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Gabbard To Release More Obama Russiagate Files, 'Cannot Fathom' How Durham, Mueller Missed Evidence Of 'Years-Long Coup'


A statute of limitations is any law that bars claims after a certain period of time passes after an injury. The period of time varies depending on the jurisdiction and the type of claim.
“Whether the statute of limitations can be extended in any potential case involving James Clapper would depend on the specific charges, the applicable statutes, and whether any of the recognized exceptions or tolling provisions apply. This is a complex legal area, and the outcome would depend on the specific facts and legal arguments presented in a court of law. ”

There are specific reasons that the SOL can be extended. I used Clappers crime as an example. As you can see it is possible to extend the time.
 
You mean like Trump did when he tried flipping the election he lost using fake electors.
Get it right at least…..he tried delaying the certification to allow more time to investigate how that sorry broke down mental train wreck and certified hair sniffing creeper, Joe Biden, got 81,000,000 idiots to vote for him.
 
On what basis are you, “Pretty sure she has both”? Did she or someone acting on her beahlf give you a sneak leak through Signal?
No. She released a document that showed Obama ordered a new assessment. No reason to order a new assessment that includes the ways Russia did try to influence our election other than politics to damage Trump.

This issue has made its way to a grand jury. We shall soon see.
 
Why would him holding an event where he gathers his supporters there and tell them to march on the Capitol go bad?

Why would he even do that if he thought that things could go wrong?
He wasn’t preparing for his supporters to go shitty. To that point in time there were zero riot or violence issues from conservatives. There was tons of problems with leftist filth pieces of shit. Including leftists attacking and even killing conservatives and them destroying government property. So he was preparing for YOUR comrades bud not his supporters.
 
Sure, if you and the rest of us ignore the portion of the meaning “overthrow a government.” Obama didn’t act to “overthrow a government,” neither did attempt to “overthrow a government.”

It is entirely explicable why you couldn’t conceive of a historical example of “overthrow a government” without “overt force or violence” as this transpired many millennia ago. One only need to enter the months of January and February of 1861 in their Delorean and discover the “overthrow” of the U.S. Constitution and federal government for no less than 8 Southern states from December 1860 through February of 1861 without any violence, force, armed conflict.

Obama’s actions do not remotely come close to “overthrow” the U.S. Constitution or federal government, we as Americans know from history what this kind of “overthrow” looks like.
If it’s ok IYO to do what Obama did then perhaps we should use the government that we now control to frame democrats. Fair is fair.
 
No. She released a document that showed Obama ordered a new assessment. No reason to order a new assessment that includes the ways Russia did try to influence our election other than politics to damage Trump.

This issue has made its way to a grand jury. We shall soon see.
If I had time, I'd like to revive every possible thread in which some Mad Lib nattered about how treasonous Trump was to express doubt of the intelligence agencies at Helsinki, just to laugh at how pathetic those posters look in the light of these revelations.
 
He wasn’t preparing for his supporters to go shitty. To that point in time there were zero riot or violence issues from conservatives. There was tons of problems with leftist filth pieces of shit. Including leftists attacking and even killing conservatives and them destroying government property. So he was preparing for YOUR comrades bud not his supporters.
This is why find the whole flex that Trump wanted National Guard there so strange then.

It wasn’t leftists that attacked the Capitol and rioted.. it was Trump’s supporters.

So if the reason he wanted National Guard there was because of violent leftists and the violent leftists never showed up it makes it even worse that he sat on his hands for a couple of hours and refused to do anything about his supporters trashing the place.
 
It requires a whole lot of lying to defend trump, doesn't it?
Just like a proper rebuttal requires listing at least a little of that whole lot of lying. So I demand that you list the lies I used to defend Trump or retract YOUR lie.
 
“Whether the statute of limitations can be extended in any potential case involving James Clapper would depend on the specific charges, the applicable statutes, and whether any of the recognized exceptions or tolling provisions apply. This is a complex legal area, and the outcome would depend on the specific facts and legal arguments presented in a court of law. ”

There are specific reasons that the SOL can be extended. I used Clappers crime as an example. As you can see it is possible to extend the time.
What's the crime?
 
Get it right at least…..he tried delaying the certification to allow more time to investigate how that sorry broke down mental train wreck and certified hair sniffing creeper, Joe Biden, got 81,000,000 idiots to vote for him.
That's a maga lie. While it's true he did try to delay the election by having Pence send slates back to the states, that scheme was independent of his fake electors scheme, which was to have him declared the winner of the 2020 election on 1/6/20.
 
No. She released a document that showed Obama ordered a new assessment. No reason to order a new assessment that includes the ways Russia did try to influence our election other than politics to damage Trump.

This issue has made its way to a grand jury. We shall soon see.
Of course there was a reason to compile a new assessment. More data comes in and needs to be assessed is one reason. Categorizing everything that took place during the previous year, so that Trump couldn't bastardize the historical record is another.
 
No I can't see that a report written by a former MI6 agent and expert on Russia is a "trick" started by Hillary. What does this have to do with Hillary?
Umm, Hillary's campaign and the DNC paid Fusion GPS to obtain the Steel Dossier. How could you not know this?

It was Steele that released the report and pushed the CIA to investigate further based on his "raw data".
In a related thread of the same topic,

Shows the timeline, and miracle upon miracles, the previous position of “Foreign adversaries did not use cyberattacks on election infrastructure to alter the US Presidential election outcome” changed “based on some new guidance.” to Russia used “cyber means” to influence “the outcome of the election.”

Also there is no evidence that Russia has ever interfered in any other election to the extent they did in 2016.
Is there evidence or support that the Russian meddling in this election, as they have since before the onset of the Cold War, was the greatest extent of their meddling in all other elections? Show your work.

The use of a FSB front to release stolen emails from the DNC on the eve of the convention was truly spectacular
This a suspect accusation. It flies in the face of physics, and the reality of Internet connection speeds possible and commercially available then.

BOMBSHELL: NSA Experts Say DNC 'Hack' Was Actually a Leak and Inside Job

The claim that the DNC was hacked by Russian intelligence and the pilfered data exfiltrated across the Internet flies in the face of the facts above.

and Trump constant praise for WiKileaks sure looks like collusion to me.
Of course it does, being that this confirms your existing bias.

 
Umm, Hillary's campaign and the DNC paid Fusion GPS to obtain the Steel Dossier. How could you not know this?


In a related thread of the same topic,

Shows the timeline, and miracle upon miracles, the previous position of “Foreign adversaries did not use cyberattacks on election infrastructure to alter the US Presidential election outcome” changed “based on some new guidance.” to Russia used “cyber means” to influence “the outcome of the election.”


Is there evidence or support that the Russian meddling in this election, as they have since before the onset of the Cold War, was the greatest extent of their meddling in all other elections? Show your work.


This a suspect accusation. It flies in the face of physics, and the reality of Internet connection speeds possible and commercially available then.

BOMBSHELL: NSA Experts Say DNC 'Hack' Was Actually a Leak and Inside Job

The claim that the DNC was hacked by Russian intelligence and the pilfered data exfiltrated across the Internet flies in the face of the facts above.


Of course it does, being that this confirms your existing bias.
There is nothing unusual about a candidate paying for opposition research and it was Republicans that started paying to find dirt on Trump. Again what does that have to do with Hillary? There was never a different position on Russia attacks on election infrastructure which has nothing to do with the hacking of the DNC and releasing damaging email through their Wikileaks front on the eve of the DNC convention. It also has nothing to do with Putin's hiring 100's of trolls posing as Americans to convince voters to switch their votes to Trump. Did you think the Mueller report and the bipartisan Senate report are being questioned by this ridiculous scam that Gabbard is running? Hardly. tThe evidence contained in those reports is ironclad. Trump's strange association with Russian spies started in 2015 when our allies caught Trump associate talking with known Russian spies and informed the FBI and CIA. That was long before the Steele dossier.

British spies were first to spot Trump team's links with Russia

Britain’s spy agencies played a crucial role in alerting their counterparts in Washington to contacts between members of Donald Trump’s campaign team and Russian intelligence operatives, the Guardian has been told.

GCHQ first became aware in late 2015 of suspicious “interactions” between figures connected to Trump and known or suspected Russian agents, a source close to UK intelligence said. This intelligence was passed to the US as part of a routine exchange of information, they added.

Over the next six months, until summer 2016, a number of western agencies shared further information on contacts between Trump’s inner circle and Russians, sources said.

The European countries that passed on electronic intelligence – known as sigint – included Germany, Estonia and Poland. Australia, a member of the “Five Eyes” spying alliance that also includes the US, UK, Canada and New Zealand, also relayed material, one source
said.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/13/british-spies-first-to-spot-trump-team-links-russia
 
Florida had no such Covid restrictions back then. Biden, milking the Covid issue, had a drive up rally here in Tampa. Turnout was a ****ing joke and this city is blue as hell.

Traditionally totally democrat groups moved from Biden in good numbers. Numbers that ordinarily spell defeat to the Democrat candidate.

Year. Total vote in millions.

2004 121 million
2008 127 million (Obama on ticket)
2012 127 million
2016 129 million
2020 156 million (mail in ballots thru the roof)
2024 152 million

27,000,000 million vote spike lol.

I have slightly different total votes cast for President nationwide.

Nationwide votes cast for President:

2004 122.3 million
2008 131.3 million
2012 129.1 million
2016 136.67 million
2020 158.43 million
2024 155.24 million

Nationwide voter turnout decreased by about 2.2 million votes from 2008 to 2012. Nationwide voter turnout increased by nearly 22 million votes from 2016 to 2020. Nationwide voter turnout decreased by a little over 3 million votes from 2020 to 2024. Non-battleground state California saw about 1.65 million less votes cast for President from 2020 to 2024. When excluding California, votes cast for President decreased by about 1.55 million votes from 2020 to 2024.
Voter turnout increased within the swing states of Georgia, Pennsylvania, Nevada, Michigan and Wisconsin from 2020 to 2024. Both Harris and Trump in 2024 received more votes than Biden in 2020 within the swing states of Georgia, Nevada and Wisconsin.
 
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Just like a proper rebuttal requires listing at least a little of that whole lot of lying. So I demand that you list the lies I used to defend Trump or retract YOUR lie.

31 counts of retaining and failing to deliver national defense documents under the Espionage Act.

Trump said he declassified the Docs.
If you also remember correctly Trump was visited by law enforcement and asked to put a lock on the closet door as negotiations continued.

And please show me in the law were it says returning the document quickly absolves you of the felony for taking and possessing it.

And both men had zero right to have those documents when taken. Trump had the right to have them in the first place as President. He argued that he declassified them as he was taking them.

Returning the documents is legal if a president returns the documents. Trump didn't.

Both men had zero right,

trump had the right,

he argued he had declassified them.
 
There is nothing unusual about a candidate paying for opposition research and it was Republicans that started paying to find dirt on Trump. Again what does that have to do with Hillary?
The Hillary campaign and the DNC paid for the 'opposition research' which turned out to be the Steele Dossier.
That you are claiming this has nothing to do with Hillary has no credibility.

There was never a different position on Russia attacks on election infrastructure
You are just restating the narrative you are pushing. My post which you quoted clearly showed the change in stance. Are you not reading the posts you quote?

which has nothing to do with the hacking of the DNC and releasing damaging email through their Wikileaks front on the eve of the DNC convention.
This a side bar to Obama's demanded change in the IC's position, as I've shown. As I've also shown, specific to this point, the volume of the data could physically not be transferred in the time it was via the Internet and remote hacking. Based on the speed of this data transfer, it looks to be a USB stick and an inside job.

Has WikiLeaks confirmed their source of those emails and documents?

It also has nothing to do with Putin's hiring 100's of trolls posing as Americans to convince voters to switch their votes to Trump.
The Russians have changed their election meddling tools. Reading others intent doesn't have any accuracy, so yet more narrative pushing here.

Did you think the Mueller report and the bipartisan Senate report are being questioned by this ridiculous scam that Gabbard is running?
The change in the IC's position and what led up that change which Gabbard brought to light in her declassified document isn't a 'scam', no matter how much you want to push that narrative.

Hardly. tThe evidence contained in those reports is ironclad. Trump's strange association with Russian spies started in 2015 when our allies caught Trump associate talking with known Russian spies and informed the FBI and CIA. That was long before the Steele dossier.
Was the Trump Organization engaged in business ventures in Russia, or not?

British spies were first to spot Trump team's links with Russia

Britain’s spy agencies played a crucial role in alerting their counterparts in Washington to contacts between members of Donald Trump’s campaign team and Russian intelligence operatives, the Guardian has been told.

GCHQ first became aware in late 2015 of suspicious “interactions” between figures connected to Trump and known or suspected Russian agents, a source close to UK intelligence said. This intelligence was passed to the US as part of a routine exchange of information, they added.

Over the next six months, until summer 2016, a number of western agencies shared further information on contacts between Trump’s inner circle and Russians, sources said.


The European countries that passed on electronic intelligence – known as sigint – included Germany, Estonia and Poland. Australia, a member of the “Five Eyes” spying alliance that also includes the US, UK, Canada and New Zealand, also relayed material, one source
said.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/13/british-spies-first-to-spot-trump-team-links-russia
 
If trump hadnt kept the docs ,there wouldn't have been a search. The search was legal, warrant and all. The search can't possibly erase what trump did.
Trump claimed to have declassified the documents. He was in negotiations with the government. They had already visited his home and even asked that he padlock the closet. Then they decided to go get the documents. This is the part that clearly proves that this was all politically motivated and an attempt to eliminate Trump from running for president. Your comrades (the FBI back then) contacted secret service (guarding trumps home) confirming that Trump was not home. Then they told SS they would be coming to get the documents. SS expressed complete compliance with the FBI. Now here is the tell. The FBI shows up in full force as if they were raiding a drug cartel compound. Knowing that only fellow Law Enforcement is home and has already agreed to comply they still make a giant show in an attempt to make Trump look like a criminal.

Another “tell” is that the FBI pulled the Trump case from the Miami field office with jurisdiction and gave it to the Washington field office.

Biden OTOH had documents he was never allowed to have, a felony. Biden shared top secret information with his publicist, another felony. The FBI goes in to recover said documents with one unmarked vehicle nice and quiet like. And before you try saying that Biden called them to return the documents voluntarily let’s not forget the FBI knew Trump wasn’t home and the secret service agents guarding his home had been notified and totally cooperative. There was zero threat to the FBI yet they came with a giant display for Trump.


Trumps prosecution was finally dismissed. Biden was investigated and found to have been guilty by Robert Hur. Felonies many felonies. 25-30 documents and sharing it with his ghostwriter which is 26-31 felony counts. All dismissed because it’s Biden, a Democrat.


The raid on Mar A Lago backfired. It got Trump reelected. When I saw police raiding his home like it was a drug cartel compound, I changed my support from Ron DeSantis back to Trump. Millions of Americans did similar.
 
Hillary Clinton did not use Bleach bit to wipe the servers.

When the facts of what happened are stripped from the event it becomes a set of magic words to be repeated without context in order to turn off all rationality when it comes to Trump.
She used it to wipe her emails and any trace of those emails from the server. I posted evidence from the FBI proving it.

Play your games with someone else bud.
 
Trump claimed to have declassified the documents. He was in negotiations with the government. They had already visited his home and even asked that he padlock the closet. Then they decided to go get the documents. This is the part that clearly proves that this was all politically motivated and an attempt to eliminate Trump from running for president. Your comrades (the FBI back then) contacted secret service (guarding trumps home) confirming that Trump was not home. Then they told SS they would be coming to get the documents. SS expressed complete compliance with the FBI. Now here is the tell. The FBI shows up in full force as if they were raiding a drug cartel compound. Knowing that only fellow Law Enforcement is home and has already agreed to comply they still make a giant show in an attempt to make Trump look like a criminal.

Another “tell” is that the FBI pulled the Trump case from the Miami field office with jurisdiction and gave it to the Washington field office.

Biden OTOH had documents he was never allowed to have, a felony. Biden shared top secret information with his publicist, another felony. The FBI goes in to recover said documents with one unmarked vehicle nice and quiet like. And before you try saying that Biden called them to return the documents voluntarily let’s not forget the FBI knew Trump wasn’t home and the secret service agents guarding his home had been notified and totally cooperative. There was zero threat to the FBI yet they came with a giant display for Trump.


Trumps prosecution was finally dismissed. Biden was investigated and found to have been guilty by Robert Hur. Felonies many felonies. 25-30 documents and sharing it with his ghostwriter which is 26-31 felony counts. All dismissed because it’s Biden, a Democrat.


The raid on Mar A Lago backfired. It got Trump reelected. When I saw police raiding his home like it was a drug cartel compound, I changed my support from Ron DeSantis back to Trump. Millions of Americans did similar.
You're wrong, and off topic, start a new thread and I'll tell you why.
 
She used it to wipe her emails and any trace of those emails from the server. I posted evidence from the FBI proving it.

Play your games with someone else bud.
Hillary Clinton did no such thing.

A tech at Platte River Networks did it because he forgot to set the email server to auto delete emails after thirty days like he was instructed to and when the order to preserve emails came from Clinton's lawyers because of the subpoena he panicked and tried to delete the emails on his own. No one instructed the tech to do this... this was done on his own in order to cover his ass for failing to do his job.

You can't even get the details of the story correct.

But it isn't about the details.

It is about the word... because the word is magic. It is used in repetition to shut down any and all rational thought when it comes to being critical of Trump.
 
If trump hadnt kept the docs ,there wouldn't have been a search. The search was legal, warrant and all. The search can't possibly erase what trump did.
Trump claimed to have declassified the documents. He was in negotiations with the government. They had already visited his home and even asked that he padlock the closet. Then they decided to go get the documents. This is the part that clearly proves that this was all politically motivated and an attempt to eliminate Trump from running for president. Your comrades (the FBI back then) contacted secret service (guarding trumps home) confirming that Trump was not home. Then they told SS they would be coming to get the documents. SS expressed complete compliance with the FBI. Now here is the tell. The FBI shows up in full force as if they were raiding a drug cartel compound. Knowing that only fellow Law Enforcement is home and has already agreed to comply they still make a giant show in an attempt to make Trump look like a criminal.

Another “tell” is that the FBI pulled the Trump case from the Miami field office with jurisdiction and gave it to the Washington field office.

Biden OTOH had documents he was never allowed to have, a felony. Biden shared top secret information with his publicist, another felony. The FBI goes in to recover said documents with one unmarked vehicle nice and quiet like. And before you try saying that Biden called them to return the documents voluntarily let’s not forget the FBI knew Trump wasn’t home and the secret service agents guarding his home had been notified and totally cooperative. There was zero threat to the FBI yet they came with a giant display for Trump.


Trumps prosecution was finally dismissed. Biden was investigated and found to have been guilty by Robert Hur. Felonies many felonies. 25-30 documents and sharing it with his ghostwriter which is 26-31 felony counts. All dismissed because it’s Biden, a Democrat.


The raid on Mar A Lago backfired. It got Trump reelected.
 
Trump claimed to have declassified the documents. He was in negotiations with the government. They had already visited his home and even asked that he padlock the closet. Then they decided to go get the documents. This is the part that clearly proves that this was all politically motivated and an attempt to eliminate Trump from running for president. Your comrades (the FBI back then) contacted secret service (guarding trumps home) confirming that Trump was not home. Then they told SS they would be coming to get the documents. SS expressed complete compliance with the FBI. Now here is the tell. The FBI shows up in full force as if they were raiding a drug cartel compound. Knowing that only fellow Law Enforcement is home and has already agreed to comply they still make a giant show in an attempt to make Trump look like a criminal.

Another “tell” is that the FBI pulled the Trump case from the Miami field office with jurisdiction and gave it to the Washington field office.

Biden OTOH had documents he was never allowed to have, a felony. Biden shared top secret information with his publicist, another felony. The FBI goes in to recover said documents with one unmarked vehicle nice and quiet like. And before you try saying that Biden called them to return the documents voluntarily let’s not forget the FBI knew Trump wasn’t home and the secret service agents guarding his home had been notified and totally cooperative. There was zero threat to the FBI yet they came with a giant display for Trump.


Trumps prosecution was finally dismissed. Biden was investigated and found to have been guilty by Robert Hur. Felonies many felonies. 25-30 documents and sharing it with his ghostwriter which is 26-31 felony counts. All dismissed because it’s Biden, a Democrat.


The raid on Mar A Lago backfired. It got Trump reelected.

Gabbard to release more Obama Russiagate Files. It's at the top of the page.

While you're here, what assessments did Obama change?
 
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