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Name calling is childish.
so basically you were wrong, people tried to help you learn, you refuse to , and roll the goalposts further away. I pity people like you, changing one's opinion in the face of real facts is a glorious thing. People like you who are sheep to some right wing noise machine are barely living.
What screws up marriage more: Two gay men or women who love each other seeking to be married? Or a Heteroxsexual man who has sex with another married mans wife?
ACLU = there is no freak too freaky, there is no homosexual too homosexually, there is no color too colorful, there is no woman to masculine, there is no junkie too pathetic, there is no law too strange etc., etc, etc,.................................................................................
The Bible didnt say it was a perversion...it said it was a sin....no better and no worse than fornicating and adultery. Why arent you freaking out over those sinners marrying and fouling marriage?
Your 'sky is falling' assumption that even more 'fouling' of marriage will occur is silly and unfounded....It's just like...using the exact same words....as those objecting to interracial marriage...they considered that 'fouling' too. And those people and their ignorance and hate (yes, because they do not care about the humans they would deny happiness) DISGUST me.
And there will not be assaults on churches (not successful anyway). The govt legally does not have that power. And gays can already find plenty of churches of many denominations to marry them.
cool story it has zero impact here
morals are meaningless to this topic, we are discussing rights
Riggghhht. They defend Christians to trick them! :lol:
Only because you don't want morals to get in your way.
not my problem if facts bother you but your story has no impact on this topicGood, no point having a discussion with a self appointed god.
There are no valid reasons that should be forced on your fellow Americans that dont follow your beliefs. There is no harm shown...to marriage or society...or families.
So, feel free to share your valid reasons, which are only valid if they dont force your religious beliefs on others (so in that, you may be correct....they would not mean anything to me)
And 'narrow progressive view' is bull**** since my perspective is INCLUSIVE and broad and flexible. It actively LOOKS for harm and finds none.
Yours is rigid and full of ignorance and even hate....because you choose to inflict emotional pain on those that do you no harm. How would you have felt if *the GOVT told you you couldnt marry your wife?*
Only because you don't want morals to get in your way.
You need to understand that morality is not a matter of facts in the first place, and that your moral disapproval is not reason enough to make something illegal. I think it's immoral for people to go to a Justin Bieber concert, but it is clearly not in my right to prevent you from attending.
You're right. Same sex marriage is not a race issue. Nobody is saying that it is. People are making comparisons because the arguments are identical. It's immoral. Is unnatural. Against the will of God. Against the will of the people. Against states rights. Every one of these arguments was used against interracial marriage.
disneydude said:What screws up marriage more: Two gay men or women who love each other seeking to be married? Or a Heteroxsexual man who has sex with another married mans wife?
Weak argument.
Are you married? Has your marriage become less important because of same sex marriage that is already happening? Do you love your spouse less? Does God approve of your union less? Does God love you less? Do you love your children less? Are you more likely to get divorced because two dudes got married in Minnesota yesterday? Would you be more likely to get divorced if a gay couple next door got married?
Exactly what about your life or your marriage, or anybody else's marriage, is being harmed here?
Why is your approval of someone else's marriage important? Is my approval of your marriage equally important? If I disapprove of your union, should it be illegal?
Arguing from willful ignorance is probably the dumbest thing you can do
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Someone or group is trying to legally force an issue regardless of the people it may offend or hurt. In a lot of cases they win the legal battle because the other side doesn't have the funds to fight the argument. Under those circumstances you put a line between people because you can't be trusted, you become a bully.
The inclusion of sexual deviates does diminish the institution as a whole but It doesn't mater because the damage is done.
Lursa said:The Bible didnt say it was a perversion...it said it was a sin....no better and no worse than fornicating and adultery. Why arent you freaking out over those sinners marrying and fouling marriage?
Your 'sky is falling' assumption that even more 'fouling' of marriage will occur is silly and unfounded....It's just like...using the exact same words....as those objecting to interracial marriage...they considered that 'fouling' too. And those people and their ignorance and hate (yes, because they do not care about the humans they would deny happiness) DISGUST me.
And there will not be assaults on churches (not successful anyway). The govt legally does not have that power. And gays can already find plenty of churches of many denominations to marry them.
Drama! Drama! The conversation isn't about adulterers or fornicators but I like them even less because they give the evil minions a false leg to stand on. Sex is not race but if you think it is that's ok. Any act that is unnatural brought into marriage is entering the institution under false pretenses and cheapens it for everyone. So the only way they could find happiness is to get married, oh brother.
Lursa said:Yours is rigid and full of ignorance and even hate....because you choose to inflict emotional pain on those that do you no harm. How would you have felt if *the GOVT told you you couldnt marry your wife?*
These are not issues of defending immorality or bad behavior.
ACLU= Your rights are paramount; even if you are a freak. The Constitution Loves you too.
The bible may foresake you, but the Constitution is for freaks. Thank god.
Correction: we don't want your morals to get in somebody else's way, because that is unamerican.
Only because you don't want morals to get in your way.
not my problem if facts bother you but your story has no impact on this topic
nope just stating a fact
your subjective opinion of morals is 100% meaningless to rights, same as my subjective opinion of morals, are opinions of morals dont matter to rights.
I always love how a progressives view is based on the only way they'll ever be happy is if they are permitted to encroach on your beliefs. If the government banned marriage a civil union would be fine because for official purposes that fits the bill.
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