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Gabbard To Release More Obama Russiagate Files, 'Cannot Fathom' How Durham, Mueller Missed Evidence Of 'Years-Long Coup'

Jezcoe said:
But it wasn’t leftists that did violence.

Once the violence started… why did it take him a couple of hours to do anything about it?
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I can only answer from my perspective. I offered the guard and they declined it. They can go **** themselves now. That would be my thoughts.
 
Daddyo said:
I can only answer from my perspective. I offered the guard and they declined it. They can go **** themselves now. That would be my thoughts.
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So the protection of Congress is eschewed because of ego?
 
Daddyo said:
I can only answer from my perspective. I offered the guard and they declined it. They can go **** themselves now. That would be my thoughts.
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Then your answer is wholly inadequate and backwards.

You can't say why he never called the NG that day and he refused to tell the rioters to vacate the Capitol. He sent several tweets during the riot but he refused to tell them to leave the Capitol. You can't say why he allowed the riot to continue.
 
Daddyo said:
Who did you support in 2016, 2020, and 2024 for president?
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Let me guess if I did not vote for your orange god king, I must be a ****ing liberal, right?

Ill point out that I do not want any political party group think bullshit. It's because I have been against this shit since I started voting (in the 80's). I predicted the outcome that you ignorantly voted for. Use the ****ing search function, I have never been on either team. I know that is impossible for you to understand, being in a collective and all. You will never be able to understand freethinkers, you will always go look for what to say by your cult leader. You will do Trumps biding until he dies. Then the Republican Party will implode in civil war.

You guys united the far right, but none of those shitwads get along. It reminds me of the Occupiers, whose movement imploded because the far left hate each other too. What will you do then? Vote for Trumps version of Maduro; Vance?
 
VySky said:
I think its has more to do with you voting against your best interest.
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It is of my best interest to not vote for a ****ing traitor piece of shit. MAGA are the enemy of the American people. MAGA are reduced to the hard core nutjobs as everyone sees what is behind the curtain. The more MAGA is allowed to speak, the more that MAGA loses supporters. Their days are numbered.
 
Daddyo said:
He waited three years to finally release the long form birth certificate lol. He let the questions fester when simply releasing the form would have ended it years earlier. He benefited from the issue politically lol.
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There were no questions. There was nothing on his long form, that wasn't on his short form, in regards to qualifying for the office of president.
 
Daddyo said:
I can only answer from my perspective. I offered the guard and they declined it. They can go **** themselves now. That would be my thoughts.
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Except no one declined Trump's "offer."
 
soap box said:
Six of the subtitles in the ICA include the word 'intentions". The report starts with the premise that we can't tell what the effectiveness was but we can tell what Putin was trying to do.

The assessments have zero to do with the impact of the misinformation campaign on the election. The accusations are that Putin attempted it.

Have you considered that it's impossible to determine what impact the media disinformation campaign had on the vote?



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That's not what's in the records or documents. There's no way to measure what effect it had. There's nothing in the ICA that says anything about the effect of the interference. I don't remember seeing anything in the gabbydocs about what the ICA team said about the actual effect on the outcome.



I can't say I know everything about the situation but I'm not sure you're aware of how the ICA was written. There's something missing.


Putin wanted trump to win. Putin believed Clinton would attempt to remove him from power in the form of regime change. Her opposition to Putins' goals were adamantine.

In March 2016, Russian news celebrities were openly supporting Trump’s on RT and Sputnik. 3500 Russian memes and thousands of troll farm fake social media accounts were all for Trump.

From the Mueller report:

"Internal IRA documents from February 2016 explicitly showed orders to support Trump and Bernie Sanders while criticizing Hillary Clinton.
forecast to senior [Trump] Campaign officials that WikiLeaks would release information damaging to candidate Clinton" starting in June 2016"

Trump Tower meeting email-
"(Russian individuals) had derogatory information on Clinton as "part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump."


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Name someone who thought the Dossier was credible after September 2016, or find some mention of anything in the Dossier found in the emails of the latest gabbydocs.

Is there any report or investigation with any conclusion or accusation that uses the Dossier as a source?





Obama didn't change the assessments. Instead, he demanded that they clarified the pile of repetitive examples of evidence and say what they had seen in the months of October and November that could be included with high confidence.

Everything in the ICA is true. Putin wanted trump to win. There's nothing in either the subtitles or text that blames trump either.
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Putin wanted Trump to win? That’s simply not true.

No matter how you try to look at the race from Russias point of view, you will see that Trump is a giant problem in every category. Just look at the agenda of each candidate. Then imagine which would be worse for Russia.

Hillary and the democrats war on oil would make oil prices rise or fall?

Which candidate ran on rebuilding the military?


Which candidate was opposing the Russian pipeline?

Answers

Oil would rise under Hillary and fall under Trumps drill baby drill policy. Russias oil based economy would thrive under Hillary and retract under Trump. There is no doubt which Putin would prefer.

Russia being our enemy would probably prefer that our military remain weak and no battle ready. Again no doubt Putin would prefer Hillary and a weak American military over Trump and a strong military.

Trump was opposed to signing off on the Russian pipeline. Hillary was not. Do I have to explain which benefits Russia?

My last thing is Putin himself. Putin said he preferred Trump over Clinton. The master of deception and former KGB head said Trump wanted to bring relations back to “normal”.

Do we believe the master spy and murderer OR do we trust logic and common sense? There is no way on earth that Russia wanted Trump over Clinton.
 
Slartibartfast said:
It’s a shame she couldn't get more.
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It’s a shame that some aren’t capable of comprehending just what this woman did. The TDS blinding them to the complete and utter evil that is necessary to lie in such a way as to accuse a man of rape. Just like the lying piece of shit that accused Kavanaugh of rape, this woman was just pure evil.

It’s a shame that those happy with her lying to get Trump will not themselves one day face a liar in court with so much on the line. Only fitting that they get a taste of what it is like to be falsely accused of a crime.

What she did is no different than a cop planting evidence on a suspect or a fired employee making false sexual harassment claims after being fired.
 
Daddyo said:
It’s a shame that some aren’t capable of comprehending just what this woman did. The TDS blinding them to the complete and utter evil that is necessary to lie in such a way as to accuse a man of rape. Just like the lying piece of shit that accused Kavanaugh of rape, this woman was just pure evil.

It’s a shame that those happy with her lying to get Trump will not themselves one day face a liar in court with so much on the line. Only fitting that they get a taste of what it is like to be falsely accused of a crime.

What she did is no different than a cop planting evidence on a suspect or a fired employee making false sexual harassment claims after being fired.
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I just tried to remind myself of this conversation, but realized it happened over a week ago. Enjoy your angry rant.
 
Slartibartfast said:
This whole thing happened before a lot of us realized that a portion of America was literally stupid enough to even question such a thing. Much of this delay was fueled by thinking many people were better than they turned out to be.
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Bullshit bud. The man wanted the controversy and the accusations of racism. By delaying something so ****ing simple it’s obvious.

A portion of America was dumb enough to vote for Obama to begin with so you are late to the party.
 
Daddyo said:
Bullshit bud. The man wanted the controversy and the accusations of racism. By delaying something so ****ing simple it’s obvious.

A portion of America was dumb enough to vote for Obama to begin with so you are late to the party.
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It wouldn't have been an issue if many rural folks weren't so offended at a potential black president with a funny name. That's where this whole thing starts, their being offended that people outside of their small towns and small cultures actually exist.
 
Daddyo said:
Notice that Daddyo is days behind in the thread. I already answered this one.
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You didn't answer anything.

Why did trump refuse to tell the rioters to vacate the building?

Why did Trump refuse to call the NG?


Daddyo said:
Because leftists had been violent. Trump feared for the safety of his supporters and the capitol.
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That's an answer to a question nobody asked. I didn't ask if Trump thought 10.000 Antifa were going to start a fight.

When the riot was underway, he tweeted about Mike Pence, but he refused to tell the rioters to leave the building.


Why did trump refuse to tell the rioters to vacate the building?


Why did Trump refuse to call the NG?
 
Daddyo said:
Bullshit bud. The man wanted the controversy and the accusations of racism. By delaying something so ****ing simple it’s obvious.
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Obama should never have released anything. He didn't owe the racist ****wits anything, and the fact that you're still whining about it today just proves that point completely.
 
Daddyo said:
Bullshit bud. The man wanted the controversy and the accusations of racism. By delaying something so ****ing simple it’s obvious.

A portion of America was dumb enough to vote for Obama to begin with so you are late to the party.
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And Obama dam sure will never release his college transcripts.

They are very community organizer average. 🤣
 
Slartibartfast said:
You guys have tied yourselves in a legal knot in your fervor to believe that Obama did something wrong here. You would do well to try to think through long term consequences of various SCOTUS rulings and how they be used by other parties. If the Dems win the whitehouse again, I honestly hope they act like Trump but towards conservatives so they can know how it feels to be targeted by a government.
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Sorry but your banana republic democrat comrades have already crossed the line you seem to fear. Funny that it didn’t frighten you when it was Republicans being arrested and charged.
 
soap box said:
Name someone who thought the Dossier was credible after September 2016, or find some mention of anything in the Dossier found in the emails of the latest gabbydocs.

Is there any report or investigation with any conclusion or accusation that uses the Dossier as a source?

Obama didn't change the assessments. Instead, he demanded that they clarified the pile of repetitive examples of evidence and say what they had seen in the months of October and November that could be included with high confidence.

Everything in the ICA is true. Putin wanted trump to win. There's nothing in either the subtitles or text that blames trump either.
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The FBI!

https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/pr...led-congress-on-reliability-of-steele-dossier

2018.
 
Daddyo said:
Sorry but your banana republic democrat comrades have already crossed the line you seem to fear. Funny that it didn’t frighten you when it was Republicans being arrested and charged.
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What are you even talking about?
 
soap box said:
There was not a "new "assessment.

Name one assessment that changed.
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When AI is asked if Barrack Obama ordered a new assessment…..

“Yes,
in late 2016, following the US election, the Obama administration did order a new intelligence assessment regarding the 2016 election. ”

Not surprised that you are wrong again.
 
Daddyo said:
When AI is asked if Barrack Obama ordered a new assessment…..

“Yes,
in late 2016, following the US election, the Obama administration did order a new intelligence assessment regarding the 2016 election. ”

Not surprised that you are wrong again.
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My computer can beat up your computer.


Why didn't you ask it what assessments were changed as a result of corroborrating evidence collected after the election? Like this -


Prompt -
What assessments in the 2017 ICA were changed as a result of further corroborated information after the election?



iask.ai/ -
" While the core conclusions of the ICA remained largely consistent, subsequent information and further analysis reinforced and provided additional detail for several key assessments.

The fundamental findings regarding Russian interference, including cyber operations against political parties and the use of state-run propaganda, have been consistently reaffirmed by various investigations and reports"

According to www.iAsk.Ai - Ask AI: The 2017 ICA's assessments regarding Russian efforts to influence the 2016 U.S. presidential election, particularly concerning the extent of social media manipulation and the support for the judgment that Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the influence campaign, were bolstered by further corroborated information after the election."

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Gemini -

The Senate Intelligence Committee's report on the matter, which was a bipartisan effort, largely affirmed the findings of the ICA, including the judgment on Putin's preference for Trump. The Senate report stated that the intelligence community's judgments were "well-reasoned, consistent with observed Russian behavior, and properly documented."

After the ICA's publication, further details emerged that bolstered its initial assessments.

For example:
Russian activities against state election infrastructure: The ICA pointed to initial evidence of Russian activities against multiple state and local election boards. Subsequent investigations by the Senate Intelligence Committee revealed a more extensive Russian effort to infiltrate state election infrastructure.

Internet Research Agency (IRA) activities: The ICA briefly discussed the activities of the IRA, a Russian troll farm. Further investigation exposed a far more extensive effort by the IRA to manipulate social media to sow discord and interfere in the 2016 election and American society"

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That's why I keep asking what assessment was changed. No assessment was really changed, the answer is none . The same assessments were repetitive ad nauseum, inspected and verified and Obama wanted the conclusions in the ICA. People have a right to know. Obama did the right thing.

That's why no assessment really changed. The same assessments were reinforced and the ICA needed to show just what the hell was going on with the damn ruskies.


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Btw, Ex CIA says Gabby's full o' crap, just fyi,

www.pbs.org

Ex-CIA analyst challenges Trump's attempt to discredit Russian election interference probe

The Trump administration is trying to discredit the intelligence assessment that concluded Russian President Putin ordered a campaign to interfere in the 2016 election with the intent of helping elect Trump. Contrary to almost all intelligence findings, Trump and his aides allege a conspiracy by...
www.pbs.org www.pbs.org
 
daeler said:
That is not an answer. That is misdirection. Where is the proof?

A lot more words to say "no proof"

If you have proof bring that out.
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I’ll have you a free serving of crow soon bud. Just like with every other position you have taken involving Trump lol.

The grand jury will be looking at the proof very soon.
 
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