is what it is and in that all that is required of it.

Civility is also applaudable. It is a good thing. I find it, like humility, enhances honesty. It is lacking in some of the outspoken among us here, as honest as they might be in their utterances.

beefheart said:

Jesus was a cross dresser get over it.

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A bad man in a dress can only be stopped by a good man in a dress.

JasperL said:

Tell someone at 16 or whatever that they will not and cannot EVER have an intimate, loving relationship and then tell me how they 'move on' from THAT.

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Yea, that's tough. Homosexual relation is a sin, but a truly gay person is NOT at fault over their same-sex attraction any more than all of the rest of us who sin. We are ALL sinners, we just sin in different ways.