Gabbard To Release More Obama Russiagate Files, 'Cannot Fathom' How Durham, Mueller Missed Evidence Of 'Years-Long Coup'

[soap box]

The new assessment Obama ordered gave credibility to the bullshit fake dossier

The testimony of the people in the room to the Senate Intelligence committee were quoted in their report. From their testimony it's clear that no one believed anything in the Dossier and no one thought anything in it was necessarily true.

The reason Comey pushed for its inclusion as an annex summary was he worried people would accuse the IC of hiding it or denying it. The IC argued about it on the night of December 9. The consensus compromise became that a caveat must be at the top of the page in all caps, unverified, unsourced warning etc.


"The Assistant Director also noted the FBI insisted on including the Steele reporting because "they didn't want to look like they were hiding anything,"

"The Assistant Director and her deputy reviewed the material and sent a copy to Director Brennan and Deputy Director Cohen. According to the Assistant Director, "It was very unvetted information. Some of it made sense. If you look at the theme, the Russians trying to mess with our elections, that theme is certainly accurate. But the details were really—we wouldn't be able to come up with a good analytic confidence in them before the ICA was due." Ultimately, "everybody agreed that it would just be an annex, and then it was agreed there would be a big caveat put on top of the annex, that this is totally unvetted, unverified."

https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/sites-default-files-documents-report-volume4.pdf

which was then used to deceive a FISA court into allowing surveillance of key Trump people

Not a single one of those warrants makes trump guilty, and not a single one exonerates him.

and was the basis for the special counsel being appointed.

Wow, I guess I'm glad it happened or we never would have found out about it. No, seriously, Mueller answered many questions, even if he didn't answer everything.

Trumps administration was essentially scuttled because of it.

That's a first amendment question because Clinton was a private citizen after the election. If anyone wants to direct blame it should also be shared with the media. But that's not the same issue as rewriting history to seek revenge.

 

[Nickyjo]

Bullshit…..what I remember is Gore asking the Democrat majority Florida Supreme Court to allow the counting of ballots which were legally spoiled under current law. Which was already bullshit to change the rules after the game has already been played.

“
The following are the different types of chads that were counted during the Florida recount in 2000:

• Hanging chads: These are attached to the ballot at only one corner.
• Swinging chads: These are attached at two corners.
• Tri-chads: These are attached at three corners.
• Dimpled chads: These are attached at all four corners, but bear an indentation indicating the voter may have intended to mark the ballot. Sometimes, "pregnant" is used to denote a deeper indentation than "dimpled". ”

All the above were illegal to count before the election and gore petitioned the court to have them counted.

https://www.alamy.com/file-in-this-...er-ap-photoalan-diaz-file-image508866743.html

It was an attempt to steal the election.

I repeat that I participated in a recount when analyzing such “chad things” were part of the process. I came away advising friends to make sure that chads they had punctured were not hanging, dimpled, etc.

 

[Daddyo]

Wrong. Every single thing in the ICA is still true today.

So why did Obama order a new one? The crime is in the reason he ordered a new assessment.

And he ordered it to highlight the ways Russia had attacked our election knowing that those attempts did nothing to affect the outcome but also knowing that it could be made to appear as if Russia had effected the election in favor of Trump.

You know why he ordered a new assessment you just lack the integrity to admit it knowing it would destroy your defense.

 

[Daddyo]

Yes,
If a Democrat makes false statements about election results, I will call them out on it.

Interestingly, you ask me if I am a hypocrite but provide no evidence of such. Why is that?

In the last few elections more complaining has been done by Trump and his supporters than other candidates or their supporters.

Interesting that those who won their elections don't complain about the results.

You need me to link the video of prominent democrats claiming the 2016 election was rigged?

 

[Daddyo]

No, thats me questioning again. The man had been a United States Senator, a devote Christian his whole life, had showed his birth certificate that said he was born in Hawaii and guess what Hawaii is? Part of America. There was no secrecy, just racist conspiracies of him being some manchurian, foreign born Muslim out to destroy America.

He showed a short form certificate of live birth at first. Waited three years to show the long form version and finally silencing the critics.

So why did he wait three years? He could have shut it down YEARS earlier. Did he enjoy causing controversy? Did he use the issue to make it appear as is if the racists where attacking him? It sure worked on you lol. I wanted to make sure that the man who is president is even eligible and I’m suddenly branded a racist. He had a reason and obviously it wasn’t a good one. He manipulated folks like you into attacking us for demanding more proof. A demand born from his own reluctance to release it years earlier. Allowing the issue to fester and build all so he could manipulate you and have the political issue.

Seems your king has a penchant for sneaky manipulative shit.

 

[Daddyo]

You seem upset.

Not in the slightest.

 

[Daddyo]

Hawaii is US soil.

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No shit really?

 

[VySky]

Yes,
If a Democrat makes false statements about election results, I will call them out on it.

Interestingly, you ask me if I am a hypocrite but provide no evidence of such. Why is that?

In the last few elections more complaining has been done by Trump and his supporters than other candidates or their supporters.

Interesting that those who won their elections don't complain about the results.

Hillary Clinton for one said Trump was an Illegitimate President.

"Hillary Clinton dismissed Donald Trump as an "illegitimate president" and suggested that "he knows" that he stole the 2016 presidential election in a CBS News interview to be aired on Sunday."

Hillary Clinton says Donald Trump ‘knows he’s an illegitimate president’

She also calls him ‘a corrupt human tornado’ in interview

www.independent.co.uk

Pelosi slammed for 2017 tweet claiming 2016 election was ‘hijacked’

“Our election was hijacked,” said Pelosi’s 2017 tweet, which was not censored by Twitter with a warning label as many of President Trump’s tweets questioning the 2020 election were. “There is no question. Congress has a duty to #ProtectOurDemocracy & #FollowTheFacts.”

Pelosi slammed for 2017 tweet claiming 2016 election was ‘hijacked’ - Washington Examiner

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is facing renewed criticism over a tweet from 2017 claiming that the presidential election the year before was “hijacked.”“Our election was hijacked,” said Pelosi’s 2017 tweet, which was not censored by Twitter with a warning label as many of President Trump’s tweets...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

 

[Master Debator]

He showed a short form certificate of live birth at first. Waited three years to show the long form version and finally silencing the critics.

What I'm reading is you admitting he showed an American birth certificate. Is the problem that you're just shit at critical thinking? Because I can accept that over racist. Which is it?

So why did he wait three years? He could have shut it down YEARS earlier. Did he enjoy causing controversy? Did he use the issue to make it appear as is if the racists where attacking him? It sure worked on you lol. I wanted to make sure that the man who is president is even eligible and I’m suddenly branded a racist. He had a reason and obviously it wasn’t a good one. He manipulated folks like you into attacking us for demanding more proof. A demand born from his own reluctance to release it years earlier. Allowing the issue to fester and build all so he could manipulate you and have the political issue.

Im not the one who just admitted he showed you an American birth certificate and maybe he did take some enjoyment and amusement over watching you people make fools of yourselves. I sure did and I speak for myself. Obama doesn't speak for me. In fact I think Obama was a shit president and a war criminal like most US Presidents who think it's okay to murder people in other countries for the goal of securing their natural resources for the benefit of multinational corporations. The two things can be true at the same time. Obama was a disappointing American imperialist and servant of capitalist interests and people like you were still racists who went after him for all the culture war nonsense that makes you whites feel impotent and insecure rather than the real bullshit he was up to.

Seems your king has a penchant for sneaky manipulative shit.

Seems you have a penchant for dress up and make believe.

 

[eohrnberger]

LOL So because you paid for your new car that means you conceived and designed it from scratch? Paying for something does not mean you have anything to do with the content of what you bought. Steele wrote the dossier

OK, but what you do with the car after you've bought it, say running someone over with it, the buyer is held responsible for that.
Hillary and the DNC, with the exception of a 80$k FEC fine, a pittance, were never really held accountable.

and Wikileaks is a FSB front.

Bold accusations like this require equally bold evidence.

Mueller also indicted the Russians who hacked the DNC by name.

This is questionable, given that the exfiltration of the volume of data from the DNC servers, in the time span that it was determined as being exfiltrated, was physically impossible via remote access, given the Internet speeds available at the time. Most likely, it was on the local area network, and dumped onto a USB stick.

Anything else is nothing but a ludicrous evidence conspiracy theory that you MAGA's al love to spout.

You are making this claim while at the same time as citing Maddow?

Also Trump Co. was involved in active talks for a Trump Tower in Moscow during his 2016 campaign. So yes that counts as a business venture.

This would be a great big 'So What?'

Pressed for evidence on her conspiracy theories, Gabbard falls embarrassingly short​

Fox News offered the director of national intelligence an opportunity to bolster her bizarre “treason” allegations. She responded with a big nothingburger.

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow...-tulsi-gabbard-falls-embarrassingl-rcna223693

Citing Maddow as some sort of 'source'?

No wonder to are so extremist far left, lost in the wilderness, on the verge of playing 'left out'.

 

[Jagged]

He showed a short form certificate of live birth at first. Waited three years to show the long form version and finally silencing the critics.

So why did he wait three years? He could have shut it down YEARS earlier. Did he enjoy causing controversy? Did he use the issue to make it appear as is if the racists where attacking him? It sure worked on you lol. I wanted to make sure that the man who is president is even eligible and I’m suddenly branded a racist. He had a reason and obviously it wasn’t a good one. He manipulated folks like you into attacking us for demanding more proof. A demand born from his own reluctance to release it years earlier. Allowing the issue to fester and build all so he could manipulate you and have the political issue.

Seems your king has a penchant for sneaky manipulative shit.

There was nothing wrong with him showing his short form. It was an official document provided to him by the state of Hawaii from their birth records on file and certified by their state registrar as authentic. And the only 3 pieces of information he needed were on it. His name, showing it was his, his age, showing he was at least 35 years old, and his place of birth, showing he was born in the United States.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

The coverup is being uncovered. Much like peeling an onion. The DNI Director Gabbard’s believes that there was a broad effort to coverup the evidence left in the wake from deploying the Russian Investigation hoax.

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"There is no rational or logical explanation for why they failed," she said, adding "The only logical conclusion that I can draw in this … is that there was direct intent to cover up the truth about what occurred and who was responsible and the broad network of how this seditious conspiracy was concocted and who exactly was responsible for carrying it out."

“Among other things, Gabbard's team unearthed a Sept. 12, 2016 intelligence community assessment that "foreign adversaries do not have and will probably not obtain the capabilities to successfully execute widespread and undetected cyber attacks" on election systems.”

“At the time, Russia was being accused of setting up troll farms and hacking the DNC email servers (Seth who?).”

“And of course, once legitimized by the Obama administration, a steady stream of leaks suggesting that Russia was behind Trump's 2016 victory started appearing in the Washington Post and other outlets in "sweeping and systemic fashion."

Gabbard To Release More Obama Russiagate Files, 'Cannot Fathom' How Durham, Mueller Missed Evidence Of 'Years-Long Coup' | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

Weeks later: Still not working…

Release the Epstein files.

 

[soap box]

So why did Obama order a new one? The crime is in the reason he ordered a new assessment.

And he ordered it to highlight the ways Russia had attacked our election knowing that those attempts did nothing to affect the outcome but also knowing that it could be made to appear as if Russia had effected the election in favor of Trump.

You know why he ordered a new assessment you just lack the integrity to admit it knowing it would destroy your defense.

If you could specify which assessment point was changed then I'll agree.

This belief in Gabbygate likes to portray the IC as a group that always agrees on everything all the time. That's not realistic because a team can agree on the facts and merits and still disagree on their interpretation. The Senate Intelligence committee report revealed that the IC argued about this ICA but it came to a consensus.


The events themselves are complicated. Election interference in 2016 is a murky multi-pronged mess. That's where the reason starts.
The reason for an "new" ICA (there was only one) was to consolidate, clarify and incorporate what they saw and include what had a high level of confidence, with notes of when an agency deemed it to be moderate confidence on two points. There was new information throughout October and November that reinforced what they already believed. Why would you want them to ignore new corroborated Intel?

Or show me what assessment changed.

 

[eohrnberger]

Ah, see, there’s that word “seem” parallel to your phrase “looks like.” I’ve written nothing to support your “seem” allegation. I wrote nothing to support “want to sweep all that under the rug.”

OK.

Asking for evidence to support your perception, “looks like” “appears” and “seems” of reality isn’t to be confused with “sweep all that under the rug.” Oh the travesty and unfathomable horror of anyone asking for supporting evidence for your lens of reality.

You are apparently unaware of the recently, and continuing, declassification and publication of related documents which are supporting the premise.

So what? And the earth appears flat. An “appearance” doesn’t necessarily protray reality or anything factual. The invocation of “appearances” allows people to make any assortment of potentially vacuous, misleading, false, claims.

The hope is you had some more substantive other than your mere perception of the situation.

As addressed above.

A fantastic summation of the claims, assertions, made by Trump, his acolytes, his supporters, some members of Congress, etc…regurgitated ad nauseum by News Max, Fox News, and other right wing sources.

Odd that you'd badly mischaracterize the declassified and made public of related documents by the DNI as being 'ad nauseum by News Max, Fox News, and other right wing sources.'
But I get it. Parroting the issued and demanded left wing push narrative, in the hopes that this becomes the adopted 'truth' by public opinion by the mere fact of drowning out anything to the contrary.

Very relevant and a good analogy…

Opinions differ on that.

your “looks like” is as persuasive as the earth “looks like” it’s flat.

So, at the time of your post there isn’t evidence for your allegations or to move from your “looks like” to a stronger position.

Again, the declassified and made public of related documents by the DNI, as well as multiple threads here picking it all apart and discussing them.

 

[mike2810]

You need me to link the video of prominent democrats claiming the 2016 election was rigged?

Answering question with questions. Typical method to avoid being able to back up what is posted.
You can figure out what I asked. If not, pretty much means you got nothing.

 

[mike2810]

Hillary Clinton for one said Trump was an Illegitimate President.

"Hillary Clinton dismissed Donald Trump as an "illegitimate president" and suggested that "he knows" that he stole the 2016 presidential election in a CBS News interview to be aired on Sunday."

Hillary Clinton says Donald Trump ‘knows he’s an illegitimate president’

She also calls him ‘a corrupt human tornado’ in interview

www.independent.co.uk

Pelosi slammed for 2017 tweet claiming 2016 election was ‘hijacked’

“Our election was hijacked,” said Pelosi’s 2017 tweet, which was not censored by Twitter with a warning label as many of President Trump’s tweets questioning the 2020 election were. “There is no question. Congress has a duty to #ProtectOurDemocracy & #FollowTheFacts.”

Pelosi slammed for 2017 tweet claiming 2016 election was ‘hijacked’ - Washington Examiner

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is facing renewed criticism over a tweet from 2017 claiming that the presidential election the year before was “hijacked.”“Our election was hijacked,” said Pelosi’s 2017 tweet, which was not censored by Twitter with a warning label as many of President Trump’s tweets...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Thanks for a reply with sources.
Does that dismiss what Trump has said about the elections of being rigged/stolen?

Did Hilary, Pelosi, or any Democrat challenge the 2016 vote in court like Trump has for the 2020 election?
Did they demand "forensic audits" like Trump supporters did? For example the Cyber Ninjas Arizona/Phoenix audit.

 

[VySky]

Thanks for a reply with sources.
Does that dismiss what Trump has said about the elections of being rigged/stolen?

Did Hilary, Pelosi, or any Democrat challenge the 2016 vote in court like Trump has for the 2020 election?
Did they demand "forensic audits" like Trump supporters did? For example the Cyber Ninjas Arizona/Phoenix audit.

So its time to move the goal post I see.

 

[mike2810]

So its time to move the goal post I see.

So, I see it's time to avoid answering questions.

 

[soap box]

Hillary Clinton for one said Trump was an Illegitimate President.

"Hillary Clinton dismissed Donald Trump as an "illegitimate president" and suggested that "he knows" that he stole the 2016 presidential election in a CBS News interview to be aired on Sunday."

Hillary Clinton says Donald Trump ‘knows he’s an illegitimate president’

She also calls him ‘a corrupt human tornado’ in interview

www.independent.co.uk

Pelosi slammed for 2017 tweet claiming 2016 election was ‘hijacked’

“Our election was hijacked,” said Pelosi’s 2017 tweet, which was not censored by Twitter with a warning label as many of President Trump’s tweets questioning the 2020 election were. “There is no question. Congress has a duty to #ProtectOurDemocracy & #FollowTheFacts.”

Pelosi slammed for 2017 tweet claiming 2016 election was ‘hijacked’ - Washington Examiner

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is facing renewed criticism over a tweet from 2017 claiming that the presidential election the year before was “hijacked.”“Our election was hijacked,” said Pelosi’s 2017 tweet, which was not censored by Twitter with a warning label as many of President Trump’s tweets...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

First Amendment

 

[VySky]

First Amendment

Yep

 

[iguanaman]

OK, but what you do with the car after you've bought it, say running someone over with it, the buyer is held responsible for that.
Hillary and the DNC, with the exception of a 80$k FEC fine, a pittance, were never really held accountable.


Bold accusations like this require equally bold evidence.


This is questionable, given that the exfiltration of the volume of data from the DNC servers, in the time span that it was determined as being exfiltrated, was physically impossible via remote access, given the Internet speeds available at the time. Most likely, it was on the local area network, and dumped onto a USB stick.


You are making this claim while at the same time as citing Maddow?


This would be a great big 'So What?'


Citing Maddow as some sort of 'source'?

No wonder to are so extremist far left, lost in the wilderness, on the verge of playing 'left out'.

WikiLeaks Turned Down Leaks on Russian Government During U.S. Presidential Campaign​

The leak organization ignored damaging information on the Kremlin to focus on Hillary Clinton and election-related hacks.​

In the summer of 2016, as WikiLeaks was publishing documents from Democratic operatives allegedly obtained by Kremlin-directed hackers, Julian Assange turned down a large cache of documents related to the Russian government, according to chat messages and a source who provided the records.

WikiLeaks declined to publish a wide-ranging trove of documents — at least 68 gigabytes of data — that came from inside the Russian Interior Ministry, according to partial chat logs reviewed by Foreign Policy.

In fact Wikileaks has never published any damaging info about the Russian Federation one of the most corrupt Govts. on earth. Does that give you a clue?

WikiLeaks Turned Down Leaks on Russian Government During U.S. Presidential Campaign

The leak organization ignored damaging information on the Kremlin to focus on Hillary Clinton and election-related hacks.

foreignpolicy.com

I will not comment on that ridiculous CT about the Russian hacking of the DNC. It is as foolish as saying the DNC servers are in Ukraine.

 

[Jagged]

Yep

Let the forum know when Hillary inspires her followers to storm the Capitol. Viva la revolucIón!

 

[iguanaman]

Hillary Clinton for one said Trump was an Illegitimate President.

"Hillary Clinton dismissed Donald Trump as an "illegitimate president" and suggested that "he knows" that he stole the 2016 presidential election in a CBS News interview to be aired on Sunday."

Hillary Clinton says Donald Trump ‘knows he’s an illegitimate president’

She also calls him ‘a corrupt human tornado’ in interview

www.independent.co.uk

Pelosi slammed for 2017 tweet claiming 2016 election was ‘hijacked’

“Our election was hijacked,” said Pelosi’s 2017 tweet, which was not censored by Twitter with a warning label as many of President Trump’s tweets questioning the 2020 election were. “There is no question. Congress has a duty to #ProtectOurDemocracy & #FollowTheFacts.”

Pelosi slammed for 2017 tweet claiming 2016 election was ‘hijacked’ - Washington Examiner

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi is facing renewed criticism over a tweet from 2017 claiming that the presidential election the year before was “hijacked.”“Our election was hijacked,” said Pelosi’s 2017 tweet, which was not censored by Twitter with a warning label as many of President Trump’s tweets...

www.washingtonexaminer.com

There is plenty of data that suggest that the Russian disinformation campaign swayed enough Bernie supporters to vote for Trump that it won the EC for Trump. The number of Bernie supporters that voted for Trump in the 3 Blue States was less than his margins of victory in those states. Did you know that Trump was elected by Socialists in 2016?

Bernie Sanders Voters Helped Trump Win and Here's Proof​

Bernie Sanders supporters switched their allegiance to Donald Trump in large enough numbers last November to sway the election for the real estate billionaire, according to an analysis of voter data released Tuesday by the blog Political Wire. Since Trump's shock victory over Hillary Clinton, much discussion has focused on the degree to which passionate Sanders supporters' refusal to embrace Clinton led to the Republican winding up in the White House.

https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-trump-2016-election-654320

 

[eohrnberger]

WikiLeaks Turned Down Leaks on Russian Government During U.S. Presidential Campaign​

The leak organization ignored damaging information on the Kremlin to focus on Hillary Clinton and election-related hacks.​

In the summer of 2016, as WikiLeaks was publishing documents from Democratic operatives allegedly obtained by Kremlin-directed hackers, Julian Assange turned down a large cache of documents related to the Russian government, according to chat messages and a source who provided the records.

WikiLeaks declined to publish a wide-ranging trove of documents — at least 68 gigabytes of data — that came from inside the Russian Interior Ministry, according to partial chat logs reviewed by Foreign Policy.

In fact Wikileaks has never published any damaging info about the Russian Federation one of the most corrupt Govts. on earth. Does that give you a clue?

Actually, there's no clue there, no evidence either, there's only your innuendo that WikiLeaks is an FSB front. There may be lots of reasons why "Julian Assange turned down a large cache of documents related to the Russian government", if that has even been proven as a factual statement.

WikiLeaks Turned Down Leaks on Russian Government During U.S. Presidential Campaign

The leak organization ignored damaging information on the Kremlin to focus on Hillary Clinton and election-related hacks.

foreignpolicy.com

I will not comment on that ridiculous CT about the Russian hacking of the DNC. It is as foolish as saying the DNC servers are in Ukraine.

 

[Nickyjo]

So why did Obama order a new one? The crime is in the reason he ordered a new assessment.

And he ordered it to highlight the ways Russia had attacked our election knowing that those attempts did nothing to affect the outcome but also knowing that it could be made to appear as if Russia had effected the election in favor of Trump.

You know why he ordered a new assessment you just lack the integrity to admit it knowing it would destroy your defense.

The facts as I remember and understood them are that 1- Trump asked Russia to get involved in some way (“Russia, if you’re listening…”), 2- Russia did, per US intelligence agencies. 3- It didn’t swing the election. 4- Trump, not believing US intelligence, said he asked Putin who denied it.