Gary Johnson, in his own failed words

[countryboy]

Do you ever stop to wonder why?

It's not difficult to figure out. The average voters is completely ignorant, and pull the lever for whichever personality appeals to them. The fact that you and I are more informed, isn't going to change that, unfortunately.

 

[Dragonfly]

It's not difficult to figure out. The average voters is completely ignorant, and pull the lever for whichever personality appeals to them. The fact that you and I are more informed, isn't going to change that, unfortunately.

Vast majorities of the people in this country, both educated and non-educated, continue to blindly support the two party system every single, stinking election cycle by not only registering to vote as a member of one of the two parties, but also by actually voting for one of the two parties.

if you're a registered R, or a registered D, and you continually pull the levers for those candidates, regardless of your education and political interests, you're supporting what they do.

Why should they change anything? What they're doing is generally working well for them.

They've got a duopoly happening and that's just fine with them. They'd prefer a monopoly, but a duopoly ain't bad either.

 

[VanceMack]

He sure is, especially if you agree with 75% of the DNC platform.

Gary Johnson on the Issues

Sound bites make for lousy evidence.

No candidate is perfect. I said in 2012 the same thing I said when Johnson won the nomination in 2016...that the Libertarian party needs to do a better job of fielding viable candidates. There are things I really like about Johnson. There are things I like about Johnson. And there are things that I absolutely do not like about Johnson. At the end of the day...who do you want submitting the next 3-4 supreme court justices?

Johnson has proven that he can work with both parties. I think that is needed.

BTW...I am someone very opposed to illegal immigration and I believe that a path to citizenship or legal worker status (amnesty) is the ONLY logical solution. But then...Im a 'liberal'.

 

[countryboy]

Gary Johnson on the Issues

Sound bites make for lousy evidence.

No candidate is perfect. I said in 2012 the same thing I said when Johnson won the nomination in 2016...that the Libertarian party needs to do a better job of fielding viable candidates. There are things I really like about Johnson. There are things I like about Johnson. And there are things that I absolutely do not like about Johnson. At the end of the day...who do you want submitting the next 3-4 supreme court justices?

Johnson has proven that he can work with both parties. I think that is needed.

BTW...I am someone very opposed to illegal immigration and I believe that a path to citizenship or legal worker status (amnesty) is the ONLY logical solution. But then...Im a 'liberal'.

Soundbites in the candidates own words, on video. Are you saying they are not accurate?

 

[VanceMack]

Soundbites in the candidates own words, on video. Are you saying they are not accurate?

Context is everything. And in some instances they are correct and I dont agree with them. Ive never agreed with everything a republican candidate has said nor everything a democrat has said. Politically, I am a Kennedy democrat. Both parties left me a looooooooong time ago.

I believe the best option for this country as I have said all along is for Johnson to win the presidency and the GOP to maintain control of the house and senate. I dont fear individual presidents and executive orders.

 

[JayDubya]

Gary Johnson's position, if he is consistent with his own prior statements, would be that he is opposed to Roe and understands that the Constitution does not mention abortion at all, i.e. 10th Amendment, i.e. federalism, i.e. return the matter to where it belongs by the rule of law, with each state setting its own criminal code in this regard. This would theoretically mean he could be trusted to appoint non-corrupt and literate Supreme Court members.

That said, IF he is consistent... Well he isn't - see this video, 20 seconds in, or his current campaign website makes no mention of this instead adopting either defeatism or support for the status quo.

As such, he isn't qualified to be making those appointments, period. Not that Trump with his lifetime of public statements and donations is qualified now that he gives lip service. And of course Hillary is just abject scum.

The Doctors Paul I would happily vote for and have in primaries whenever possible. Bob Barr or Michael Badnarik were worth supporting. Johnson... Ehhhhhhhhh. No.

 

[countryboy]

Context is everything. And in some instances they are correct and I dont agree with them. Ive never agreed with everything a republican candidate has said nor everything a democrat has said. Politically, I am a Kennedy democrat. Both parties left me a looooooooong time ago.

I believe the best option for this country as I have said all along is for Johnson to win the presidency and the GOP to maintain control of the house and senate. I dont fear individual presidents and executive orders.

There is no context to the positions in the video, you either support them, or you don't. Your link bears that out.

Partial birth abortion? Really?

 

[VanceMack]

There is no context to the positions in the video, you either support them, or you don't. Your link bears that out.

Partial birth abortion? Really?

Why is abortion a political issue? You and I BOTH know it will never be banned. If abortion at ANY stage is a concern to you wouldnt your cause be better served by providing real and viable alternatives to women that are pregnant? Imagine how much more could be done as an alternative to abortion if the resources spent fighting against it and to defend it were used to promote real choices.

 

[Quag]

Voting for Johnson is the equivalent of trying to get to an island and you can take a motor boat or a sail boat and you choose a car.

Voting for Trump/Clinton is the equivalent of trying to get to an island and deciding that they best way to do it is to ride on the back of an alligator.

 

[countryboy]

Why is abortion a political issue? You and I BOTH know it will never be banned. If abortion at ANY stage is a concern to you wouldnt your cause be better served by providing real and viable alternatives to women that are pregnant? Imagine how much more could be done as an alternative to abortion if the resources spent fighting against it and to defend it were used to promote real choices.

It goes to character. If someone condones partial birth abortion, what other evil abhorrent things do they condone?

 

[countryboy]

Gary Johnson's position, if he is consistent with his own prior statements, would be that he is opposed to Roe and understands that the Constitution does not mention abortion at all, i.e. 10th Amendment, i.e. federalism, i.e. return the matter to where it belongs by the rule of law, with each state setting its own criminal code in this regard. This would theoretically mean he could be trusted to appoint non-corrupt and literate Supreme Court members.

That said, IF he is consistent... Well he isn't - see this video, 20 seconds in, or his current campaign website makes no mention of this instead adopting either defeatism or support for the status quo.

As such, he isn't qualified to be making those appointments, period. Not that Trump with his lifetime of public statements and donations is qualified now that he gives lip service. And of course Hillary is just abject scum.

The Doctors Paul I would happily vote for and have in primaries whenever possible. Bob Barr or Michael Badnarik were worth supporting. Johnson... Ehhhhhhhhh. No.

In the list of his positions posted, it reads he is on board with abortion up to viability.

 

[Absentglare]

I wish in personality and presentation Johnson was more credible. By position? He is by far the better candidate.

28% consumption tax ?? That alone makes him perhaps the worst.

 

[VanceMack]

It goes to character. If someone condones partial birth abortion, what other evil abhorrent things do they condone?

If someone does not see a value in fighting against partial birth abortions because the fight is a lost cause, does that mean they condone partial birth abortions?

"He calls himself pro-choice, but he's well to the right of Hillary Clinton -- supporting late-term abortion bans, parental-notification laws, and opposing public funding for abortion -- and he's indicated that he'd appoint judges "who will interpret the Constitution according to its original meaning." He also believes Roe v. Wade was wrongly decided because it "expanded the reach of the Federal government into areas of society never envisioned in the Constitution." In the past, Johnson has indicated that he'd rather leave abortion policy to the states."

Johnson's position is not simple cut and dried. Neither is mine. I oppose abortion and think the cavalier manner in which we butcher 800,000 unborn children in this country alone every year is a travesty. But I dont support a ban on abortion for many reasons, first and foremost because I understand fighting the cause is a lost cause. I believe we CAN actually work to making abortions safe, legal, and rare...but that requires people far less concerned about the 'cause' (pro and against) and far more concerned about the lives involved.

 

[VanceMack]

28% consumption tax ?? That alone makes him perhaps the worst.

Reduced income taxes, increased consumption taxes, decreased government...I can see why you have a problem with his positions.

 

[Absentglare]

Reduced income taxes, increased consumption taxes, decreased government...I can see why you have a problem with his positions.

It puts a huge burden on the poor and serves as a punishment for spending money. It would be an unmitigated disaster of an economic policy.

 

[VanceMack]

It puts a huge burden on the poor and serves as a punishment for spending money. It would be an unmitigated disaster of an economic policy.

You get that consumption taxes seldom include taxes on livable goods...right? And you also understand that while that is Johnsons goal there is no way Congress makes that change? As in...no way at all?

 

[maquiscat]

It puts a huge burden on the poor and serves as a punishment for spending money. It would be an unmitigated disaster of an economic policy.

Can you show where the state's with no sales taxes are doing better than the state's with sales taxes? I believe the ideal comparisons would be income tax/no sales tax vs. sales tax/no income tax. Most states have both. IIRC, there is one state that has neither.

 

[maquiscat]

You get that consumption taxes seldom include taxes on livable goods...right? And you also understand that while that is Johnsons goal there is no way Congress makes that change? As in...no way at all?

Depending on the plan, the consumption tax might actually be on "livable goods" with a refund or "probate" for the amount of tax for basic necessities. The idea being why should people not be taxed on the food and other extras above and beyond basic necessity?

 

[countryboy]

If someone does not see a value in fighting against partial birth abortions because the fight is a lost cause, does that mean they condone partial birth abortions?

"He calls himself pro-choice, but he's well to the right of Hillary Clinton -- supporting late-term abortion bans, parental-notification laws, and opposing public funding for abortion -- and he's indicated that he'd appoint judges "who will interpret the Constitution according to its original meaning." He also believes Roe v. Wade was wrongly decided because it "expanded the reach of the Federal government into areas of society never envisioned in the Constitution." In the past, Johnson has indicated that he'd rather leave abortion policy to the states."

Johnson's position is not simple cut and dried. Neither is mine. I oppose abortion and think the cavalier manner in which we butcher 800,000 unborn children in this country alone every year is a travesty. But I dont support a ban on abortion for many reasons, first and foremost because I understand fighting the cause is a lost cause. I believe we CAN actually work to making abortions safe, legal, and rare...but that requires people far less concerned about the 'cause' (pro and against) and far more concerned about the lives involved.

It's one thing to concede the loss of a fight, it's another thing entirely to state with specificity that you condone abortion up to the point of viability.

 

[Ikari]

What Libertarian Gary Johnson believes in 2 minutes - CNN Video

The highest quality candidate running

 

[Absentglare]

You get that consumption taxes seldom include taxes on livable goods...right? And you also understand that while that is Johnsons goal there is no way Congress makes that change? As in...no way at all?

Punishing consumers is detrimental to the economy.

I am aware that there is basically no chance of passing such terrible economic policy, the problem is that when the chief executive promotes such terrible policy.

 

[Absentglare]

Can you show where the state's with no sales taxes are doing better than the state's with sales taxes? I believe the ideal comparisons would be income tax/no sales tax vs. sales tax/no income tax. Most states have both. IIRC, there is one state that has neither.

Tax on income is tax for every income generating transaction.

Tax on consumption is tax for specific, economically-healthy transactions.

A sufficiently progressive consumption tax could be reasonable.

A flat consumption tax, like the one i believe Johnson supports, would dramatically worsen the economy by further exacerbating our wealth disparity.

Putting such a crushing burden on our elderly poor is unconscionable.

 

[VanceMack]

Punishing consumers is detrimental to the economy.

I am aware that there is basically no chance of passing such terrible economic policy, the problem is that when the chief executive promotes such terrible policy.

That you see a consumption tax as punishing consumers and not an income tax as punishing consumers is very telling. It tells me you are full of ****.

 

[VanceMack]

It's one thing to concede the loss of a fight, it's another thing entirely to state with specificity that you condone abortion up to the point of viability.

Depends on your definition of condoning it, doesnt it?

And the fact that all you see is ABORTION ABORTION ABORTION and not the rest of the comments tells me that you are just another cause driven abortionist. Its all about the politics of right and wrong. You are yang to the pro abortionist yin.

 

[countryboy]

Depends on your definition of condoning it, doesnt it?

And the fact that all you see is ABORTION ABORTION ABORTION and not the rest of the comments tells me that you are just another cause driven abortionist. Its all about the politics of right and wrong. You are yang to the pro abortionist yin.

Nonsense, it means it was one glaring example of how non-republican Johnson is. I'm not going to list every single position with bullet points like some posters do. Suffice it to say, 75% of his platform is identical to the DNC platform. If you're happy with that, that's your problem. :shrug: