Gallup: Americans Hold Record Liberal Views on Most Moral Issues

[Fletch]

As a Libertarian you should support people's right to do all of those things, no matter what.

Did I say otherwise? No. But cheering the divorce rate and out of wedlock births as great leaps forward in societal evolution is nonsense.

A Liberal believes in the freedom to choose but regulations and limits are needed.

That's not true at all. You don't support choice when it comes to disagreeing with liberal orthodoxy. You want the people to be free to choose what you wish them to choose and from the menu that you choose for them to choose from. Liberalism is nothing more than a belief in a benevolent despotism. It has virtually nothing in common with libertarianism.

 

[Carjosse]

Did I say otherwise? No. But cheering the divorce rate and out of wedlock births as great leaps forward in societal evolution is nonsense. That's not true at all. You don't support choice when it comes to disagreeing with liberal orthodoxy. You want the people to be free to choose what you wish them to choose and from the menu that you choose for them to choose from. Liberalism is nothing more than a belief in a benevolent despotism. It has virtually nothing in common with libertarianism.

Because forcing two people to stay married when they don't would be so much better for everyone? Have you never heard of common-law?

Here is a comparison for you:
Libertarianism - All gambling should be legal and the government should not regulate it
Liberalism - Gambling should be legal but with regulations in place to control it harmful effects
Conservatism - Gambling is immoral so it should be banned

 

[Fletch]

Because forcing two people to stay married when they don't would be so much better for everyone? Have you never heard of common-law?

Here is a comparison for you:
Libertarianism - All gambling should be legal and the government should not regulate it
Liberalism - Gambling should be legal but with regulations in place to control it harmful effects
Conservatism - Gambling is immoral so it should be banned

I said nothing about force. I was speaking of morality. That I support the government playing no role in gambling, doesn't mean that I would personally engage in it or that gambling can not lead to personal financial ruin. As far as your comparison of gambling goes, I think you will find zero difference between liberal and conservative approaches to the issue. Very few conservatives believe gambling should be banned.

 

[MTAtech]

As an independent, I do not look at issues as right or left. Merely issues.

But if you MUST be partisan, I do not think liberals should get too high and mighty. Yes, their positions on social issues are coming their way - which is generally good.

Thanks

But their views on macroeconomics have gone COMPLETELY out of the window.

At one time (under Clinton), Democrats embraced balanced budgets and responsible government. Not anymore.
Now they have gone mad with huge deficits (as have Reps), absolutely GIGANTIC government intervention, free everything for everybody and even guaranteed incomes (which would cost trillions of dollars). And don't forget wealth re-distribution and God knows what else.
Basically, the Great Recession seems to have convinced Dem's that every time they stub their toe, fall behind with a mortgage/car payment, don't feel like working, someone says something mean to them (on PC - they are getting downright silly, imo) or an almost infinite number of other things...the government can, should and WILL make EVERYTHING better.

Meanwhile, this blissful ignorance and mountains of cheap money they are living on is stagnating the economy and creating such a fundamental mess that when it pops...the 'Great Recession' will probably seem like a fond memory.

Reps are dangerously pushing America to protectionism and war with everything plus massive deficits as well while dems are getting INCREDIBLY lazy and thin skinned and insisting on government to fix all their problems.

Both are horrible. But whereas the former might blow up in America's face. The latter WILL (eventually)...guaranteed.


I cannot think of a time since I was born where America was in more of a complete and fundamental mess than it is today.

I feel like the guy sitting in the back seat while his parents argue - trying to get their attention that we are all heading for a cliff...but they just won't listen and keep on arguing.

I think part of your response is mirror-thinking -- conservatives think that bringing down the size of government and reducing spending is a goal in itself, and therefore think that liberals must think that growing government is their goal. It's not. Liberals want government to do certain things, provide health insurance and a safety net, while encouraging political equality. The size of government isn't the issue.

During the financial crisis, revenues dropped as millions lost their jobs. That dried up spending and resulted in more people losing their jobs. Government could have done nothing and waited around for improvement but Obama and the Dems decided to boost the economy through fiscal means. At the same time the Fed decided to boost the economy with its tool, monetary policy.

 

[Dittohead not!]

When the experiment of introducing that set of opinions into law, "liberal" was usually still used in its original meaning.

Meaning open to change. Well, change was sorely needed on most of those issues fifty years ago it seems to me.

 

[Snakebite]

And you wonder why China is catching up to us. Liberals are a cancer.

 

[SCitizen]

Liberals are a cancer.

Some Liberal ideas are great. But Totalitarianism is absolutely contrary to American values.

 

[Cephus]

And you wonder why China is catching up to us. Liberals are a cancer.

Conservatives build societies, liberals tear them down.

 

[chromium]

Can someone explain to me how there's higher support for the death penalty than assisted suicide? Like what freaking sense does that make aside from indoctrination?

 

[chromium]

Conservatives build societies, liberals tear them down.

Yes, because china is very liberal when it comes to the issues on this list, whatever

 

[Snakebite]

Some Liberal ideas are great. But Totalitarianism is absolutely contrary to American values.

Liberals are cancer, period.

 

[chromium]

lol

only 36% of the population 'approves' of pornography, but closer to 90% watch it.

Right, a lot of this doesn't indicate progress at all but is still hypocritical nonsense

 

[Snakebite]

Also, where is the poll?

 

[SCitizen]

Liberals are cancer, period.

Traditional Liberalism which was not tainted by Totalitarian ideology was a great step forward for Society. The Humanitarian ideas of XVIIIth -- XIXth centuries.

 

[Snakebite]

Traditional Liberalism which was not tainted by Totalitarian ideology was a great step forward for Society. The Humanitarian ideas of XVIIIth -- XIXth centuries.

If there were a referendum to take everyone who has voted Democrat in the past 10 years and have them humanely disposed of, I would vote "yes."

Liberals are literally societal cancer. They will kill America.

 

[SCitizen]

I do not support extremism on either side.

 

[Dittohead not!]

Liberals are cancer, period.

You wouldn't know a liberal if one slapped you upside the head and said, "You have no clue!"

 

[Snakebite]

You wouldn't know a liberal if one slapped you upside the head and said, "You have no clue!"

I usually spot liberals before they open their grubby mouths.

Your home state of Mexifornia is full of them. Can you guys please secede already?

 

[Master PO]

Americans Hold Record Liberal Views on Most Moral Issues | Gallup

:doh...

 

[Snakebite]

Still wondering where the poll is.

 

[radcen]

I do not think you understand how Liberalism or Libertarianism works.

Libertarianism is not "anything goes".

 

[radcen]

lol

only 36% of the population 'approves' of pornography, but closer to 90% watch it.

I would question 90%, but I think your point is correct.

 

[radcen]

How are all those unrelated issues "liberal?"

Maybe it's liberals that have the "anything goes" mindset. :shrug:

 

[radcen]

Americans Hold Record Liberal Views on Most Moral Issues | Gallup

Kind of surprised gambling is as high as it is.

 

[trouble13]

That is laughable. Libertarianism is mostly just hardcore liberalism with a big heaping pile of selfishness thrown into it.

Liberals are just as selfish as everyone else. In some cases they are the most selfish

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