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Gabbard To Release More Obama Russiagate Files, 'Cannot Fathom' How Durham, Mueller Missed Evidence Of 'Years-Long Coup'

Knowing the levels your party will stoop in an effort to win an election,
Party membership isn’t required to be anti-Traitor Trump. You really have no excuse for not knowing this fact by now.

There are many, many millions of Americans associated with every and no political party that recognize Traitor Trump for the anti-constitution, anti-American piece of shit that he is.
Trump would be wise to pardon himself, his family, AND everyone in his cabinet just like Biden did.
Biden didn’t pardon himself, and neither can Traitor Trump.
 
I said the ICA included efforts Russia took to influence our election. Not that they had influenced it. Obama knew they hadn’t been successful which is why demanding a new one highlighting those failed efforts is so damning. He did it solely to jive nicely with what Hillary was making up. Its called a conspiracy.
What Russian efforts were in there that were changed or not true?
 

  • Presidential Discretion: While the President has broad authority, the extent to which they can disregard established procedures for declassification is a matter of ongoing debate and has not been definitively settled in court. ”
Is that another AI claim? What was the prompt? Which AI service did you use?

You just called me a liar when clearly this issue is still up in the air. The fact is that the president can declassify simply with his whim. Trump said he did this. Who the **** are you to say he isn’t allowed to do this? The courts have not ruled on it yet. So you calling me a liar is itself a lie. Your statement that every time you post it’s to correct a lie from me is another lie.

I don't remember you posting anything true.



30 agents and 15 marked vehicles. Heavily armed agents despite knowing Trump wasn’t home and secret service was fully cooperating. Jurisdiction taken from the Miami field office and the Washington office takes over lol.

Now you give me one single reason for the above other than to damage the man politically by making him look like a violent criminal.

And everything above is the truth.
That's not the truth.

You might have noticed I cited an article, but I noticed you didn't. "Heavily armed" is extremely misleading. One guy with a rifle doesn't mean heavily armed. Your post is totally exaggerated and contrary to fact.

Then why did Obama order a new one? He ordered that the new one detail all the ways Russia tried to influence our election despite being told that those efforts were unsuccessful, why? You know the answer. Obama gets put at the head of a giant conspiracy if you admit it lol.

He ordered that they be more explicit and tell the American people what Russia did. There were tons of repetitive evidence that they saw after the election that confirmed the previous assessments.

If you're griping about executive power above, then does Obama have the authority to tell the IC to tell the truth?

Every finding in the ICA is correct.

Please show me what finding or conclusion in the ICA was changed.


There simply is no other reason to order a new assessment especially considering what you just admitted, that nothing changed. Only one reason to emphasize something you know had zero effect. You know it.

The assessments didn't change. There was more verified, supporting, corroborated, obvious evidence collected after the election. Obama did his duty to tell the American people the truth.
 
He ordered that the new one detail all the ways Russia tried to influence our election despite being told that those efforts were unsuccessful, why? You know the answer.

Yes, I do know the answer. The attempt is the problem. If an attempt to interfere in the election is ok with us it will never end.

The ICA has the words "activities and intentions" in 6 headings. The intent is the crime. The ICA says they have no way to measure the effect of Putins' actions.
 
“During the 2020 election, a total of 12 states temporarily changed their policies due to the COVID-19 pandemic and mailed absentee/mail ballot applications to all registered voters
. These states were:
  • Connecticut
  • Delaware
  • Illinois
  • Iowa
  • Maryland
  • Massachusetts
  • Michigan
  • Nebraska
  • Ohio
  • Rhode Island
  • Wisconsin
  • New Mexico (by county choice)
These states reverted to their previous policies of not automatically sending out absentee/mail ballot applications by November 2022, indicating the changes in 2020 were temporary. “

Not false bud!
It false that it was many. Your list is wrong, it was 8 states & DC. And it's false that they all reverted their policies. 4 of the 8 states were doing that even before the 2020 election and all still do.


And only ONE of those states was a swing state. And no one complained about any of the others.
 
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I said the ICA included efforts Russia took to influence our election. Not that they had influenced it. Obama knew they hadn’t been successful which is why demanding a new one highlighting those failed efforts is so damning. He did it solely to jive nicely with what Hillary was making up. Its called a conspiracy.

Just to confirm, the intent is what the discuss in the ICA. They wrote that they have no way to measure the impact. The intent is the problem and that's what the ICA is about. If you said conspiracy, then you can show that Clinton was colluding with the IC.
 
Why is it a shame? It’s the past. Folks like you would refuse to believe even if there was proof. Besides it led to Trump now which is many times better than what he would have been had he won.

The only thing that comes close to a shame is that the folks responsible will never be punished and our country suffered with a brain dead retard as president for four years because of it.
<laughing>

"...even if there was proof."

"If," that's funny.

That's the reason I don't believe it, because there was no proof. Going on 5 years later and there's still no proof. And you're wrong again. I would have believed it had there been proof.
 
I don’t care except that Trump was given advice that the VP could delay it.
And if Trump was given advice he could shoot someone on fifth avenue, would you care if he did?

Oh, and again, he got advice to flip the election, making him and Pence the winner.
 

  • Presidential Discretion: While the President has broad authority, the extent to which they can disregard established procedures for declassification is a matter of ongoing debate and has not been definitively settled in court. ”

You just called me a liar when clearly this issue is still up in the air. The fact is that the president can declassify simply with his whim. Trump said he did this. Who the **** are you to say he isn’t allowed to do this? The courts have not ruled on it yet. So you calling me a liar is itself a lie. Your statement that every time you post it’s to correct a lie from me is another lie.
Yes, the president can. There is no record that Trump ever did regarding some of the documents found in his possession.
 
First please explain how I misconstrued his text. I would like YOU to explain what Strzok believed would stop Trump if he was elected. The “insurance policy” he claimed they had should he actually win.
He wasn't talking about stopping Trump if he were to win. He was talking about ensuring the investigation could be taken to its conclusion even if he won.
 
Then they should have sent a small detail of FBI to retrieve the 30 boxes discreetly so as not to cause any possible damage to his campaign. They decided that they needed to damage him politically and used tremendous numbers in an effort to convince enough imbeciles not to vote for him.

Thankfully this effort totally backfired on them. Because of them you are now forced to watch our country being led by a professional who loves our country. I know the fact that America is being made great again really upsets you but I don’t care.

You said damage his campaign? He was on campaign in August of 2022?
 
Knowing the levels your party will stoop in an effort to win an election, Trump would be wise to pardon himself, his family, AND everyone in his cabinet just like Biden did.
Sounds like a good reason to impeach him if Democrats win control of the House next year.
 
Then they should have sent a small detail of FBI to retrieve the 30 boxes discreetly so as not to cause any possible damage to his campaign. They decided that they needed to damage him politically and used tremendous numbers in an effort to convince enough imbeciles not to vote for him.

Thankfully this effort totally backfired on them. Because of them you are now forced to watch our country being led by a professional who loves our country. I know the fact that America is being made great again really upsets you but I don’t care.
Trump wasn’t running for president when Mar-a-Lago was raided.
 
Desperation are you living in reality bud? How am I desperate? Your comrades raided trumps place as if it was a drug lords compound. This caused him to win the 2024 election and made me very happy. It also has forced you to suffer 4 years of Trump as your leader. You must now watch as he repairs the damage caused by your last vote and completely destroys your woke agenda. Soon you will be watching all your comrades fighting for their freedom as they made Trump fight for his. I am as far from desperate as one can be.
Yeah, you ooze desperation. And no, the raid did not hand him the election. The way the Democratic party handled swapping out Biden for Harris did. That led to the lowest turnout of Democrats (31%) to vote for a president.
 
Keep calling it lawlessness when you know it hasn’t been decided on by a court. Trump had the authority to declassify and says he did. If he was a Democrat you would be saying the exact same thing to me. Just as you defend Biden’s felonies by saying but but he gave them back. As if returning the money to the bank absolves the robber of the robbery charge. Pathetic.
Quote me defending Biden.
 
More baseless claims. :rolleyes:
They are currently fighting him over ending the crime in Washington DC. He literally saved the life or lives of more than likely minorities and they are calling him every name in the book over it lol. First week without a single murder and somehow that’s a bad thing lol. Like I said he could cure cancer lol.


The man has ended several wars and prevented several others and the “doves” are all pissed that the man is not your traditional republican war hawk lol. The doves are fighting him as he tries to stop war and endless needless killing lol. You just can’t make this shit up.

Trump derangement syndrome is real. The man lives rent free in those tiny leftist heads lol. He owns you and your comrades.
 
They are currently fighting him over ending the crime in Washington DC. He literally saved the life or lives of more than likely minorities and they are calling him every name in the book over it lol. First week without a single murder and somehow that’s a bad thing lol. Like I said he could cure cancer lol.


The man has ended several wars and prevented several others and the “doves” are all pissed that the man is not your traditional republican war hawk lol. The doves are fighting him as he tries to stop war and endless needless killing lol. You just can’t make this shit up.

Trump derangement syndrome is real. The man lives rent free in those tiny leftist heads lol. He owns you and your comrades.
Trump Devotion Syndrome is also very real.
 
They are currently fighting him over ending the crime in Washington DC. He literally saved the life or lives of more than likely minorities and they are calling him every name in the book over it lol. First week without a single murder and somehow that’s a bad thing lol. Like I said he could cure cancer lol.


The man has ended several wars and prevented several others and the “doves” are all pissed that the man is not your traditional republican war hawk lol. The doves are fighting him as he tries to stop war and endless needless killing lol. You just can’t make this shit up.

Trump derangement syndrome is real. The man lives rent free in those tiny leftist heads lol. He owns you and your comrades.

You're still posting but you didn't answer

  • What conclusion was changed in the 2017 ICA?

  • Show some example in a citation that supports your claim that the FBI was "heavily armed" during the Maralago search.
 

  • Presidential Discretion: While the President has broad authority, the extent to which they can disregard established procedures for declassification is a matter of ongoing debate and has not been definitively settled in court. ”

You just called me a liar when clearly this issue is still up in the air. The fact is that the president can declassify simply with his whim. Trump said he did this. Who the **** are you to say he isn’t allowed to do this? The courts have not ruled on it yet. So you calling me a liar is itself a lie. Your statement that every time you post it’s to correct a lie from me is another lie.

It doesn't even matter if he had declassified them. The law says the president can keep personal possessions. Missile trajectories are not personal possessions. Classified documents are not personal items. Anything that's not a presidents personal items goes to the national archives, it's the law. Period.

Withholding a Document or Record, 18 U.S.C. §§ 1512(b)(2)(A), 2

Willful Retention of National Defense Information, 18 U.S.C. § 793(e)

Conspiracy to Obstruct Justice, 18 U.S.C. § 1512(k)

These chargers reflect that he's not in trouble because he kept them , he's in trouble because he refused to give them back and he lied about it.

It doesn't matter if he declassified the docs. The law says documents are not personal items.
 
If an attempt to interfere in the election is ok with us it will never end.
The Russians have been interfering in our elections for decades.
 
The Russians have been interfering in our elections for decades.
Seriously, you don't know how different 2016 was. The previous elections hardly involved the Internet at all. Now their propaganda goes around the world in a second. Big difference in scope and depth.
 
Seriously, you don't know how different 2016 was. The previous elections hardly involved the Internet at all. Now their propaganda goes around the world in a second. Big difference in scope and depth.
Gore did not invent the internet in 2016. 2012 was not much different.

Except Obama's hot mic moment when he leaned in the ear of then Russian President Dmitri Medvedev saying he would have more "flexibility" after the election to negotiate Missile Defense with Putin.

 
Gore did not invent the internet in 2016. 2012 was not much different.

Youre telling me that there were 3500 memes for trump on Facebook in 2012?

You want me to believe Russian trolls created thousands of fake social media accounts for Trump in 2012?

Let's ask the IC:

"Influence Effort Was Boldest Yet in the US
Russia’s effort to influence the 2016 US presidential election represented a significant escalation in directness, level of activity, and scope of effort compared to previous operations aimed at US elections. We assess the 2016 influence campaign reflected the Kremlin’s recognition of the worldwide effects that mass disclosures of US Government and other private data—such as those conducted by WikiLeaks and others—have achieved in recent years, and their understanding of the value of orchestrating such disclosures to maximize the impact of compromising information."

Tell me how you understand it better than they do. Read the report and you'll know why your post is wrong.

That's funny you said that since they've always done it, you think it's ok. They've always done it and that makes it ok?

It's not ok, You should find out what our first president said about foreign interference.

Except Obama's hot mic moment when he leaned in the ear of then Russian President Dmitri Medvedev saying he would have more "flexibility" after the election to negotiate Missile Defense with Putin.

Oh I'm sure you have some claim about what he meant. Ok sure, tell me what the media is saying he said about "flexibility".
 
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